Coincidences

[freshwater]

I always thought that if a Santa fam member was involved it was someone else who actually did the killing for them(and in this case I bet there's a tape or something out there).They (Santas) were only the masterminds.Pretty creepy that JB was killed so soon after J.McR first met her,she definitely loves to talk about JB and how (she thinks) JB was and was not.I find their TV appearances really weird.

Madeleine, are you saying you think there could be a JB "snuff" film floating out there somewhere? Now that would be a bombshell. Really sick stuff, but a bombshell regardless.

 

[Roy23]

I always thought that if a Santa fam member was involved it was someone else who actually did the killing for them(and in this case I bet there's a tape or something out there).They (Santas) were only the masterminds.Pretty creepy that JB was killed so soon after J.McR first met her,she definitely loves to talk about JB and how (she thinks) JB was and was not.I find their TV appearances really weird.

I have to wonder if you are right about some of this. I don't believe everything I read but even the Santa's would have to know they would be suspects after the book. This is the epitomy of a coincidence.

 

[MurriFlower]

J MCr was also a movie critic right?

Apparently so.

It appears she may have been 'married' previously, she also wrote under a pseudonym (or it may have been her maiden name).

I have a great desire. By Jan Stephen, pseud. of Doris Janet Ballew McReynolds
Type of Work:
Non-dramatic literary work
Registration Number / Date:
A00000478726 / 1960-12-23
RE0000394797 / 1988-09-12
Title:
I have a great desire. By Jan Stephen, pseud. of Doris Janet Ballew McReynolds.
Variant title:
I have a great desire
Copyright Claimant:
Doris Janet McReynolds (A)
Names:
Doris Janet Ballew McReynolds
pseud. Jan Stephen

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/copyright/development-of-a-novel-elisa-for-the-testing-of/#ixzz0vmwAD8G1

 

[madeleine]

Madeleine, are you saying you think there could be a JB "snuff" film floating out there somewhere? Now that would be a bombshell. Really sick stuff, but a bombshell regardless.

In this scenario,if the mastermind wasn't present I guess he would have wanted 1.some proof and 2.to enjoy the "play" over and over again,THEIR play, whenever they feel like it

 

[madeleine]

The biggest coincidence re the Santas IMO is dec.26,it's the same date their daughter was kidnapped.And I don't believe them when they say "oh we forgot about it (the date)"

 

[madeleine]

http://crimeshots.com/JBMorning.html

His wife Janet, 64, who’d been a film and drama critic for the Boulder Daily Camera for 10 years

Coincidentally(?!), on Dec. 26, 1974, a 9-year-old daughter of the McReynolds was abducted and forced to watch as another young girl was molested. The two girls were then released and no one was ever arrested


http://www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm

In 1976, Santa's wife Janet, a newspaper drama and movie critic

 

[madeleine]

http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs...og/2006/08/did-santa-claus-kill-jonbenet.html

Trip DeMuth, one of the original prosecutors on the case, told me that Santa Bill gave JonBenet a card that read: "You will receive a special gift after Christmas."


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special gift,special visit
coincidence?

 

[MurriFlower]

http://crimeshots.com/JBMorning.html

His wife Janet, 64, who’d been a film and drama critic for the Boulder Daily Camera for 10 years

Coincidentally(?!), on Dec. 26, 1974, a 9-year-old daughter of the McReynolds was abducted and forced to watch as another young girl was molested. The two girls were then released and no one was ever arrested


http://www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm

In 1976, Santa's wife Janet, a newspaper drama and movie critic

I was wondering how this story of their daughter came to light? Did someone discover it or did the McSantas tell?

It sounds like it was reported to the cops ('no one was ever arrested') so there should be a record of it.

 

[claudicici]

I also wonder if anyone knows if the McReynolds daughter that wold have been 22 at the time of the murder was ever questions? Does anyone know if where she was doing that time?...I think they questioned a son that was involved in some sort of criminal activity if I remember correctly?

 

[MurriFlower]

I also wonder if anyone knows if the McReynolds daughter that wold have been 22 at the time of the murder was ever questions? Does anyone know if where she was doing that time?...I think they questioned a son that was involved in some sort of criminal activity if I remember correctly?

She works as a counsellor for abused kids! Another coincidence??

 

[madeleine]

I think they questioned a son that was involved in some sort of criminal activity if I remember correctly?

Jessie McReynolds
(Nederland, Colorado)
(Santa's Son)
He had done two and a half years in an Arizona prison for conspiracy, aggravated robbery and kidnapping and had no corroborated alibi for Christmas night 1996

Former Kidnapping charge was a botched $113 gas station robbery in Arizona, where he forced clerk to move from Point A to Point B, thus the kidnapping charge

Investigated by
Steve Thomas
Ron Gosage

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Alibi:
Home, drink scotch, took prescription Rx
Went to bed




Got DNA-YES

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-mcreynolds-family.htm



His DNA didn't match so I guess they didn't investigate it further.:banghead:

Here I go again,how stupid can you be to exonerate,clear people based on DNA in this case??
How do we know that X ,Y or Z ,RDI or IDI,didn't have an accomplice???
And if he was "investigated" by Thomas........................no comment.

 

[Roy23]

Jessie McReynolds
(Nederland, Colorado)
(Santa's Son)
He had done two and a half years in an Arizona prison for conspiracy, aggravated robbery and kidnapping and had no corroborated alibi for Christmas night 1996

Former Kidnapping charge was a botched $113 gas station robbery in Arizona, where he forced clerk to move from Point A to Point B, thus the kidnapping charge

Investigated by
Steve Thomas
Ron Gosage

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alibi:
Home, drink scotch, took prescription Rx
Went to bed




Got DNA-YES

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-mcreynolds-family.htm



His DNA didn't match so I guess they didn't investigate it further.:banghead:

Here I go again,how stupid can you be to exonerate,clear people based on DNA in this case??
How do we know that X ,Y or Z ,RDI or IDI,didn't have an accomplice???
And if he was "investigated" by Thomas........................no comment.

Maddy,

Here is a theory that I think even Holdon might even think is interesting. Let's just say that the McRen family always felt slighted by investigators concerning their case. Who investigated? That is right the government. All the while, they watch the news and see that families with more money seem to get more justice. More resources, media, and thus time is spent on getting help for beautiful white blonde girls.

Could this be a motive? To rub it in law enforcements face and the rich and powerful's face. Assuming there was staging, could this be a reason for it? It is certainly a reason to write a ransom note and do the form of sexual abuse that they theorize.

What do ya think?

 

[madeleine]

Maddy,

Here is a theory that I think even Holdon might even think is interesting. Let's just say that the McRen family always felt slighted by investigators concerning their case. Who investigated? That is right the government. All the while, they watch the news and see that families with more money seem to get more justice. More resources, media, and thus time is spent on getting help for beautiful white blonde girls.

Could this be a motive? To rub it in law enforcements face and the rich and powerful's face. Assuming there was staging, could this be a reason for it? It is certainly a reason to write a ransom note and do the form of sexual abuse that they theorize.

What do ya think?

This is very possible.
Sometimes I even think that it might be possible for more then 2 people to have planned this.Let's say the Santas,LHP and a few others (Ramsey wanna-be friends) sitting at a table having drinks,discussing how arrogant the Ramsey's are because they're rich and have everything,how wrong PR is about the pageant thing,etc etc and someone like JmcR joking what if someone would so this or that only as a joke but it gets serious.What better day to really get back at someone is there if not X-mas.Maybe it was meant like teaching them a lesson.Maybe it was meant to scare the R's (kidnapping) but something went wrong,who knows.
I know some will find this ridiculous but I don't care,it crossed my mind so here it goes.

 

[BBB167893]

Ok, well as you obviously have some information about the PI, perhaps you could enlighten us all?

What do you mean? The article itself says that he's been censured by the courts in the past.

Is there something about his record with which you have issues?

He probably didn't get censured for nothing.

How exactly did he self promote?

He certainly seized on the idea that these two cases were connected. Nothing like attaching yourself to one of the most famous cases of the century.

I was laughing at your facetious remark!

That's odd, considering that I was deadly serious.

 

[BBB167893]

So, Mark Beckner was who? A "professional of the very first order" who obviously had his finger right on the pulse?? Hmmm, doesn't seem to have had much of a handle on this one. (/fyi Mark Beckner BPD Police Chief)

I actually wasn't referring to Beckner. I was talking about people like the FBI, the Dream Team lawyers, Werner Spitz, John McCann, etc. Those kinds of people.

I should also point out that Beckner only came on to the case about a year and a half after it happened.

 

[BBB167893]

Coincidences -

J McR: "And I feel that the message that I am getting -- the under- current of all of this -- is that the media is saying to this collective community -- to our global village -- in some way she deserved to die.

That, at least, is a message that I am getting: She deserved to die because she was too beautiful. She deserved to die because she was from an affluent family.

She deserved to die because she lived an up scale community. She deserved to die because her family taught her gestures which might be interpreted as sexually suggestive. She deserved to die because she was in beauty pageants.

There's even an implication on some of the talk shows she deserved to die because sometimes she wore lipstick. And to me, that is a crucification of an innocent victim, and I would really, really like to see it stopped."

and

"RN:

If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found, she dies."

This IS a coincidence. There used to be an entire website detailing the instances (MANYof them) where the Ramseys spoke the way the RN reads.

 

[MurriFlower]

This is very possible.
Sometimes I even think that it might be possible for more then 2 people to have planned this.Let's say the Santas,LHP and a few others (Ramsey wanna-be friends) sitting at a table having drinks,discussing how arrogant the Ramsey's are because they're rich and have everything,how wrong PR is about the pageant thing,etc etc and someone like JmcR joking what if someone would so this or that only as a joke but it gets serious.What better day to really get back at someone is there if not X-mas.Maybe it was meant like teaching them a lesson.Maybe it was meant to scare the R's (kidnapping) but something went wrong,who knows.
I know some will find this ridiculous but I don't care,it crossed my mind so here it goes.

No not stupid at all. I've read this quote a few times, and it keeps surfacing in my mind.

McReynolds: "Looking back, I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas."

If anybody wanted to do major damage to this family

Well, major damage was certainly achieved eh?

 

[MurriFlower]

I actually wasn't referring to Beckner. I was talking about people like the FBI, the Dream Team lawyers, Werner Spitz, John McCann, etc. Those kinds of people.

I should also point out that Beckner only came on to the case about a year and a half after it happened.

Ok, well here is a copy of our exchange on this issue:

MurriFlower:Naturally this was dismissed by BPD as a copy cat. Lets face it, they reckoned they already had JBRs murderer(s), so they didn't need to waste time looking anywhere else.

SuperDave:Even if that's true, you say it as if they had no reason to take that approach.

MurriFlower: Ha ha.

SuperDave:I'm glad you find that funny, MF. But considering that they were working with professionals of the very first order, I'm afraid I don't see the humor.

MurriFlower: I was laughing at your facetious remark!

SuperDave: That's odd, considering that I was deadly serious.

Originally Posted by MurriFlower So, Mark Beckner was who? A "professional of the very first order" who obviously had his finger right on the pulse?? Hmmm, doesn't seem to have had much of a handle on this one. (/fyi Mark Beckner BPD Police Chief)

SuperDave:I actually wasn't referring to Beckner. I was talking about people like the FBI, the Dream Team lawyers, Werner Spitz, John McCann, etc. Those kinds of people.

I should also point out that Beckner only came on to the case about a year and a half after it happened.

Well it's interesting how conversations turn around. I started referring to the BPD not thoroughly investigating a similar crime, dismissing it as a 'copy cat', then provided a copy of an interview demonstrating that the BPD Chief acknowledged that they didn't take much interest in a connection between two suspects and you finish up by telling me you were talking about the FBI et al?? If the Chief of BPD was only expected to know about things that happened after he arrived on the scene, there's not much hope for solving this crime (that occurred before he arrived) is there?

 

[BBB167893]

Well it's interesting how conversations turn around.

The conversation's not turned around.

I started referring to the BPD not thoroughly investigating a similar crime, dismissing it as a 'copy cat', then provided a copy of an interview demonstrating that the BPD Chief acknowledged that they didn't take much interest in a connection between two suspects and you finish up by telling me you were talking about the FBI et al??

That's right. For a while now, you've talked as if the BPD had no real reason to suspect the Rs of JB's death and were motivated by something--I don't know what--other than evidence. I merely countered by reminding you that they were working with the best of the best.

Now, you used this instance as some kind of proof of your assertions. But it doesn't seem to occur to you that maybe, just maybe, the police had good reason to think these two crimes were not related. And just so no one misunderstands me, if there was a crime here involving "Amy," then it doesn't matter whether this case is connected to JBR or NOT. It was their duty to investigate it, and if they didn't, they SHOULD be condemned for it. That said, the article in question seems to give only one side of the story. We don't know what exactly the cops did.

If the Chief of BPD was only expected to know about things that happened after he arrived on the scene, there's not much hope for solving this crime (that occurred before he arrived) is there?

I didn't say that. I just meant that Beckner is not solely to blame.

 

[MurriFlower]

The conversation's not turned around.

Hmm, well I talked about the BPD investigation not the FBI or any of the other people you named. I don't think they would have had jurisdiction unless invited by BPD. If it was dismissed by them as 'copy cat', then that would be an end to it.

That's right. For a while now, you've talked as if the BPD had no real reason to suspect the Rs of JB's death and were motivated by something--I don't know what--other than evidence. I merely countered by reminding you that they were working with the best of the best.

I wonder about this too. You see, I think it might have been the reason that the DA eventually took over the investigation. That is, the BPD weren't actually working with 'the best of the best' but rather trying to keep it 'in house'. They seemed to take only the advice that agreed with their original theory (RDI) and disregard the rest. Now, I know you will argue this, but it's the way I see it.

Now, you used this instance as some kind of proof of your assertions. But it doesn't seem to occur to you that maybe, just maybe, the police had good reason to think these two crimes were not related. And just so no one misunderstands me, if there was a crime here involving "Amy," then it doesn't matter whether this case is connected to JBR or NOT. It was their duty to investigate it, and if they didn't, they SHOULD be condemned for it. That said, the article in question seems to give only one side of the story. We don't know what exactly the cops did.

I think it's very telling that the family of "Amy" felt that they needed to engage a PI to investigate, because the BPD weren't interested in doing so.
I'd love to hear his side of the story.

I didn't say that. I just meant that Beckner is not solely to blame.

I used that interview to demonstrate the lack of interest he (and by association the whole department) had in investigating leads that weren't RDI. An association between suspects should have got more attention IMO.