Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

[Ricki]

Toward the bottom of the DM article here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...us-turned-heartless-killer.html#ixzz2FBi8lE9X

The world's not ending Friday as

1. The world's just not going to end Friday
2. The Mayans never "prophesied" the world was ending Friday

I do feel sympathy for those caught up in the paranoid lifestyle; sympathy, but no empathy. Beliefs like this only offer an excuse for narcissistic exercises in personal calamity which eventually may spill over and affect quality of life.

Thank you. That article is packed with lots of information I have not seen.

 

[ami]

I don't think it matters what his mom was/wasn't. This wasn't an attack on a government building that was threatening their lively hood. And I'm pretty sure 6 year olds are not a threat to anyone. He was 20, a legal adult and he was the shooter, not his mother. JMO

She was the only person in AL's life. He didn't speak to his father, he was estranged from his brother, he had no friends, he didn't like to leave the house, he never even met the landscaper who worked 50 feet away.... his mother was THE person in his life. I think her state of mind is hugely important. Also it was her guns he used. She apparently took him target shooting. He gunned down babies with her gun... I think it's really important to look at her state of mind and her actions, because her story is woven through her son's and twined together.

And not because she was guilty of anything more than making parenting choices some wouldn't have --- clearly she's a victim of the killer, too. His first victim. There is information in those connections. I think there are ways we can explore that respectfully.

 

[Trident]

I think this is a real warning sign of insanity.

http://emergency.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies.asp

But, you see, I don't. As many people as there are discussing here, there are an equal number of opinions - that's why I believe we should have a seperate thread.

 

[Trident]

She was the only person in AL's life. He didn't speak to his father, he was estranged from his brother, he had no friends, he didn't like to leave the house, he never even met the landscaper who worked 50 feet away.... his mother was THE person in his life. I think her state of mind is hugely important. Also it was her guns he used. She apparently took him target shooting. He gunned down babies with her gun... I think it's really important to look at her state of mind and her actions, because her story is woven through her son's and twined together.

And not because she was guilty of anything more than making parenting choices some wouldn't have --- clearly she's a victim of the killer, too. His first victim. There is information in those connections. I think there are ways we can explore that respectfully.

ITA, and I wish we could/would, in a seperate thread on mental illness, or personality disorders, or . . . or, whatever we come up with.

 

[Trident]

Toward the bottom of the DM article here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...us-turned-heartless-killer.html#ixzz2FBi8lE9X

The world's not ending Friday as

1. The world's just not going to end Friday
2. The Mayans never "prophesied" the world was ending Friday

I do feel sympathy for those caught up in the paranoid lifestyle; sympathy, but no empathy. Beliefs like this only offer an excuse for narcissistic exercises in personal calamity which eventually may spill over and affect quality of life.

BBM I don't know for sure what her lifestyle was, nor do I believe anyone here does. If someone wants to prepare for catastrophy, I do not see them as paranoid or narcissistic. It seems obvious, to me, that AL had problems many years prior.

Whew, I see this becoming a bit unfriendly.

 

[Ricki]

No, No unfriendliness, We all have our own opinions and with all the information and misinformation it is hard to explain what happened here and I doubt we will ever know everything. We are all just brainstorming and trying to find reasons. This is shocking to all of us.

 

[wfgodot]

BBM I don't know for sure what her lifestyle was, nor do I believe anyone here does. If someone wants to prepare for catastrophy, I do not see them as paranoid or narcissistic. It seems obvious, to me, that AL had problems many years prior.

Whew, I see this becoming a bit unfriendly.

I was speaking in general, though I do stand by my definition of a certain kind of lifestyle. It reminds me of those who dug fallout shelters in the '50s so they alone would survive nuclear holocaust, neighbors be damned.

 

[iSleuth]

Can anyone explain to me whats all the talking about a landscaper?
Sorry I dont have the time to read back all those pages I missed since last night.. though I would love to.

He was on the news, said several pretty pointed things. I will try to find a video clip.

_ he said he knew her for years
_ she was really really into guns...called her a collector
_ said "she" said her son was AntiSocial and did not like to come out of the house

 

[ami]

Can anyone explain to me whats all the talking about a landscaper?
Sorry I dont have the time to read back all those pages I missed since last night.. though I would love to.

In the 48 hours news special, they interviewed the Lanza's landscaper. He said he'd become friendly with Nancy Lanza over the years, but he had never met Adam Lanza (the killer) because he apparently didn't like to come outside. The landscaper said that NL would complain about her xH and he could tell she still carried a lot of negative feelings toward him (paraphrasing). He also said she liked guns, and that she would take her sons target shooting.

So... take that for what it's worth - he's just one of the few people relatively close to NL that was interviewed.

 

[Trident]

Just my observation, I live in nearby NY. Fairfield County CT is Stepford. They filmed the movie in nearby Ridgefield. I have worked there and always hated it. It's all about "appearances" very shallow. All the homes are pristine with great attention to landscaping.
Most women have wealthy absentee husbands that work in finance in NYC. The kids are spoiled rotten. These folks have vacant eyes, it's very hard to engage. I worked in sales and dealt with them every day. There's an "emptiness" about them.

As you drive through these towns you can see how "perfect" the homes appear. Painted, clean, landscaped. It's their outward appearance that means everything to them. They have no souls. 2 cents.

My heart does go out to all affected. Big wake up call for these Stepford wives that fled NYC after 911. They left because they could afford it. They left and fled north to feel safe. Big awakening IMHO.

:twocents::twocents::twocents:

Wow, I always thought it meant they took pride in the appearance of their property, were professionals, and probably made more money than the rest of us. I lived in the town next door, and let me tell you, there was a LOT of money in the area.

The only problem I ever had living there (5 bedroom home on 1/4 acre) was the snobbishness, yet my best friend had a 4 karat diamond ring with an heir for a husband. Sometimes you gotta understand where you/they are.

Phony? Maybe. Who knows, I sure don't.

 

[tk71texas]

B]Thanks for replying, Ricki, our brother is real similar to yours...Our brother has turned music up loud and took a golf club and smashed his bedroom windows when younger....when he was younger he was out of control, we've called 911 for police intervention about 50 times

But now he's in his 40s, so none of that out of control stuff goes on anymore

Schizo-affective we were told hits young men in their late teens, our brother was diagnosed at 19.....Do the best you can and it sounds like you have given alot of support,love....It's nothing short of sainthood...I'm sure your friends are amazed at what challenges you have to put up with sometimes....I get that...LOL

God Bless[/B]

My sister's boyfriend was hospitalized and diagnosed with schizophrenia a couple of years ago.....my nephew was just a newborn and he was telling my sis about voices in his head. I am totally freaked out about this. They have since had another baby. They live with my mom and he stays home because of the meds, he can't work. I refuse to stay with my mom when i visit choosing to stay in a hotel instead.....the whole voices thing just weirds me out along with all the true crime i follow i guess.

 

[italianWSfan]

thank you all for the replies. Its amazing how quick you all are.
I wondered if that guy was Nancys boyfriend or something but coudnt find anything via google using the term "landscaper" (I have never heard this word) :blushing:

 

[ami]

BBM I don't know for sure what her lifestyle was, nor do I believe anyone here does. If someone wants to prepare for catastrophy, I do not see them as paranoid or narcissistic. It seems obvious, to me, that AL had problems many years prior.

Whew, I see this becoming a bit unfriendly.

I don't see the preparation for catastrophe as necessarily paranoid either (depending on the catastrophe... zombie apocalypse vs hurricane, etc). I don't even think that NL's fears of financial collapse were necessarily signs of any madness. I just think the intersection of that fear (whether real or imagined) with the mental illness of her son could have been one of the loose rocks on the slippery slope.

Not in a blame sort of way, just in a "what were the steps the killer's mind took to get to the door of the school with an automatic rifle" sort of way.

 

[Ricki]

thank you all for the replies. Its amazing how quick you all are.
I wondered if that guy was Nancys boyfriend or something but coudnt find anything via google using the term "landscaper" (I have never heard this word) :blushing:

A landscaper is someone who takes care of lawns, yards, schrubs.

 

[ami]

thank you all for the replies. Its amazing how quick you all are.
I wondered if that guy was Nancys boyfriend or something but coudnt find anything via google using the term "landscaper" (I have never heard this word) :blushing:

I don't know, he seemed a little sketchy but who on earth could come across normal when being interviewed about such horrific things? I won't pass judgment... however I did think he was at times choosing his words carefully so as not to offend... I felt like he had a lot he COULD have said, but was mentally reviewing it all and choosing specific things. Just an impression I got. Like... if you had beers with him at the local pub, he would have a lot more to say about it than he chose to on the news. JMO.

(landscaper = keeps the yard, grass, flowers, bushes and trees trimmed and pretty)

 

[Trident]

I was speaking in general, though I do stand by my definition of a certain kind of lifestyle. It reminds me of those who dug fallout shelters in the '50s so they alone would survive nuclear holocaust, neighbors be damned.

So, they were supposed to dig a bigger sherlter for the entire neighborhood?

In the seventies I moved to a very isolated area of New York and made a totally self-sufficient lifestyle, although we only had one shotgun for hunting. I was somewhat of a survivalist, and I have no apologies to make, nor should I have to. I can hunt, milk a cow, pluck a chicken, grown my own food, and can it. I don't feel mentally ill or narcissistic at all, I feel empowered in case of emergency.

However, this is getting off the topic, I think. Nancy is dead, killed by her own son who had problems, who then went and murdered innocent children. I don't see how any of THIS is contributing to the discussion.

I believe we need seperate threads. We are so off topic.

 

[BunnyHop]

But, you see, I don't. As many people as there are discussing here, there are an equal number of opinions - that's why I believe we should have a seperate thread.

I have posted this also. Separate thread for politics.

 

[BunnyHop]

Wow, I always thought it meant they took pride in the appearance of their property, were professionals, and probably made more money than the rest of us. I lived in the town next door, and let me tell you, there was a LOT of money in the area.

The only problem I ever had living there (5 bedroom home on 1/4 acre) was the snobbishness, yet my best friend had a 4 karat diamond ring with an heir for a husband. Sometimes you gotta understand where you/they are.

Phony? Maybe. Who knows, I sure don't.

Phony yes. It's all superficial IMHO. Yes very "snobby". My personal observation. New paradigm? Yep, for all of us. JMHO.

 

[Donjeta]

She was the only person in AL's life. He didn't speak to his father, he was estranged from his brother, he had no friends, he didn't like to leave the house, he never even met the landscaper who worked 50 feet away.... his mother was THE person in his life. I think her state of mind is hugely important. Also it was her guns he used. She apparently took him target shooting. He gunned down babies with her gun... I think it's really important to look at her state of mind and her actions, because her story is woven through her son's and twined together.

And not because she was guilty of anything more than making parenting choices some wouldn't have --- clearly she's a victim of the killer, too. His first victim. There is information in those connections. I think there are ways we can explore that respectfully.

This is the reason the quote from the aunt sticks with me. The one who said that NL wasn't the kind of person who would stick her head in the sand and she would have sought mental health help for her son if he needed it.
It's possible that she had in fact sought help and the aunt just wasn't aware of it if they had infrequent contact but if she hadn't because she didn't think he needed it then this was the baseline of normal for them...

 

[palaminodee]

article on Vicki
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/newtown-teacher-vicki-soto-remembered-article-1.1221004