Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #10

[joypath]

MAYBE the "body" is finally "gone" as in, it was cremated?
PL could have driven and taken possession of cremains???
Couldn't he?

:twocents:
Just a thought.

Modified for emphasis by moi!

the first statement: the body was removed from the OCME by an authorized agent, aka the funeral director designated by the family's choice. FULL body cremation is NOT conducted by the OCME.

IF PL took possession of cremains, it would be from the agency who arranged the cremation (funeral home, mortuary, crematorium). The possible OCME's interaction in THIS CASE with the cremation process would be to issue the cremation certificate directly from the Farmington office IF a cremation were to be conducted.
A cremation certificate signed by a medical examiner is MANDATORY for all cremations in Ct.

So quick answer to the last question: NOPE!

 

[Roxye]

Yes, hiring a vet might be a good idea, but so many have PTSD.

I have to say that as a retired teacher, I resent the idea that teachers now have to act as a SWAT team.

We are doctor, nurse, psychiatrist, social worker, provider of food and clothing, what else? We work evenings and weekends. We try to remain loving and positive no matter what.

But we are demeaned and now people want more from teachers?

Teachers are underpaid. To a degree that is a disgrace. My children's doctor gets paid 500k a year and he only sees my children, maybe 4 times a year, yet their teachers, who see them EVERYDAY during the school year, barely make above poverty level. Our priorities as a society are flip flopped. I am not saying doctors shouldn't be paid for their extensive school and expertise, what I am saying, maybe we should liken our kid's teachers to a doctor, after all, they are training our little ones in each and ever subject possible. On top of that, they are trying to herd out the ones that need help, the ones that need extra attention, the ones who need to be moved to a more advanced class.

Teachers are parents to a class room of children, or in middle/high school several hundred children's parents away from home. Why are we still not paying them as such?

 

[mikeysmommom]

You try moving 28 kindergarten kids away from a window!!!!!

I don't think it is crazy at all.

My door is closed and locked, the window is covered and someone like AL cannot see me in my classroom hurrying my kids to the safety of our closet, so he leaves our room alone and moves on.

If the window was NOT covered, he could see me and the kids and shoot out the window and bang....we are dead.

Just because the open window idea is ok with your prison school, doesn't mean it is ok everywhere else.

I totally agree! If the gunman see that the classroom is occupied most likely you and your students would be at an extreme disadvantage. I think it is wonderful that you are making your classroom as safe as possible for your students and yourself. I am also very sorry that you as a teacher have to be prepared for such a horrendous situation.Every second does count in a situation with a school shooter IMO.My daughter has a BA in Criminal Justice she also has her teaching certificate and can teach but either career is very worrisome to me.

 

[Xavier]

Modified for emphasis by moi!

the first statement: the body was removed from the OCME by an authorized agent, aka the funeral director designated by the family's choice. FULL body cremation is NOT conducted by the OCME.

IF PL took possession of cremains, it would be from the agency who arranged the cremation (funeral home, mortuary, crematorium). The possible OCME's interaction in THIS CASE with the cremation process would be to issue the cremation certificate directly from the Farmington office IF a cremation were to be conducted.
A cremation certificate signed by a medical examiner is MANDATORY for all cremations in Ct.

So quick answer to the last question: NOPE!

Well, good point...Cremation would maybe save the family from expanded media coverage, etc that might happen if he had a burial...Cremation sounds a lot more low key

 

[atthelake]

IMO, NL was an educated woman, who would have sought professional services for AL. I think we will find out AL has been under psychiatric care for years. What I don't know is: will LE be able to receive ALL info pertaining to his treatment.

:twocents: Just an FYI about medical records: Prior to performing a post, the OCME requests medical records as needed, gathering the information from the decedent's environment. SO if there is a collection of pharmacy bottles present within the death scene and environment, the pharmacy & prescribing HCP are contacted to confirm the details. Other medical records may/can/are often requested & provided prior and during the post mortem examination or after as the physical results are being evaluated. Other documentation can/will/may be present to assist the ME, i.e. response logs of EMS, Tx in the field, phone records/conversations of treating/responding parties, LE notes pertaining to the physical presentation of the decedent, OCME investigator(s) data/notes, photos, on-site ME evaluations, etc.

Since the MEDICAL EXAMINER is a physician/pathologist (in CT.), the decedent remains a patient per se and the MEDICAL component of the record is NOT released to the general public. Supplemental records as needed can be retrieved from licensed HCPs and reviewed by specialists within sub-specialty areas (behavioral health, genetics, etc.), again under the jurisdiction of the OME thus retaining "patient" confidentiality.

:twocents::twocents::twocents: I'm a bit biased but believe that the information provided in this "brochure" is to the point:

http://www.ct.gov/ocme/lib/ocme/documents/other/07-2011_bereavement_brochure.pdf

The process of investigation these shootings is on-going with many agencies involved, many "media" (in quotes as they are NOT all reputable main stream or um, let's just say "recognized") are seeking LEAKS & "gotchas" to make headlines by an amazing variety of means and methods!

:seeya: joypath! I am so glad to see you on this thread for WS. How fortunate we all are here to have you as you were such a contibutor to the Caylee threads. :grouphug: as you help lead us though the reality of what goes on for our education as I am sure with this case we have many newbies.

It hurts too much right now to post my differing opinions on what has been posted as to autism and asburgers....I will let others stand up for me as right now I have gone into my shell due to the death of a friend, and as LG rightfully gleaned, it is hard to go against group think, although I do wish more folks here would rebell and shout strongly the widely ignorant opinions IMHO of autistic and asberger.. and what parents go through and what is their reality.

 

[Xavier]

Teachers are underpaid. To a degree that is a disgrace. My children's doctor gets paid 500k a year and he only sees my children, maybe 4 times a year, yet their teachers, who see them EVERYDAY during the school year, barely make above poverty level. Our priorities as a society are flip flopped. I am not saying doctors shouldn't be paid for their extensive school and expertise, what I am saying, maybe we should liken our kid's teachers to a doctor, after all, they are training our little ones in each and ever subject possible. On top of that, they are trying to herd out the ones that need help, the ones that need extra attention, the ones who need to be moved to a more advanced class.

Teachers are parents to a class room of children, or in middle/high school several hundred children's parents away from home. Why are we still not paying them as such?

High School In Cincinnati teachers with a Bachelors start out in the public schools around $38k, sometimes more

Master degrees starting salaries are more around $48k- $50k/yr...which is not bad at all....I'm not sure what elementary school teachers make here..

 

[Roxye]

In Cincinnati teachers with a Bachelors start out in the public schools around $38k, sometimes more

Master degrees starting salaries are more around $48k- $50k/yr...which is not bad at all

Not bad at all? They are children's front line to education. They teach them math, science, reading, writing, and the somewhat not so simple act of dealing with other people.

Teachers deal with in the least 20 young students who have been raised in very, very different households. Some are divorced, some are estranged, some are together, others are fighting like cats and dogs. Some are involved and others refuse to even be a part of school life.

Is 38k a year really enough? These teachers deal with such a diverse amount of children and their parents ever year. IMO it is a WONDER people even want to be teachers at all anymore!

 

[iSleuth]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2012/12/18/adam-lanza-sandy-hook-student/1777525/

 

[Xavier]

I'm thinking out loud here with my girlfriend..she's wondering if anyone has suspicions if Lanza had an accomplice, an idea coming from the guy found in the woods during the shootings that LE apprehended

She also wants to know if anyone suspects Lanza was a Santanic follower or into the dark arts?

Thanks board members

 

[CHERIE.T]

Not bad at all? They are children's front line to education. They teach them math, science, reading, writing, and the somewhat not so simple act of dealing with other people.

Teachers deal with in the least 20 young students who have been raised in very, very different households. Some are divorced, some are estranged, some are together, others are fighting like cats and dogs. Some are involved and others refuse to even be a part of school life.

Is 38k a year really enough? These teachers deal with such a diverse amount of children and their parents ever year. IMO it is a WONDER people even want to be teachers at all anymore!

15 years ago my friend made 28000.00 a year. 38-50 thousand is a nice salary for a teacher. Teachers rarely teach because of the salary they make. imo

 

[bourne]

wow....really???? Since Columbine it has been law that all schools plan and practice these lockdown procedures. I really don't understand why I would not take on the responsibility of keeping my class safe....I keep them safe everyday, if a lockdown goes into play, we beef up security by following our plan in each classroom.

And yes, during a real lockdown situation, it would be a scary dangerous place.

quote:
"Teachers' jobs should solely be focus on helping students learn the skills necessary to live a quality, productive life"

...it is...but during a lockdown, we are not teaching them math...just sayin!!!!

By all means, you as a teacher should do what you feel is morally right for your own classroom situation, particularly if the lockdown drills are already mandated where you are. The places where I reside and the schools where my kids attend, we don't have lockdown drills at all.

I'm saying that I don't think it SHOULD be the responsibility of teachers because they already have their hands full with teaching academia, organizing the appropriate curricula to the relevant students, giving extra assistance to special students, etc. But obviously it is up to the schools and the teachers themselves what they choose to do to protect their students. I would assume most teachers would react similarly to you and comply with school policies regarding lockdowns. But I also think schools should not be warzones, and student safety from terrorists, mass murderers, etc. should not be the teachers' primary responsibility. Such overarching duty should be that of trained experts in public protection, e.g., police officers and guards.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'm thinking out loud here with my girlfriend..she's wondering if anyone has suspicions if Lanza had an accomplice, an idea coming from the guy found in the woods during the shootings that LE apprehended

She also wants to know if anyone suspects Lanza was a Santanic follower or into the dark arts?

Thanks board members

According to the Enquirer, LE is still investigating if AL sought an accomplice. The E said there was confirmation of his deep Satanic worship. imo

 

[bourne]

Not bad at all? They are children's front line to education. They teach them math, science, reading, writing, and the somewhat not so simple act of dealing with other people.

Teachers deal with in the least 20 young students who have been raised in very, very different households. Some are divorced, some are estranged, some are together, others are fighting like cats and dogs. Some are involved and others refuse to even be a part of school life.

Is 38k a year really enough? These teachers deal with such a diverse amount of children and their parents ever year. IMO it is a WONDER people even want to be teachers at all anymore!

I agree. Teachers are UNDERPAID and their responsibilities for our kids are vast and it seems ever-expanding. Now we're expecting teachers to not only teach our kids basic skills, but also moral standards, and also protect the kids not only from school ground bullies, but also from potential mass shooters. What else do teachers have to do next?

That is why I believe trained professionals such as armed retired police officers who have experience protecting the public should be doing the formal protection of our kids, not teachers.

 

[atthelake]

I'm thinking out loud here with my girlfriend..she's wondering if anyone has suspicions if Lanza had an accomplice, an idea coming from the guy found in the woods during the shootings that LE apprehended

She also wants to know if anyone suspects Lanza was a Santanic follower or into the dark arts?

Thanks board members

No, and no.

And to touch on postings above about professionals being professionals....if the story is true....the janitor is in line IMHO for a very very bigh recognition.

But as many have stated, good friends and professionals will NOT be talking to the media. And I say kudos for that. My neighbors know me to do superficial, but I Strongly beleeive that not one of my friends would comment to media if I was in a similar place to NL.

 

[JBean]

I'm thinking out loud here with my girlfriend..she's wondering if anyone has suspicions if Lanza had an accomplice, an idea coming from the guy found in the woods during the shootings that LE apprehended

She also wants to know if anyone suspects Lanza was a Santanic follower or into the dark arts?

Thanks board members

As for the guy coming out of the woods there has been no additional information on it and so that conversation has pretty well petered out. I encourage you to search the past threads with key terms like woods and camo and perhaps you can find the prior discussion for anything that was uncovered.
As for the satanic issues
There is one report from one dude that is repeated, sourced and sensationalized about his 'satanic following. But nothing to date to substantiate. I don't think moderators have allowed it up to this point- so let's wait for another source for now.

 

[Roxye]

15 years ago my friend made 28000.00 a year. 38-50 thousand is a nice salary for a teacher. Teachers rarely teach because of the salary they make. imo

True Cherie! That doesn't mean they shouldn't be compensated fully for their part in advancing our children. Just because it was enough 15 years ago, does not make it enough in our day and age.

Teachers are expected to do more then teachers 15 year ago were expected to do.

We should pay them as such!

 

[bourne]

They'd have to screen these guys somehow... I'm not sure I'd like an armed, suicidal ex LE officer in my children's school.

lol I think the suicidal ideation likely comes AFTER the LE officer has retired for some time and only if s/he had not been able to adapt in a productive manner in retirement. If these officers nearing and post-retirement were given the opportunity to take on new roles as guardians of schools, perhaps some of them may not fall into the suicidal trap. I'm sincerely thinking of saving society two-fold: the retired police officers' happiness and health, and simultaneously help protect schools against potential violence via deterrence. Kill two birds with one stone, sort to speak, though in this case, the pun was unintended.

 

[Xavier]

15 years ago my friend made 28000.00 a year. 38-50 thousand is a nice salary for a teacher. Teachers rarely teach because of the salary they make. imo

I know several young women in their 20s who've begun their teaching careers and LOVE IT

On the other hand, older friends past 40, who've been teachers for about 20 plus years, are a little burned out from teaching...LOL

 

[SpriteGal]

There is no way to protect mass groups of people (including schools) to a tee. This tragedy is horrible. Just like the movie theater shooting, mall shootings, etc etc. You can go to Starbucks, and the next thing you know somebody is shooting up the place. I really don't think armed guards in certain places are going to help because there isn't ever going to be away to go places with out that certain risk unless you want a complete military style of armed gun men on every street corner. I know some people won't like my point of view when it comes to this, but I really don't think there is a need for a new massive overhaul of protecting children. This was a senseless tragedy, and unfortunately with these loose cannons out there there will never be a way to completely prevent it (this scares people and I understand), but there is never going to be a way to completely prevent these acts unless we start giving up our rights, and become a society with very limited freedoms. IMO

 

[Roxye]

I agree. Teachers are UNDERPAID and their responsibilities for our kids are vast and it seems ever-expanding. Now we're expecting teachers to not only teach our kids basic skills, but also moral standards, and also protect the kids not only from school ground bullies, but also from potential mass shooters. What else do teachers have to do next?

That is why I believe trained professionals such as armed retired police officers who have experience protecting the public should be doing the formal protection of our kids, not teachers.

I totally agree with you! But for some reason it seems noone wants to pay the extra protection for our children. Maybe would should pay our teachers more and give THEM the extra training and the guns to protect our children.

I would be happy for a teacher to be paid 75k a year, if they went to semi annual gun training and carried a personal weapon on their bodies at all times. Let me repeat... ON THEIR BODIES AT ALL TIMES.

Not ever teacher would agree, and that would be okay. But I believe most would, and that would give HUGE indication that maybe this isn't the school to use as an example of (school shooters) rage targets!