Colorado Sex Offenders - Missing

[Britt]

What Hunter said was interesting.
He said, "Don't think that all we are looking at is evidence in the house. We are not. The case is much more complicated than that."

Sure it is, Alex. IMO he's just rationalizing his ineffectiveness.

However, maybe he's referring to John's domestic history. What was John hiding by lawyering up his prior family?

And what is the REAL reason the Ramseys did not deliver that last Christmas gift that night??? After leaving the Stines'?

Hmmm, never thought of that. My first guess would be that JonBenet wet her pants in the car. What do you think happened?

 

[Britt]

The DNA is BS.

The garotte was not an EA device.

There is nothing in the ransom note about sex.

None of the things done to the body had anything to do with sex except the vaginal abuse and that was the least of the damage.

Per cent wise sex is way down the list.

I completely agree.

 

[Shylock]

There's a high probability the foreign DNA in JonBenet's underwear is from the killer.

But there's a higher probability the foreign DNA in her underwear came from Sum Yung Gai who works in a Taiwanese garment factory.

Someone who sexually molests a child is not going to leave behind a partial DNA print from an unidentifiable source.

 

[BlueCrab]

Hmmm, never thought of that. My first guess would be that JonBenet wet her pants in the car. What do you think happened?

My guess for the real reason the Ramseys didn't drop that final Christmas gift off at the Fernies after leaving the Stines' house is that they had picked up Doug Stine, and perhaps Nathan Inouye as a baby sitter, to spend the night at the Ramseys. The boys had whined and wanted to play with the Nintendo that Burke got that day for Christmas, so Nathan was brought along to watch the kids so John and Patsy could get to bed early. The Ramseys had to be at the airport by 6:30 A.M. the next day but could easily drop off Doug and Nathan at the Stines' house, just 5 blocks away, on their way to the airport.

JMO

 

[vicktor]

What Hunter said was interesting.
He said, "Don't think that all we are looking at is evidence in the house. We are not. The case is much more complicated than that."



And what is the REAL reason the Ramseys did not deliver that last Christmas gift that night??? After leaving the Stines'?

Alex Hunter also had a press conference on 2/13/97 where he spoke as if to the killer saying he had the ways and means to catch him. Sounds like Geraldo was another example of his boasting and posturing that the DA and BPD would prevail.

The simplest reason: J and P were tired from several days of Christmas events, and had to get up early the next day. Like most of us they wanted to fit too much into the time available.

 

[jubie]

BlueCrab

No offense but since when is Lou Smit or John Ramsey a source for credible and honest thoughts? Of course they are going to say the garotte was a sex instrument... it backs up their version of events... :waitasec:

 

[SisterSocks]

I'm wondering if any of these guys is going to have JonBenet's murder pinned on him?

There is one interesting one though:-

http://sor.state.co.us/off2/offender.detail.asp?ID=263

John Archuleta. I wonder if he is related to the Ramsey pilot?

I wonder too! Thanks for this wealth of info. Jay. MAYBE HE IS A NEPHEW OR COUSIN ?
SisterSocks

 

[Shylock]

No offense but since when is Lou Smit or John Ramsey a source for credible and honest thoughts? Of course they are going to say the garotte was a sex instrument... it backs up their version of events... :waitasec:

I think John is a VERY credible source, because if you really want to know what events transpired, you just listen to John and know he's lying and the opposite really happened. His story is constructed to lead the listener AWAY from the real truth.

 

[VespaElf]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't John's pilot come to the house (after the flight to Atlanta was cancelled)and pick up a box (?) from the house??

If so,why wasn't this ever followed up on?

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab

No offense but since when is Lou Smit or John Ramsey a source for credible and honest thoughts? Of course they are going to say the garotte was a sex instrument... it backs up their version of events...

jubie,

That's true about John and Lou, but the device around JonBenet's neck speaks for itself. It is NOT a garrote. Garrotes don't use knots and ligatures (except sometimes as handles). A garrote is a simple device used to sneak up on and strangle a victim from behind, and usually consists of just a single length of wire or rope with a handle at each end to get a firm grasp.

The device on JonBenet was a classic erotic asphyxiation tool used in extreme asphyxiation sex. Please use any search engine and type in "autoerotic asphyxiation" to research the subject on the web.

JMO

 

[tipper]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't John's pilot come to the house (after the flight to Atlanta was cancelled)and pick up a box (?) from the house??

If so,why wasn't this ever followed up on?

http://www.acandyrose.com/02002000brillscontent.htm

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Days after the Enquirer's 911 scoop, Shapiro's editor had a big lead for him. Late in the night, on August 22, 1998, Shapiro says, one of his editors, Joe Mullens, called him at home to tell him that Mullens had found a source with the perfect juicy nugget. The lead, Shapiro recalls, was that John Ramsey had handed his pilot, Michael Archuleta, a box potentially filled with evidence, such as the cord used to strangle JonBenét and the tape found covering her mouth. (Mullens referred questions on this topic to the Globe's press representative. So did Tony Frost, the paper's editor. The press representative declined to comment.)

Shapiro says that when his editor filled him in on the details of the tip, he questioned the accuracy of the main source, who turned out to be Archuleta's brother. Apparently, in addition to telling Mullens about Ramsey's having allegedly dropped off the murder weapon at his pilot's home, Archuleta's brother gave Mullens another tip that Shapiro knew was demonstrably incorrect-the details of a conversation Shapiro knew could not have taken place.

Mullens defended his source, Shapiro says, telling the young reporter that although the pilot's brother may have been wrong about the conversation, he was sure about the box delivery. Shapiro says he wasn't convinced.

But Mullens assigned Shapiro to look into the tip anyway, and Shapiro went to stake out Archuleta's house. After waiting for hours, Shapiro called Mullens to inform him that nothing was happening.

Just wait. The police are on their way over to Archuleta's, Shapiro says Mullens told him.

How do you know? Shapiro says he asked.

Because we called the police and told them, so we know they'll be heading over there, Mullens replied, according to Shapiro. Shapiro kept at his post.

Meanwhile, inside the house, Archuleta got a phone call from a Globe editor. According to the pilot, the Globe editor said that Archuleta's brother had told the Globe that John Ramsey had given Archuleta a box of evidence. Would he care to comment? The Globe editor inquired.

Archuleta told the editor that he had been estranged from his brother for about five months. "If you're taking information from my brother, that shows me how stupid you people are," he recalls having told the Globe editor.

Soon after, Archuleta says, an investigator contacted him to tell him that law-enforcement officials were going to come out to his house that night to ask him about information that had just been called in from the Globe. The pilot says he had told the investigator that the police knew from extensive prior interviews that he had not been at the Ramseys' house the morning after the murder. Archuleta says he asked, "Why do you guys chase your tail around every time a Globe reporter calls?" The investigator told Archuleta that they had to follow up every lead, and if the tabloid press wrote that law enforcement had a tip that they didn't look into right away, the police department could get fried in the mainstream papers. (Mark Beckner, chief of the Boulder Police Department, declined to comment while the Ramsey investigation is still active.)

Sure enough, the police arrived at the pilot's house late in the night, Shapiro was there to capture the moment, and the Globe had its headline: "World Exclusive! Cops probe breakthrough charge in Little Beauty murder case...JonBenét: dad caught hiding key evidence. Ramsey hid deathbed sheets, girl's nightie and stuffed animals in box, then gave it to pilot-says source." The article included only one word of Archuleta's comments: "inaccurate."

From the beginning, the story was never based on legitimate sources, according to Shapiro: "They initiated the whole thing...fed it to the police, got the police to react on it so they could write the story."

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