Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #10

[flipflop]

What if a teacher has a medical emergency? Would there be a specific student, more mature and responsible than the others, that would know where the key is in order to unlock the door and go and get help for the teacher?

No, anyone can open the door from the inside whether it is locked or not....this is a fire regulation. My door locks from outside with a key, opens inside locked or not.

 

[LolaMoon08]

No, anyone can open the door from the inside whether it is locked or not....this is a fire regulation.

Ohhhhhhhhhh!! I get it now! I have a severe cold right now that I am blaming on my lack of quickness today.

ETA: I appeciate and admire you for all you have done. I love how you have been able to take this tragedy and use it to better map out a safety plan for you and your students. You're a special person! Thank you!

 

[jjenny]

What if a teacher has a medical emergency? Would there be a specific student, more mature and responsible than the others, that would know where the key is in order to unlock the door and go and get help for the teacher?

You have to be able to unlock the door from the inside without a key. It's a fire hazard otherwise.

 

[Tucarra]

According to the reports, it doesn't appear that the child who is being used in this lawsuit was even in one of the rooms where the shootings occured so I don't understand how she played dead? It says she is traumatized by the intercom being on and hearing the shots and yelling.

IF we are talking about the same little girl, then weren't her parents talking to the media immediately? :waitasec: This story of this little girl playing dead came out pretty quickly and I remember us talking about how smart she was to play dead. I think that it changes things if she was actually in the room and watched her schoolmates and teachers get gunned down. Not to the tune of 100 million dollars, but it terms of needing long term care for trauma, I get that. Thing is... couselors are there right now. Those counselors can get them in touch with long term counselors. These counselors are offering their services for free.

I just find the suit extremely ill-timed (especially since it appears they sought a lawyer less than a week after the shooting) and insensitive. An investigation is not even close to complete.

I can totally understand the trauma, for someone not even in the classroom....

But suing? Who? For What?...our legal system is nutso, and it costs all of us every day....

 

[manzana]

Lets say we build all new schools to be prison type buildings (far fetched I know)

Someone will just wait til school is dismissed, all kids have to leave school at the same time or close to and many children are sitting outside waiting to be picked up etc

and to think you now have a mom trying to defend her daughters freedom of speech

http://www.businessinsider.com/student-suspended-over-adam-lanza-poem-2012-12

 

[flipflop]

Ohhhhhhhhhh!! I get it now! I have a severe cold right now that I am blaming on my lack of quickness today.

ETA: I appeciate and admire you for all you have done. I love how you have been able to take this tragedy and use it to better map out a safety plan for you and your students. You're a special person! Thank you!

Thanks LolaMoon. I think this tragedy has changed all teachers. This has really made me think more about my surroundings. We have always done school lockdown drills in our own classrooms. You just never think that one day we might have a real one. I am more aware of my surroundings in each room that we enter such as the gym or the library. We just had our monthly lockdown drill a few days before Dec 14. Im sure the next one, I will be a nervous wreck...but I am prepared.

 

[Tucarra]

It's a very fun series, but nothing at all like the first person shooter games. In fact, I don't believe there are any guns in the game. All sorts of blades and oriental weapons. If AL had gone to the school with a pair of scimitars, then I might agree that DW was to blame. :floorlaugh:

ETA: None of the versions I played were online. In fact, I think they were single player on the PS2.

Very seriously...the "violent video games" is way too much of a stretch....most of them, including the 'evil' "World of Warcraft" is not 'violent' game in any traditional sense if the word...

No more than ever having played G.I. Joe as a kid...

The possible distinction may be the 'isolation from society'...as opposed to whatever game...??

 

[Tucarra]

All I see is big $$$$ to install this, good idea, but what school district has this kind of money.

As for the doors, if every teacher ALWAYS keeps the door locked with class in session or not, the door locking problem during a lockdown is no longer an issue.

When you take a step back and think about all of this....isn't it crazy that we have to even think about spending huge dollars on our schools security to keep us safe from a possible madman.

It's totally crazy...

After making all schools like a base in Afghanistan, we can then start protecting the McDonalds, and the Movie Theaters, all with armored guards, and massive security systems...(bad-ish idea...and no way to afford it)

Don't know how to 'quickly' correct anything...but it seems a social human contact, and more awareness on MI, of whatever sort, may be more helpful..

 

[Xavier]

I agree. Contrary to Mayor Bloomberg of NY's view, I think arming retired police officers to safeguard schools is a good idea in light of these mass school shootings. Incidentally, I have heard that police officers have one of the highest mortality rate upon retirement; that many get depressed and don't live long after they retired. I think this would give retired police officers a purpose.

Yes I agree 1000% BOURNE----America has this wealth of well trained, honorable retired LE officers wanting to help and get involved

I'm surprised all of the uber intelligent folks who are in power seem to know everything yet are'nt connecting the dots and hiring more retired LE officers to not only guard their property, school, business, but also ADVISE on how to give them the best chances to protect their students/people/employees

Retired LE officers are a vital resource and just a phone call away from making something good happen for all the right reasons..

Days after the Sandy Hook tragedy, OBAMA created a National safety/security commission to come up with plans for the Prez to consider and were given about 30 days to make something happen, and the deadline of what plans they have created should be around late January 2013

Just my opinions...

 

[MyBelle]

At my school where I teach, lockdowns are practiced so many times per year (I forget how many) During these drills the teacher must lock and close the door, cover the window in the door, gather the children and huddle them into their planned spot and pray that everyone cooperates, close the window coverings, shut off the lights and calm the children to remain silent. This all must take place in a very rushed few seconds. This is a very stressful time, even when it is a practice.

From my practices prior to Dec 14th, when it was announced over the intercom that we were in lockdown mode, I never had my key readily available. I usually wear it around my neck, however the past 2 times we had a drill, I took the key off from around my neck as it was in the way of an activity that I was doing with the kids. I placed it on my desk. During the mad rush of when the drill was announced, I forgot where I placed it and had to scramble to find it. I realize now, how important these few seconds are!!!!

Since Dec 14th I have changed things in my classroom, I now always keep our classroom door locked at all times, this saves the time of finding my key and getting that door locked. I taped black construction paper on the door window and leave it there permanently. We used to huddle behind my desk in the corner, I realize now that this spot is not good enough. I cleaned out a walk in closet to make room for the class to squeeze into. These actions done permanently will save me a few seconds and give me more time to calm the children and move them into the closet. I just hope I can be as calm as some of the teachers that we have read about from Sandy Hook. Just from reading the tidbits in the media....I have learned alot!!!!!

BBM. I work in a school within a prison and taping paper over the windows either on doors or next to doors is a serious, serious security violation. The prisoners are aged 16 to 22. If an inmate were to come into my office and close the door, I still have time to hit my radio panic button and the place would go into immediate lockdown. This also happens if the inmate is in a classroom. But if guards can't see in, there would be massive amounts of time wasted trying to figure out what is going on. The window is a safety feature and please remember Lanza killed himself as soon as he was aware LE had arrived.

JMO

 

[Xavier]

I read this with the tears streaming down . This is what people are fighting for? This is freedom? They are fighting to be able to have weapons that shoot six bullets per second? Are you kidding me?

I'm wondering if any of NL's friends ever suggested to her it's a bad idea for her store those powerful assault weapons in her home with her son having so many anti social behaviors?

Just my opinon...

 

[MyBelle]

Yes I agree 1000% BOURNE----America has this wealth of well trained, honorable retired LE officers wanting to help and get involved

I'm surprised all of the uber intelligent folks who are in power seem to know everything yet are'nt connecting the dots and hiring more retired LE officers to not only guard their property, school, business, but also ADVISE on how to give them the best chances to protect their students/people/employees

Retired LE officers are a vital resource and just a phone call away from making something good happen for all the right reasons..

Days after the Sandy Hook tragedy, OBAMA created a National safety/security commission to come up with plans for the Prez to consider and were given about 30 days to make something happen, and the deadline of what plans they have created should be around late January 2013

Just my opinions...

If you think any retired LE is going to want to volunteer to sit at a desk all day in a school lobby, I've got some ocean-front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell ya dirt cheap. The cost to pay armed guards is prohibitive and totally unrealistic.

JMO

 

[popsicle]

Someone will just wait til school is dismissed, all kids have to leave school at the same time or close to and many children are sitting outside waiting to be picked up etc

and to think you now have a mom trying to defend her daughters freedom of speech

http://www.businessinsider.com/student-suspended-over-adam-lanza-poem-2012-12

The school hasn't yet commented on the issue but said in a letter to Webb's mother that the poem violated the school's zero-tolerance policy.

Zero tolerance for what?

 

[fran]

ATTENTION PLEASE!

I don't really understand why we keep having to repeat the same rule for this series of threads:

No gun control discussion on this thread please.

We have opened a thread in the private section to bring up this issue:

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fran

 

[flipflop]

BBM. I work in a school within a prison and taping paper over the windows either on doors or next to doors is a serious, serious security violation. The prisoners are aged 16 to 22. If an inmate were to come into my office and close the door, I still have time to hit my radio panic button and the place would go into immediate lockdown. This also happens if the inmate is in a classroom. But if guards can't see in, there would be massive amounts of time wasted trying to figure out what is going on. The window is a safety feature and please remember Lanza killed himself as soon as he was aware LE had arrived.

JMO

Im sure it must be in the prison that you teach in.

It is in many school lockdown procedures, all windows must be covered.

 

[Xavier]

They are reporting that AL's body has been claimed.

Lanza was in the morgue for about 16 days unclaimed?

That's alot of time

I can imagine the grief, disbelief, shock and alot of anger maybe they were going through and did'nt want to deal with him and could'nt bear to see him ..as sad as that sounds

 

[MyBelle]

It is in many school lockdown procedures, all windows must be covered.

That's crazy, imo. All one has to do is move away from the window line of fire.

It's pretty clear from this tragedy that school lockdown procedures need review.

JMO

 

[Xavier]

If you think any retired LE is going to want to volunteer to sit at a desk all day in a school lobby, I've got some ocean-front property in Nebraska I'd like to sell ya dirt cheap. The cost to pay armed guards is prohibitive and totally unrealistic.

JMO

Well, in your neighborhood that may be true...but here in Cincinnati, we don't have the problem your town has of hiring retired LE for on site security...many do not work full time, and are not VOLUNTEERS as you stated, but to the property owners, businesses, banks, etc their presence and counseling advice is better than nothing at all...and they don't pay an arm and leg to hire them..

 

[callyn]

BBM. I work in a school within a prison and taping paper over the windows either on doors or next to doors is a serious, serious security violation. The prisoners are aged 16 to 22. If an inmate were to come into my office and close the door, I still have time to hit my radio panic button and the place would go into immediate lockdown. This also happens if the inmate is in a classroom. But if guards can't see in, there would be massive amounts of time wasted trying to figure out what is going on. The window is a safety feature and please remember Lanza killed himself as soon as he was aware LE had arrived.

JMO

We're talking about an elementary school here though, not a prison classroom. IMO very, very different situations.

 

[MyBelle]

Well, in your neighborhood that may be true...but here in Cincinnati, we don't have the problem your town has of hiring retired LE for on site security...many do not work full time, and are not VOLUNTEERS as you stated, but to the property owners, businesses, banks, etc their presence and counseling advice is better than nothing at all...and they don't pay an arm and leg to hire them..

I'm sorry but I seriously doubt Cincinatti has armed guards in every elementary school. Columbine was a high school that had security and it had no impact on the slaughter that occurred there.

There is absolutely no logical rationale for putting armed guards in every school building.

JMO