Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #11

[Sonya610]

Article that talks about disturbing pictures NL found 2 weeks before the massacre:

Just two weeks before the Newtown shooting, Nancy discovered ghastly and sinister pictures in her son’s room featuring dead bodies, but she did not confront him.

“One (drawing) had a woman clutching a religious item, like rosary beads, and holding a child, and she was getting all shot up in the back with blood flying everywhere,” a friend said.

“Nancy was disturbed, really disturbed, but didn’t confront him,” he said. “She wanted to think it over.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...uesome-images-article-1.1310276#ixzz2mKZd21HW

 

[michmi]

"She wanted to think it over." :facepalm:

 

[michmi]

And his mother wasn't going to put him into any facilities. Report says she even purchased an RV for him so he could sleep there after she sold the house.

My mouth fell open when I read that---he wouldn't stay in a hotel. The extent of her enabling is stupendous.

 

[x_files]

"She wanted to think it over." :facepalm:

Thanks to her lack of better judgement others have lost their children to her ill son. It's really hard not to blame the mom at this point.

 

[Sonya610]

My mouth fell open when I read that---he wouldn't stay in a hotel. The extent of her enabling is stupendous.

Well realistically he needed more privacy than a hotel could provide. He needed a safe private place to keep his body count lists, dead body photos, and who all knows what else that was on his computer. Plus blacking out hotel windows with plastic bags would be frowned upon.

 

[HMSHood]

I know he showed some signs of interest in violence, but I mean everyone on this site could be portrayed as obsessed with violence. I read about all these crimes and post about them. I agree the tally of shooting deaths is scary, but how old was that? Playing violent videogames or writing a violent story as a child is also not a huge red flag. Many, many kids do that and don't take it further. If it comes out he was making a lot of threats or attacking people, that would be different. Or if he'd written a manifesto like Cho detailing an obsession with violence, or posted on forums dedicated to violence. In context, the stuff on his computer looks ominous, but it really isn't that different than what is on a lot of kids' computers.

I thought it was initially reported that his mom had felt he was no longer in control and was looking at facilities, and his anger may have been pushed to a boiling point as a reaction to the fact that he was very against that? Did that turn out to be erroneous?

Seung-Hui Cho raised red flags from taking pictures under the desk and stalking people. As for Adam Lanza, he feared loss of control and that instance of Nancy Lanza looking for a place to put Lanza in was just one of the many things Lanza feared. Lanza bottled up his anger for a long time. I do wonder if anyone recalls if Lanza made anything threatening prior to the massacre.

There is a book coming out about Sandy Hook Massacre.

Lanza's descent to madness and murder: Sandy Hook shooter notched up 83,000 online kills including 22,000 'head shots' using violent games to train himself for his massacre
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ter-Adam-Lanza-83k-online-kills-massacre.html

NEWTOWN: Exclusive book excerpts detail how Adam Lanza massacred 20 children and six adults
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...pts-detail-newtown-massacre-article-1.1534303

This caught my attention.

Some time before 9:30 a.m. Adam Lanza pulled out of the driveway at 36 Yogananda Street for the last time. Though unconfirmed at the time of this writing, there’s reason to suggest that Adam’s initial target was the Newtown High School, less than four miles away on Berkshire Road. According to a source familiar with the investigation, Adam Lanza’s car was believed to have been identified on the school surveillance footage circling the school parking lot. The official believed Adam spotted two police cars, which were parked in the lot, and decided to move on. The official had not seen the actual footage.

 

[jjenny]

I think the idea that high school ever was his target has been debunked.
He even went to Sandy Hook school a day before the shooting based on what recently released report says. Presumably he was checking out the route (since he hasn't been driving much).

"The report also illuminates the lengths to which Lanza went in planning the killings. GPS routes found on a device he purchased showed that he had scouted out Sandy Hook elementary school the day before he carried out the attacks."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/25/sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza-report

 

[x_files]

My mouth fell open when I read that---he wouldn't stay in a hotel. The extent of her enabling is stupendous.

What about sending to his dad's or to an institution? It seems they could afford to get him proper help. yikes

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yeah, she enabled him so much .. maybe she was actually afraid of him, oh no wait, if she was she would have got rid of all the guns. It makes no damn sense does it?

 

[jjenny]

Yeah, she enabled him so much .. maybe she was actually afraid of him, oh no wait, if she was she would have got rid of all the guns. It makes no damn sense does it?

Her Christmas present to him was going to be yet another gun. Doesn't sound like she was afraid of him, does it?
I don't know what she was thinking.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Her Christmas present to him was going to be yet another gun. Doesn't sound like she was afraid of him, does it?
I don't know what she was thinking.

Me either. Guess at some stage she decided just to give him whatever he wanted.

 

[jjenny]

Me either. Guess at some stage she decided just to give him whatever he wanted.

Sounds like that stage started at his birth.

 

[Elley Mae]

Her Christmas present to him was going to be yet another gun. Doesn't sound like she was afraid of him, does it?
I don't know what she was thinking.

bbm, She wasn't

It's my opinion that her being with him day in and day out that she really didn't see it the way we see it. I do think his breakdown was brought on by news of the move. He did not want his world (cocoon) to end.

http://www.themercury.com.au/im-los...zas-mother-nancy/story-fnj3twbb-1226539695762

One friend said Mrs Lanza, 52, had confided that Adam was "getting worse" days before Friday’s killings, adding: "I'm worried I'm losing him."

idk jmo

 

[Brightbird]

bbm, She wasn't

It's my opinion that her being with him day in and day out that she really didn't see it the way we see it. I do think his breakdown was brought on by news of the move. He did not want his world (cocoon) to end.

http://www.themercury.com.au/im-los...zas-mother-nancy/story-fnj3twbb-1226539695762

One friend said Mrs Lanza, 52, had confided that Adam was "getting worse" days before Friday’s killings, adding: "I'm worried I'm losing him."

idk jmo

This is how I see it too. It's hard to believe she was so oblivious. Apparently she still thought he might get a job or go back to college. I think she overestimated his ability to function normally. I go back and forth between feeling sad that she didn't have more external support and seeing her as ignorant and blameless, to thinking she had a responsibility to get him help and encouraging his violent interests was reckless of her. Even though action on her part would probably have caused a bigger rift between her and Adam, she should have that aside. It was the perfect recipe to create a mass murderer given his violent fantasies. I totally agree that the move was the trigger. His life as he knew it was over. I don't think he could contemplate a different life. Why he had to shoot so many school children will stay a mystery to me.

 

[lawstudent]

I saw an article that said his dad took him shooting as well before their estrangement - maybe they are both totally nuts, but apparently neither thought he was going to shoot anyone. Denial is a powerful thing, but still.

 

[colette]

I don't think he had much interaction with his mother at the end. He only communicated through email.

 

[liljim]

I don't think he had much interaction with his mother at the end. He only communicated through email.

does the report state when it was that this took place? i dont remember it being specific.

i just remember it saying something about there was a 3 month period where they barely spoke and communicated by email.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

What about sending to his dad's or to an institution? It seems they could afford to get him proper help. yikes

It's been stated before on the threads about this case, but coincidentally I just happened to be reading about this today in connection with my work, and it is virtually impossible to institutionalize someone unless there is clear and convincing evidence that they are a danger to themselves or others.

Spreadsheets about mass murderers, pictures of dead bodies, stories about homicidal grandmothers, garbage bags over windows, etc., do not constitute such evidence.

Just jumping off from the post.

 

[jjenny]

It's been stated before on the threads about this case, but coincidentally I just happened to be reading about this today in connection with my work, and it is virtually impossible to institutionalize someone unless there is clear and convincing evidence that they are a danger to themselves or others.

Spreadsheets about mass murderers, pictures of dead bodies, stories about homicidal grandmothers, garbage bags over windows, etc., do not constitute such evidence.

Just jumping off from the post.

Which is likely why we have so many mass shootings.

 

[colette]

does the report state when it was that this took place? i dont remember it being specific.

i just remember it saying something about there was a 3 month period where they barely spoke and communicated by email.

Nancy allowed him to avoid speaking to her for the three months before he carried out his massacre even though they shared the same house in Sandy Hook.

The 20-year-old would only communicate with her by email meaning there would have been awkward silences around the breakfast table or as they passed each other on the stairs.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-83k-online-kills-massacre.html#ixzz2mNp54Nz9
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