Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #11

[HMSHood]

I think it's understandable why people look for severe mental illness to explain AL's actions, and it is possible, however considering the amount of planning he did along with the very deliberate destroying of motivational evidence, along with the calculated murder of his mother beforehand I think that is unlikely now.

I think he'd been planning it for years.

Adam Lanza had planned the massacre since 2010. Rampage killers do not snap, they are premeditating. I read he originally was going to target Newtown High School, but there were police, so he went to Sandy Hook Elementary School.

I think he was going to target the high school first, but than changed as he realized if there are police, it would be stopped sooner. Now that leads me, did Lanza have a specific target?

 

[liljim]

Adam Lanza had planned the massacre since 2010. Rampage killers do not snap, they are premeditating. I read he originally was going to target Newtown High School, but there were police, so he went to Sandy Hook Elementary School.

I think he was going to target the high school first, but than changed as he realized if there are police, it would be stopped sooner. Now that leads me, did Lanza have a specific target?

any links for this theory?

all i have seen regarding this is that someone reported they saw a car similar to his near the high school that morning but it was then discounted as being him.

is there more evidence to suggest this?

i do agree that there is evidence that he was considering something like this for some time, i dont recall seeing any dates in the report regarding when they can first identify that he was researching school shootings.

not directed at you;

i disagree with the sentiment that he was not significantly mentally ill, i think he clearly was and that was the main factor in why this happened.

its hard to call it sympathy or compassion but - if we compare columbine and newtown, i have infinitely more "understanding" (maybe that is the best word for it) for adam lanza than for klebold and harris.

 

[HMSHood]

any links for this theory?

all i have seen regarding this is that someone reported they saw a car similar to his near the high school that morning but it was then discounted as being him.

is there more evidence to suggest this?

i do agree that there is evidence that he was considering something like this for some time, i dont recall seeing any dates in the report regarding when they can first identify that he was researching school shootings.

not directed at you;

i disagree with the sentiment that he was not significantly mentally ill, i think he clearly was and that was the main factor in why this happened.

its hard to call it sympathy or compassion but - if we compare columbine and newtown, i have infinitely more "understanding" (maybe that is the best word for it) for adam lanza than for klebold and harris.

‘NEWTOWN: An American Tragedy’ — Top 5 Revelations of New Sandy Hook Book
http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/12/newtown-an-american-tragedy-sandy-hook-book-review/

2. Some Police Believe Lanza's Initial Target Was Newtown High School
In an excerpt posted in the New York Daily News on Monday, Lysiak writes that, according to a source familiar with the investigation, on the morning of the shooting Adam Lanza's car was identified on Newton High School's surveillance footage. His car circled the parking lot, before departing minutes later. The source told Lysiak he believes "Adam spotted [the] two police cars, which were parked in the lot, and decided to move on."

NEWTOWN: Exclusive book excerpts detail how Adam Lanza massacred 20 children and six adults
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...town-massacre-article-1.1534303#ixzz2mS2QyWIO

Some time before 9:30 a.m. Adam Lanza pulled out of the driveway at 36 Yogananda Street for the last time. Though unconfirmed at the time of this writing, there’s reason to suggest that Adam’s initial target was the Newtown High School, less than four miles away on Berkshire Road. According to a source familiar with the investigation, Adam Lanza’s car was believed to have been identified on the school surveillance footage circling the school parking lot. The official believed Adam spotted two police cars, which were parked in the lot, and decided to move on. The official had not seen the actual footage.

 

[liljim]

thanx hood!

yeah thats what i have seen before, and i read that the video was discounted as being his car but i have no link for that, maybe someone else knows.

 

[StephanieH]

I didn't wonder about Jani's parents until they started saying that Bodhi had serious mental health issues as well. Yes, schizophrenia *can* run in families, but it is unlikely that they have two children who both have serious mental health issues at such a young ages.

 

[jjenny]

any links for this theory?

all i have seen regarding this is that someone reported they saw a car similar to his near the high school that morning but it was then discounted as being him.

is there more evidence to suggest this?

i do agree that there is evidence that he was considering something like this for some time, i dont recall seeing any dates in the report regarding when they can first identify that he was researching school shootings.

not directed at you;

i disagree with the sentiment that he was not significantly mentally ill, i think he clearly was and that was the main factor in why this happened.

its hard to call it sympathy or compassion but - if we compare columbine and newtown, i have infinitely more "understanding" (maybe that is the best word for it) for adam lanza than for klebold and harris.

I am pretty sure that theory was debunked. There is nothing on it in a recently released report. Furthemore, they discovered he drove to Sandy Hook school the day before. So it appears Sandy Hook was always his target.

 

[time]

Not sure if this was linked before. It has a LOT of information about AL's disturbed behaviors going back to kindergarten, and how NL handled Adam's issues with the schools. AL was "tagged" by school personnel for special education and an IEP during his kindergarten year-- well before his formal diagnosis of Aspergers. The article is the prelude to the video airing Tuesday.

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...sing-adam-lanza-20130217,0,5614292,full.story

Good article...this one is also good:

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/ra...ading-up-to-the-massacre-at-newtown-1.1446371

I have to say I find Nancy to be one big conundrum'

Excerpts from link above

Novia called Nancy Lanza only once to come to the school, but other administrators frequently requested her presence. She could be at the high school as many as two or three times a week dealing with Adam's behavior issues, Novia said.

But as Adam entered his sophomore year at Newtown High School, Novia thought the boy was making progress.

Adam "would master (technical tasks) very quickly. But still to get him to speak one or two words, it was very, very hard," Novia said. "But over time I was able to get closer and closer to him, to a point where I felt that I could sit next to him and he wouldn't pull away."

He said Nancy Lanza recognized the progress and acknowledged it.
"Yes, she did. She saw it working," he said. "Not just her. Administrators, teachers, all the students that were around him would report that slowly, but surely, he was coming out."

Novia left the Newtown school district after 15 years of service in July 2008. He established a private-investigations company in Spring Hill, Tenn. He said he was stunned to learn after the shootings at Sandy Hook that Nancy Lanza had removed Adam from high school following the boy's sophomore year.

"So suddenly, when she pulls him out of there, he loses all those support groups," Novia said. "He loses the tech club team he was involved in. He loses friends that he had made to a limited degree. He loses his special ed, he loses his school psychologist, he loses the devoted school administrators."

According to a person who has been in touch with Peter Lanza recently, Nancy Lanza never told Adam's father about any frustration with the school. The person spoke on the condition that he not be named.

Novia said he was also surprised that Nancy exposed her son to firearms.

 

[i.b.nora]

I think this might have already been posted but, Ben Wheeler's parents were on Rachel Maddow's show tonight and talked about this past year for them and their surviving son. They also talked about the My Sandy Hook Family website:

http://mysandyhookfamily.org

 

[StephanieH]

I still can't read their stories without tearing up.

I remember one of the parents talking a day or two afterwards-I think it was Chase's dad? He kept referring to his son in present tense. That tore me up.

 

[keyleigh]

It's the 14th here. My heart aches for the families and community of Newtown today. I will light a candle tonight in memory of all the victims. X

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Good article...this one is also good:

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/ra...ading-up-to-the-massacre-at-newtown-1.1446371

I have to say I find Nancy to be one big conundrum'

Excerpts from link above

I think that's typical for a father to blame the mother not notifying him of his child's problems at school. <modsnip>

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Me and my double posts

 

[Jovi Girl]

I think that's typical for a father to blame the mother not notifying him of his child's problems at school. Dad was off somewhere starting a new family so why would he know anything about the kids he threw away?

Sorry, but I haven`t seen anything about him " throwing away" Adam and his brother. From what I have read, they divorced in 2010. Adam was 17.That is an unfair statement. My husband and I are together, yet I usually deal with the school stuff. He goes to the concerts, shows ,events the kids are in, but if something was wrong and I didn't want him to know, he wouldn't. This is common with families where dad works a lot.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Sorry, but I haven`t seen anything about him " throwing away" Adam and his brother. From what I have read, they divorced in 2010. Adam was 17.That is an unfair statement. My husband and I are together, yet I usually deal with the school stuff. He goes to the concerts, shows ,events the kids are in, but if something was wrong and I didn't want him to know, he wouldn't. This is common with families where dad works a lot.

Do you think it's fair he is attempting to place the place blame upon the deceased mother? For whatever reason, Mr. Lanza didn't know of his child's problems. We can call it denial to be nice.

Any involved father wouldn't have to be notified by their ex wife that there were problems of this magnitude with their child.

 

[LambChop]

Do you think it's fair he is attempting to place the place blame upon the deceased mother? For whatever reason, Mr. Lanza didn't know of his child's problems. We can call it denial to be nice.

Any involved father wouldn't have to be notified by their ex wife that there were problems of this magnitude with their child.

I did not take his statement as his "blaming" her. Just that he was not aware of the problems Nancy was having with Adam because she did not share that information with him. It appears Nancy felt she could handle Adam on her own and wanted no interference from her ex. Even the judge told him any decisions about Adam were Nancy's and Nancy's alone. She had full power and control over her son and it appears that is what she wanted.

Mr. Lanza was still very active in his son's life even though they were separated by taking quality time to spend with both his sons. It's unknown why Adam suddenly broke off his relationship with both his father and his brother. What was going on in Adam's mind could not have been predicted by anyone, I might imagine. I agree it's not fair to blame the mother for not anticipating he would kill her. How could she even consider he would do that to her when she devoted her whole life to him. jmo

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I did not take his statement as his "blaming" her. Just that he was not aware of the problems Nancy was having with Adam because she did not share that information with him. It appears Nancy felt she could handle Adam on her own and wanted no interference from her ex. Even the judge told him any decisions about Adam were Nancy's and Nancy's alone. She had full power and control over her son and it appears that is what she wanted.



Mr. Lanza was still very active in his son's life even though they were separated by taking quality time to spend with both his sons. It's unknown why Adam suddenly broke off his relationship with both his father and his brother. What was going on in Adam's mind could not have been predicted by anyone, I might imagine. I agree it's not fair to blame the mother for not anticipating he would kill her. How could she even consider he would do that to her when she devoted her whole life to him. jmo

Notwithstanding all the obvious signs that something was just not right with Adam, did the subject of schoolwork or school life not come up in one of these quality time visits? I admit I do not know the whole backstory of this family. Did he sign away his parental rights?

I agree whole heartedly that judging a parent for their child's actions is wrong. That's why I found the father's statement distasteful. Especially since she paid the full price for her naivety.

 

[chlban]

MaybeNotToday;10042575 I

agree whole heartedly that judging a parent for their child's actions is wrong. That's why I found the father's statement distasteful. Especially since she paid the full price for her naivety

I think judging a parent by the childs actions is sometimes wrong. Sometimes
not. Personally I think teaching any child to treat gun use as sport is ridiculous, but when you do so with a clearly disturbed young man and have guns readily accessible for the same clearly disturbed young man, you do have some responsibility for the outcome.

Yes, she paid the full price for her lack of judgement. Sorry, but my sympathy in this case is reserved for the innocent victims. No, I don't think Nancy deserved to die for her actions, but neither do I believe she is completely "innocent". She made guns readily accessible to her clearly sick kid.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

MaybeNotToday;10042575 I



I think judging a parent by the childs actions is sometimes wrong. Sometimes

not. Personally I think teaching any child to treat gun use as sport is ridiculous, but when you do so with a clearly disturbed young man and have guns readily accessible for the same clearly disturbed young man, you do have some responsibility for the outcome.



Yes, she paid the full price for her lack of judgement. Sorry, but my sympathy in this case is reserved for the innocent victims. No, I don't think Nancy deserved to die for her actions, but neither do I believe she is completely "innocent". She made guns readily accessible to her clearly sick kid.

Oh most definitely agree that she dropped the ball somewhere. But so did his dad IMO.

 

[LambChop]

Notwithstanding all the obvious signs that something was just not right with Adam, did the subject of schoolwork or school life not come up in one of these quality time visits? I admit I do not know the whole backstory of this family. Did he sign away his parental rights?

I agree whole heartedly that judging a parent for their child's actions is wrong. That's why I found the father's statement distasteful. Especially since she paid the full price for her naivety.

Because Nancy was the primary caretaker of the children, she either petitioned the court to be the decision maker, or the judge decided on his own that the father could make suggestions but the final say was with the mother. PL may have felt confident that Nancy was quite capable of handling Adam at the time because she was so dedicated to her sons. From Nancy's emails it is clear she had a controlling personality. If she failed to inform her ex about Adam her reasoning may be forever unknown to us.

I did not see anything distasteful in what the father stated other than he stated the truth. I did not read into the statement that he blamed her, just that he was unaware of what was going on. He could very well be blaming himself for not insisting on knowing what was happening even though his son shut him off. But from Nancy's emails I formed the opinion that she was in charge and was not looking for support from anyone, including her ex (i.e., her not informing anyone in her family that she was ill). Some people feel that no one is quite as equal to the task as them. Nancy may very well have felt she had it all under control until those last weeks. She also may have been too close to the problem to recognize there was an immediate danger.

We can all sit and go through what we know about Adam and his mother because we can see some of the red flags. Adam's family may not have seen it because those close to him felt he was not dangerous. The only person responsible for what he did was Adam. jmo

 

[Frigga]

Because Adam had become so isolated and because he had cut contact with his father and brother I feel Nancy had more of a responsibility to check in on what was happening in his living quarters.

The young man was clearly and visibly anorexic, IMO and he had lost all outside contact with schools and stimulation. She had every right and it was her responsibility to know, see, hear and face exactly what was going on in his room.

It was her responsibility as the apparently sole human contact in his life! How it got to that, I will never understand, but I do and will hold her accountable.

I am sorry she paid with her life but many innocent children and women were brutally murdered by her enabling, coddling, denying whatever- all the while taking trips for herself and keeping her own social calendar a flutter.

I do not understand how she is given such a pass by so many. Yes he was an "adult" in the eyes of the law but he certainly wasn't. She WAS, and he was in her care and under her control, financially, physically etc. SHE held the power. She could have done so many things... too many to list.