Coincidences

[eileenhawkeye]

One thing I don't understand is, If the R's wrote the RN (and I believe they did), why would they use John's bonus amount? They had to know that LE would find out about the connection eventually. Did they do that to try to make it look like a disgruntled ex-employee intruder killed JonBenet and wrote the RN?

 

[SunnieRN]

One thing I don't understand is, If the R's wrote the RN (and I believe they did), why would they use John's bonus amount? They had to know that LE would find out about the connection eventually. Did they do that to try to make it look like a disgruntled ex-employee intruder killed JonBenet and wrote the RN?

I think their motive with the ransom note was to shift blame. It could be a disgruntled employee, a housekeeper who needed to borrow money or anyone the R's were close to.

I am curious why Patsy would use that amount, as I feel very certain that she authored the note. Was she trying to further implicate John? How was Patsy at managing money? Would this seem like a very large sum of money to her?

This case is continually frustrating. Questions continue to lead to more questions.

 

[joeskidbeck]

I posted on another thread about the fact that Patsy did not really know a lot about John's financial situation. He provided money for her household and personal "needs" into her checking account. As has been pointed out here numerous times, the amount of the bonus he recieved that year was probably "common knowledge". I believe this amount occurred to her while writing the rn simply because she knew they could readily come up with this amount of cash if they needed to in order to validate the authenticity of the rn. Of course, all this depends on believing what the Ramseys have stated in their interviews and we all know just how believable that is.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I believed that Patsy wrote the RN but John was right next to her, coaching her about what to write. So even if Patsy had no idea that John's bonus was 118k, he could have easily just supplied that info while she was writing the RN.

If they really wanted to make it look like an intruder killed JBR, they should have removed JonBenet's body and threw it into a lake or buried it in the mountains outside of Boulder. However, I do think JBR's death was an accident and there was no way the R's were going to have her body outdoors where it could take years for her to be found. I wonder if they even considered dumping her body outside somewhere?

 

[MurriFlower]

While you are all indulging me somewhat with IDI possibilities, there is another part of the RN that puzzles me.

Why would JR be instructed to collect the money in an adequate sized attache and then transfer the money to a paper bag? Why not take the attache to where ever he was to deliver the money? I can only think that he was to travel somewhere, hence the delivery would be exhausting, so he should be well rested. Where/how was he to travel that he couldn't take the attache? Was he to walk, drive, fly? Was the delivery place to be across town, across state or across country??

 

[Ames]

While you are all indulging me somewhat with IDI possibilities, there is another part of the RN that puzzles me.

Why would JR be instructed to collect the money in an adequate sized attache and then transfer the money to a paper bag? Why not take the attache to where ever he was to deliver the money? I can only think that he was to travel somewhere, hence the delivery would be exhausting, so he should be well rested. Where/how was he to travel that he couldn't take the attache? Was he to walk, drive, fly? Was the delivery place to be across town, across state or across country??

We probably we have known the answers to all of these very important questions...if the kidnapper/murderer/ intruder had of called like he said he would.

 

[MurriFlower]

We probably we have known the answers to all of these very important questions...if the kidnapper/murderer/ intruder had of called like he said he would.

Yeah, well they didn't so we are left to ponder.

Give it a try.

Why would you need to put the money in a paper bag?

Why would delivery be exhausting?

 

[Toltec]

One thing I don't understand is, If the R's wrote the RN (and I believe they did), why would they use John's bonus amount? They had to know that LE would find out about the connection eventually. Did they do that to try to make it look like a disgruntled ex-employee intruder killed JonBenet and wrote the RN?

Not a disgruntled ex-employee but the current Chief Financial Officer.... He would be privy to John's bonus of $118,000.000.

Son of a bi**h Tom Carson. SBTC

Tom Carson was the employee who had dinner with Access Graphics ex-employees. Don Paugh told John he witnessed the dinner Tom Carson had with ex-employees. EX-EMPLOYEES: Small Foreign Faction.

It was no secret that Nedra, Pam and Polly were fired by Tom Carson. The Atlanta office of Access Graphics was closing down and John being John the coward left it to Tom Carson to fire his in-laws. The Paughs hated Tom Carson.

 

[DeeDee249]

Not a disgruntled ex-employee but the current Chief Financial Officer.... He would be privy to John's bonus of $118,000.000.

Son of a bi**h Tom Carson. SBTC

Tom Carson was the employee who had dinner with Access Graphics ex-employees. Don Paugh told John he witnessed the dinner Tom Carson had with ex-employees. EX-EMPLOYEES: Small Foreign Faction.

It was no secret that Nedra, Pam and Polly were fired by Tom Carson. The Atlanta office of Access Graphics was closing down and John being John the coward left it to Tom Carson to fire his in-laws. The Paughs hated Tom Carson.

Using that bonus amount was seen as a way of pointing the blame in the direction of an employee with a grudge. The Rs thought it would finger a few people, TC being one of them, JM being another. Police did interview these people, I believe. I know they interviewed JM several times. So as far as that goes, the use of the bonus amount was successful.
The Rs tried to spread the suspicion in a few directions, while never really narrowing t down to specifics. This is for a few reasons- they increased their pool of suspects, yet didn't have to zero in too closely on someone who could be investigated and ruled out! They'd also likely be sued by that person, too.
JR was a coward as far as the firing goes, to be sure. Covering up the killing of your little girl is cowardly too.

A disgruntled employee would not kill JB, or any of JR's family. They'd be more likely try to cause harm to the business, try to infer criminal activity or something improper as far as JR and Access Graphics was concerned. Even damage a car or property. What was done to JB goes so far beyond what either of these men would do that it would be ridiculous if it weren't so horrific a crime.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Using that bonus amount was seen as a way of pointing the blame in the direction of an employee with a grudge. The Rs thought it would finger a few people, TC being one of them, JM being another. Police did interview these people, I believe. I know they interviewed JM several times. So as far as that goes, the use of the bonus amount was successful.
The Rs tried to spread the suspicion in a few directions, while never really narrowing t down to specifics. This is for a few reasons- they increased their pool of suspects, yet didn't have to zero in too closely on someone who could be investigated and ruled out! They'd also likely be sued by that person, too.
JR was a coward as far as the firing goes, to be sure. Covering up the killing of your little girl is cowardly too.

A disgruntled employee would not kill JB, or any of JR's family. They'd be more likely try to cause harm to the business, try to infer criminal activity or something improper as far as JR and Access Graphics was concerned. Even damage a car or property. What was done to JB goes so far beyond what either of these men would do that it would be ridiculous if it weren't so horrific a crime.

I don't believe that JonBenet was killed by a disgruntled employee but I have to disagree that someone mad at their boss would never kill a family member of theirs for revenge. There are plenty of sick people out there who kill just because they feel like it. Someone killing their boss's kid because their boss fired them isn't that far fetched IMO. I don't think that's what happened to JonBenet but I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone has been murdered due to a family member's workplace relationships.

 

[DeeDee249]

I don't believe that JonBenet was killed by a disgruntled employee but I have to disagree that someone mad at their boss would never kill a family member of theirs for revenge. There are plenty of sick people out there who kill just because they feel like it. Someone killing their boss's kid because their boss fired them isn't that far fetched IMO. I don't think that's what happened to JonBenet but I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone has been murdered due to a family member's workplace relationships.

I understand and I was not suggesting that NO disgruntled employee would ever resort to killing. (that's where "going postal" comes from, after all- no disrespect to postal workers intended). I said that THESE TWO disgruntled employees would not kill an innocent little girl because they didn't like JR. I mentioned JR and Access Graphics specifically.

 

[BBB167893]

One thing I don't understand is, If the R's wrote the RN (and I believe they did), why would they use John's bonus amount? They had to know that LE would find out about the connection eventually. Did they do that to try to make it look like a disgruntled ex-employee intruder killed JonBenet and wrote the RN?

Yeah, I'd have to say that probably was the idea.

 

[Tadpole12]

Yeah, well they didn't so we are left to ponder.

Give it a try.

Why would you need to put the money in a paper bag?

Why would delivery be exhausting?

Okay MF.

plot wise, the paper bag detail may have only been a ruse? only a decoy. Had JR not called the police then he would have left the bank alone, with a briefase in hand, and $118 00 inside. Could have second perp in bank observing JR. As a mark he could then be intercepted. Or perhaps a note placed under the windsheild wiper of JR's car, while JR was occupied in the bank, would redirect JR to the drop off.

 

[Tadpole12]

non descript brown paper bag, for the old switchero, or an exchange in which JR is directed to a location where a sports bag or more durable bag or container is found. JR is then further instructed as to the specifics of drop off, ie bag is to be tossed off overpass.

Why would delivery be exhausting?,

plot wise, suggests a series of game like clues, leading JR from location to location.
By 96 payphones couldn't receive calls, so walkie talkies or untraceable phone might be picked up by JR in one locale.

exhausting? movie plot wise, skis or snowmobiles involved in the drop off.
hmm also, can't discount the possibility of a rock climbing type descent by the kidnapper, given the skill level of the knots used in the garotte, as some of the 'knot experts' have noted.

Okay that's pretty much sums up every kidnapping movie I've seen.

"Is it safe?"

 

[MurriFlower]

non descript brown paper bag, for the old switchero, or an exchange in which JR is directed to a location where a sports bag or more durable bag or container is found. JR is then further instructed as to the specifics of drop off, ie bag is to be tossed off overpass.

Why would delivery be exhausting?,

plot wise, suggests a series of game like clues, leading JR from location to location.
By 96 payphones couldn't receive calls, so walkie talkies or untraceable phone might be picked up by JR in one locale.

exhausting? movie plot wise, skis or snowmobiles involved in the drop off.
hmm also, can't discount the possibility of a rock climbing type descent by the kidnapper, given the skill level of the knots used in the garotte, as some of the 'knot experts' have noted.

Okay that's pretty much sums up every kidnapping movie I've seen.

"Is it safe?"

Yeah LOL, I was thinking of one I saw, (was it Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry??) where he has to dash from one phone booth to another and get there while the phone is ringing to get the next clue.

Aside from that I can only think of a long walk (into the mountains) or a journey across the country by plane/train/automobile.

I'm really curious to know what they had in mind that would be exhausting and also require him to carry the money in a paper bag.

BTW, I've asked this before, but don't you guys in the US say "paper sack"??

 

[joeskidbeck]

Americans use both bag and sack. Perhaps a personal preference.

 

[Toltec]

The ransom letter was written to specifically point to an outsider...what better way to do that but with an access graphics employee?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

There's a company called JBR GRAPHICS located in CHARLEVOIX, Michigan.

http://www.jbrgraphics.com/

Obviously, just a coincidence but I did find it pretty weird since JBR = JonBenet, graphics = Access Graphics, and Charlevoix = where the R's lived.

 

[Agatha_C]

There's a company called JBR GRAPHICS located in CHARLEVOIX, Michigan.

http://www.jbrgraphics.com/

Obviously, just a coincidence but I did find it pretty weird since JBR = JonBenet, graphics = Access Graphics, and Charlevoix = where the R's lived.

Eileen,

Though the companies name has nothing to do with JBR, I thought you would like to know that on their list of clients is the Patsy Ramsey Ovarian Cancer foundation. Heres the link to the foundations site http://www.patsyramseyfoundation.org/

 

[SunnieRN]

Agatha, what I found interesting, was the fact that her friends, not her family, founded the site. Wonder where her paintings are now?