I'm pretty sure there is, but I don't think it has anything to do with this case. Law of averages suggest that a (hopefully) small percentage of people that play these games cannot separate themselves from the game when they stop playing.
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I'm pretty sure there is, but I don't think it has anything to do with this case. Law of averages suggest that a (hopefully) small percentage of people that play these games cannot separate themselves from the game when they stop playing.
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IF indeed JesseMcR was involved with developing warcraft or even if one of the players was known to be into these type of games I think it would be too much of a coincidence not to look into it and I hope LE did....
I doubt they did. But the warcraft games, while violent, do not involve garroting and killing little girls. If this is the McR's son, it may mean he is a bit creepy and (depending on his age as far as playing those kinds of games) a bit of a misfit. But there still isn't anything to link him to the crime.
Creepy family, though. Between Santa's harp carved with the names of dead children, the absolutely awful work of fiction written by Mrs. McR, the violent computer games and the horrible ordeal of their daughter when she was young, it all adds up to a kind of ickiness factor I'd stay away from.
Odd that nothing much seemed to come of their daughter's abduction. Her little friend was sexually assaulted while she was forced to watch. This is VERY mysterious, lots of missing details. How did she avoid the assault herself? How did her parents get her back? Did the other girl's parents try to find out who did this? How did THAT child get returned to her parents? There is a lot I want to know about that crime. Did the BPD turn blind eye to that crime? Was there a suspect? I know charges were not brought in that crime, but that doesn't mean there was no suspect. Those girls were old enough to give descriptions, details, etc. This seems a little too much like it may have been someone they knew.
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Well, jolly old McSanta and Mrs Claus would never have been looked at too hard if not for this coincidental murder of a child only two days after their visit. McS referred to her as an 'angel' so I suppose that's where little girls go when they aren't alive any more!
Yep, I'd be very interested to find out more about this as well. You wonder if it was reported even. If so, it should be on record somewhere, maybe even in the newspaper. Do we know where it happened?
I also wondered if this was 'found out' or if the McSantas told someone about it. The reason I'm asking is that I read an article that was written by someone who saw an interview with him by American Journal on March 4, 1997. I can't verify the truth of this, but here it is in part:
"March 4th, 1997: American Journal had a tv segment that dealt with the
Ramsey case. The man who had played Santa Claus at the Ramsey's Christmas party for the previous three years was interviewed and I was speechless!
Bill McReynolds told interviewers that he had never cared much for Christmas
until recent years. "His own mother had suffered with bouts of depression
and always seemed to have a "spell" during the holidays so he had grown up
not caring much for them."
McReynolds said he'd been a journalist for most of his life and had tried
his hand at short story writing a time or two. One of his stories had been
about a girl who was murdered in her own home and then carried down to the
basement and left!
I had difficulty concentrating on the rest of the interview because my mind
wanted to keep going back to what the man had already said.
The man's next comments absolutely sent me into orbit .....
He said he'd suffered a tragedy in his own life a few years earlier when his
own daughter had been kidnapped and murdered on (Christmas night!)
McReynolds claimed it was then and there that he decided to celebrate
Christmas by trying to make other children happy.
McReynolds told how JonBenet had given him a tour of the Ramsey household
...... the entire household .... bedrooms, basement....everything ..... in
1995 and how much he enjoyed playing Santa for her, because he was much
loved by the family.
The story about Bill McReynolds' daughter took a few twists and turns as
time went on, and detectives working the Ramsey case were shocked to learn
that McReynolds had failed to mention his daughter and the "coincidental"
date. But it seemed this was only the tip of the iceberg as there was a lot
more to come from the McReynolds family.
It turned out that Bill McReynolds daughter had indeed been kidnapped ....
she and one of her friends .... on Christmas night, precisely 22 years
before JonBenet was murdered! But she had not been killed as McReynolds had told on the tv program. Instead, her friend was sexually assaulted while she was tied up and forced to watch. Nothing was done to her however, and afterward the two girls were released. As far as I know the case was neve
solved, and no one knows who assaulted the girl's friend to this day.
And as far as the comments about the story he claimed to write were
concerned, it seems he had that a bit cockeyed also."
So I did wonder if he wasn't a nutter. It appears the daughter has never been quoted as speaking about it, so it'd be interesting to hear her side of the story.
It's hard to disregard these people as potential suspects, so can't for the life of me work out how LE didn't look a bit harder at them.
Hmmmm...OK- the more I read about Santa, the ickier I feel. Is this interview able to be verified? I am astonished ANYONE would say their daughter had been killed when they knew she had not. I see him in quite a different light now.
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I can't confirm this DD, but the date and the programme's name is there. If the footage still exists it should be able to be found.
On another thread we had a discussion about the doll and the bear remember? Well, everyone said the bear wasn't missing, but I was sure that I saw something about it somewhere.
I just remembered where:
http://www.youtube.com./watch?v=Uca78eECe48
I went back to have a look at this to see if there was some clue or other. Watch carefully the piece where J McR talks about McSanta. Have a look at what he is doing and what is in the room around him.
Hmmmm again!!
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Okay, so the bear went missing AFTER police had taken a picture of it, to take into evidence. HMMMM....this is why I believe that PP took it out with the rest of the things that she took out of the house.
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Now I don't know if the bear was missing or not. Or if anyone took it out of the house. But you are certain PP took it with the 'rest of the things' LOL.
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....yes,Murry that JMcR footage made me go hhmmm again...and it makes what his mother said in this "Denver Post " interview a little bit unbelievable...
The Denver Post
March 25, 1997 Tuesday 2D EDITION
We don't own a working computer. We aren't even sure we know what a
Web site is - we are hopelessly out of touch. Lost in cyberspace.
Our friend explained to us that Santa has become an "item" in chat rooms.
Anyone with a half-baked speculation, a speck of venom or an idle
fantasy can get on the Internet and send a message, almost
instantaneously, around the world. Santa has gone global.
Santa, the baby-killer.
I found the interview here
http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=2308&forum=DCForumID61#27
it made me go hhhmmm more than once.
The Denver Post
March 25, 1997 Tuesday 2D EDITION
We don't own a working computer. We aren't even sure we know what a
Web site is - we are hopelessly out of touch. Lost in cyberspace.
Our friend explained to us that Santa has become an "item" in chat rooms.
Anyone with a half-baked speculation, a speck of venom or an idle
fantasy can get on the Internet and send a message, almost
instantaneously, around the world. Santa has gone global.
Santa, the baby-killer.
I found the interview here
http://www.webbsleuths.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=2308&forum=DCForumID61#27
it made me go hhhmmm more than once.
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Well here I go again. Google certainly has something to answer for.
I was wondering about the harp with the (dead) children's names carved on it. Don't know for sure, but it was described as a wooden "Celtic" harp. That started me wondering about a tie up with the computer games and Celts and Druids. Well, I came across this, totally not related to anything JBR, but interesting none the less.
"Then one of the most famous of all, Tollund Man, who was wearing a nice little wool stocking cap, was lying very peacefully on his side and he had an expression of such repose on his face that everyone was startled to find, when they examined more of his remains, that there was a noose around his neck, and he had been strangled before being placed in the bog! So our English archaeologists, there in the 1980s, are on the lookout for things that look like ritual killing. So what should they find but signs of multiple death. He was killed over and over and over again! First of all, somebody had hit him on the side of the head with what looked like maybe the blunt end of an ax. Well, let's hope that knocked him out, because the next thing was that he was punched in the back, so hard that a rib broke, with some sharper instrument. And then a garrote was wrapped around his neck—this is a piece of twine, cord, rope, wrapped around and then a short stick is put in there and twisted to inexorably tighten that noose until the neck snaps. In fact, it appeared that his neck had broken, and he died in this way also, in addition to be strangled in this way. Finally, of course, he'd been placed in the bog, and that drowning may have counted as an additional mode of death, although certainly by that time he was dead. This looked like Celtic religious practice. There were ideas of doing things in triples in the Celtic world. Three was a conjuring number, a magic number that had a great significance. One idea of the excavators was he might have been sacrificed to three different gods, and killed for each one of them. Or that the tripling was simply an important clue to the importance that was invested in his death. "
There was a comment from McSanta I read somewhere about her being only 6 years old and him saying he could have had three more years with her. So of course she would then have been 9 years old (coincidentally the same age as his daughter when she was abducted), which is 3 x 3 -- Just a thought.
I was wondering about the harp with the (dead) children's names carved on it. Don't know for sure, but it was described as a wooden "Celtic" harp. That started me wondering about a tie up with the computer games and Celts and Druids. Well, I came across this, totally not related to anything JBR, but interesting none the less.
"Then one of the most famous of all, Tollund Man, who was wearing a nice little wool stocking cap, was lying very peacefully on his side and he had an expression of such repose on his face that everyone was startled to find, when they examined more of his remains, that there was a noose around his neck, and he had been strangled before being placed in the bog! So our English archaeologists, there in the 1980s, are on the lookout for things that look like ritual killing. So what should they find but signs of multiple death. He was killed over and over and over again! First of all, somebody had hit him on the side of the head with what looked like maybe the blunt end of an ax. Well, let's hope that knocked him out, because the next thing was that he was punched in the back, so hard that a rib broke, with some sharper instrument. And then a garrote was wrapped around his neck—this is a piece of twine, cord, rope, wrapped around and then a short stick is put in there and twisted to inexorably tighten that noose until the neck snaps. In fact, it appeared that his neck had broken, and he died in this way also, in addition to be strangled in this way. Finally, of course, he'd been placed in the bog, and that drowning may have counted as an additional mode of death, although certainly by that time he was dead. This looked like Celtic religious practice. There were ideas of doing things in triples in the Celtic world. Three was a conjuring number, a magic number that had a great significance. One idea of the excavators was he might have been sacrificed to three different gods, and killed for each one of them. Or that the tripling was simply an important clue to the importance that was invested in his death. "
There was a comment from McSanta I read somewhere about her being only 6 years old and him saying he could have had three more years with her. So of course she would then have been 9 years old (coincidentally the same age as his daughter when she was abducted), which is 3 x 3 -- Just a thought.
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....how about the 3 secrets Santa shared with JB according to his wife?
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During the evening, Santa told JonBenet three secrets:
"Christmas is every day."
"Angels are everywhere."
"Santa is always in your heart."
....it's from the interview I linked to above....
"Christmas is every day."
"Angels are everywhere."
"Santa is always in your heart."
....it's from the interview I linked to above....
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IF and I say IF...it was missing. It went missing AFTER the police took a photo of it. Who the heck else could have taken it?? Nobody else would have had access to that room. It was AFTER the murder. But, most likely...it wasn't missing AT ALL, because that is the first that I had heard of that.
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Hmmm Ames, you seem to argue opposite points of view. I saw that video and assumed it was correct and the bear had gone. You then tell me that I'm mistaken and it never was missing, but PR lied about not knowing where it came from. Then on another thread you say you don't know if it was gone or not, but if so, you are sure PP took it because who else would?
You seem to have no trouble blaming the Rs and extended family regardless of the facts.
Gimmeabreak!!
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No, just after the fact....and after my posts...I did some research, that's all. I THOUGHT that I could have been mistaken about the bear being missing,(after the police took pictures of it for evidence) after I saw the video that you posted. And that the only logical person...that had access to JB's room AFTER the murder, was PP. Then I did more research...and it turns out that I was right all along. The bear NEVER went missing at all. (SOOO...the first post that I posted on this subject was correct afterall).
Patsy was shown the PICTURE of the bear..not the actual bear. She then said that she had no clue where it came from. That had absolutely NOTHING to do with the bear going missing...or not, (see the portion of your post above that I have highlighted in red).
No...YOU gimMEabeak!!!
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Well Ames, you brought up the bit about PR lying about not knowing anything about the bear, or the pineapple, or the kleenex. You also brought up the reason for the bear going missing as PP taking it, (eventhough you still maintained it wasn't missing). You see what I mean? Every single thing is their fault in your eyes! Could you not consider for a moment that they are all innocent? Is it beyond your imagination to understand that someone else killed this child? I have explored and suggested a number of more likely suspects. Why won't you consider alternatives?
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Yep, Patsy DID say that she did not recognize the bear...and the pineapple, and the pineapple bowl(which was actually HERS), etc. etc. etc. YES...I know that I am the one that brought up the fact that PP probably took the bear....IF it had of gone missing, since SHE was in there gathering everything else (a whole trunk load of stuff), and the bear was taken AFTER the murder....AFTER the police took a picture of it....she was the ONLY person....IFit had of been taken....to have taken it. The people that went into JB's bedroom, were limited, police...PP....(and the police didn't take it, they just took a picture of it...so that would leave PP). BUT...turns out that Hard Copy was wrong afterall...and it NEVER went missing. FACT REMAINS....Patsy denied knowing anything about that bear...didn't know where it came from....when in fact...JB brought it home from a pageant. Guess Patsy didn't see her holding it AFTER the pageant..or in the car on the way home...or after they got home. Guess when Patsy took the trophy from JB, she didn't SEE that Christmas bear. She NEVER saw it on JB's bed either. Didn't know WHERE it came from...so the intruder must have brought it in with him, to lay on JB's other bed.
I do not see other alternatives, because all of the puzzle pieces fit....PATSY'S fibers from her sweater/jacket were found all over the crime scene, but no intruder fibers were found. The handwriting experts all agree that a woman wrote that RN....even JOHN said that he thought a woman wrote it. Let's see....a woman wrote the RN, Patsy's fibers all over the crime scene, Patsy NOT recognizing her own bowl, kleenex box, or JB's bear....and many more things that I can add to this list....does NOT add up to an intruder.
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...another strange coincidence involving JMcR
she aparently had an infant son that died on December 26th 1961 when he was 10 days old.
Jefferey Ballew, Dec. 26, 1961, Died
Jill McReynolds, Dec. 26, 1974, Abducted
JonBenet Ramsey, Dec. 26, 1996, Murdered
she aparently had an infant son that died on December 26th 1961 when he was 10 days old.
Jefferey Ballew, Dec. 26, 1961, Died
Jill McReynolds, Dec. 26, 1974, Abducted
JonBenet Ramsey, Dec. 26, 1996, Murdered
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Wow claudicici, I'd read that, but the date didn't 'click' with me. Thanks for pointing it out.
There was also a daughter born & died on 26 July 1960.
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