Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #6

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  • #881
Here's another little tid-bit that you all should really - factually - find out about your individual districts.

Our school district here does not pre-employment drug test teachers. Yep. You read that right. Everyone else here is. Cafeteria workers, custodians, clerical staff in the office, etc. But teachers, substitutes and principals are not.

I know - it truly is unbelievable. I've told people and they call me a liar - I tell them to go make some phone calls and they usually get back to me with a "sorry".

Its a teacher's union thing - I don't get it - never have - never will. As a parent it bugged the hello outta me that my child was safer with the cafeteria lady than she was with her teacher in the classroom all day.

I have looked at schools all around the country - some do - some don't. There are quite a few districts now in Florida that do. But there are still a lot that don't. And that's everywhere.

I'm talking about drug tests - not background checks. Background checks are pretty mandatory all over the country. But - FGS you can't get a job at McDonald's nowadays without taking a drug test - yet here, in sunny South FloriDUH your kids teacher isn't required to do that.

Make any sense?


So, in your discussions with principals and districts - that's a question I would be asking and making sure I understood it as a "yes they are" or "no they aren't" answer.

Most professional jobs do not have drug testing. At that point they consider your livelihood to be your preventative. You've invested years into your education and career, and presumably aren't going to be flippant with your investment.

It does not bother me at all that our teachers don't get drug tested. Is that weird? I've also never asked my doctor, responsible for my life, to submit to a drug test.

I don't know, doesn't bother me at all.

OTOH- I totally agree about the different security issues you mentioned in another post. When we do fire drills and such, I always have the same thoughts of us all being vulnerable. There are so many ways to look at it, and there doesn't seem to be a good one size fits all solution that society would be willing to invest in. :(
 
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
I have a feeling that AXXX's mom felt she could handle his problems all by herself. This is NEVER the case with someone who is severely mentally ill. Family members benefit from resources and mental health workers working WITH them.
Well now she is doing that. She is reaching out to the community at large isnt she?

RSBM

NO! - she's not doing anything now ... she's DEAD ... at the hands of her MURDEROUS son ... who HEINOUSLY CHOSE to KILL and take INNOCENT women and children with him ... so NO, whatever action she should have taken DIDN'T HAPPEN!

We are just left with the fall out ... including grieving families, grieving community and a grieving nation as a whole.

We are left to scramble and hope to be prepared enough to thwart/minimize the next murderous attack due to inaction, when the next obviously ticking time-bomb explodes in another community.
 
  • #884
Hoping that families of potential time-bombs are scrambling with even more urgency than communities in general.
 
  • #885
RSBM

NO! - she's not doing anything now ... she's DEAD ... at the hands of her MURDEROUS son ... who HEINOUSLY CHOSE to KILL and take INNOCENT women and children with him ... so NO, whatever action she should have taken DIDN'T HAPPEN!

We are just left with the fall out ... including grieving families, grieving community and a grieving nation as a whole.

We are left to scramble and hope to be prepared enough to thwart/minimize the next murderous attack due to inaction, when the next obviously ticking time-bomb explodes in another community.

There appears to have been some confusion because people were talking about NL and the blogger mom in the same posts.
 
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RSBM

NO! - she's not doing anything now ... she's DEAD ... at the hands of her MURDEROUS son ... who HEINOUSLY CHOSE to KILL and take INNOCENT women and children with him ... so NO, whatever action she should have taken DIDN'T HAPPEN!

We are just left with the fall out ... including grieving families, grieving community and a grieving nation as a whole.

We are left to scramble and hope to be prepared enough to thwart/minimize the next murderous attack due to inaction, when the next obviously ticking time-bomb explodes in another community.

Respectfully, we don't know what she did or didn't do. She didn't have him put in an institution. Could have been because the waiting lists to get him in are literally months to years long and many times, no matter how much money you have, if your insurance won't cover it, you aren't getting through the door. We don't know if he was under treatment of any kind of doctor because HIPAA prevents the release of any kind of record of that nature, even now that he's dead. Even if she put him under the care of a doctor, if you don't show up or refuse to participate in your own treatment, many of them will simply remove you from their patient rolls. She couldn't drag him to the doctor kicking and screaming, he was an adult. Even if she did, she couldn't force him to talk.

He was an adult. He was not in school. There is very little that she could have done about her son's condition, at the age he was at. In fact, she would have had very little she could do for the past two years, so I really don't see why everyone keeps blaming her.
 
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They *should* be able to pull stuff off his hard drive. Information is stored magnetically on hard drives, and even if you smash it..it's recoverable. It will take some specialized hardware and software I know the FBI has. I would believe all the "computer genius" stuff if he had just stuck a big magnet on the hard drive.

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Adam Lanza's computer sent to an FBI lab in Quantico, Va. http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...er-hard-drive-in-lanza-home-sent-to-f-b-i-lab

The damaged hard drive that authorities took from the home where Adam Lanza and his mother lived, and where he fatally shot her, has been sent to the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s computer lab in Quantico, Va., for further analysis, according to a senior law enforcement official.

Investigators have been unable to get any information off the hard drive, which they believe Mr. Lanza, who had taken computer classes at a local college, smashed in an effort to prevent the authorities from determining what he had done on the computer.


Read more at above link...
 
  • #888
Just in case some haven't seen this, it is a lovely, tear-jerking tribute to the victims. Anderson Cooper can barely get through it: http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/bestoftv/2012/12/17/ac-remembers-sandy-hook-victims.cnn

gitana thank you for this video, I had to stop watching it in the middle of AC talking about Charlotte Bacon, my 8 year old G-son came up to kiss me good morning and saw me crying, he does not need to see his grammie crying, he goes home tomorrow so I'll finish watching it after he leaves. Bless these little angels :-(
 
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I wonder when/if Nancy told AL about her diagnosis. Most reports I have seen say that she wasn't getting worse, but she was likely trying to plan for the future if and when she did get worse.

I also wonder if college wasn't just a nice code word for "group home" or "institution". Maybe AL found web searches or email exchanges that told him he wasn't going to college, he was going to a facility and that is why he smashed the computer. (Mom doesn't love me anymore, she is going to send me away.)

On that line of thinking, if she really did volunteer at the school, no one seems to really be sure, then look at all the little kids that to AL's mind, she must have seemed to still love more. (She isn't sending them away. She still wants to be around them.)

I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

This is what I have thought, bbm although iirc it was "school" that was said. I have been trying to think of any "schools" that are still open, surely there has to be. I have wondered if he was ever diagnosed with what ever it was he did have.
 
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This is the most logical theory I have heard and Vance said early on that they had uncovered things in the home that may help them with a motive. So this motive I believe is the one they have been working on for sometime now. Way before it came to light in the media yesterday.

It may have been as simple as finding conservatorship paperwork in Nancy's room or the name of a psychologist and an appointment date. That would be enough to start the investigation and it would lead where it has led imo.

I have not had experiences with those who are mentally ill but I know those who have and they tell me if a family member tries to intervene to get them mandatory help it is a time the person can seeth with rage and sometimes the affected person is so angry they will not speak to them ever again or it is a very long time before they do.

I did have a father who suffered from dementia and I had to obtain Guardianship over him. In our state it took two psychiatrists that were certified by the court plus his personal medical doctor's opinion.

I believe Adam knew his mother's intentions. She most likely tried to sit him down and explain to him it was for his own best interest and it was because she loved him so much. But instead of Adam agreeing he seethed with hatred and rage inside. Imo, he saw it as a betrayal and in his mind he may have thought she was only trying to rid herself of him. I wouldnt be shocked to learn he suffered from paranoia.

She even told a friend just a week before that she was losing him. Even she could no longer get Adam to communicate with her. The very one that had always been able to get Adam out of his shell. I think she told him of her plans and that is when he shutdown instantly and would no longer speak to her.

Imo, so whatever his issues are really had nothing to do with why all these innocent people died. I dont think he was criminally insane by a long shot. This was done because he was filled with hatred and rage that his own mother was going to force him to get treatment. Like a lot of those who need treatment I think Adam thought like a lot of others and he didnt want or need treatment.

When Vance comes out later on I do believe there will be a link to the school he chose. He passed other schools on his 5 mile trip from home. It may have been that he knew he could make his infamous mark in history more memorable if he murdered the youngest and most vulnerable or it may be something else entirely that led him there that tragic day.

Jmo though
 
  • #891
It was five miles from 36 Yogananda to Sandy Hook Elementary.
 
  • #892
It was five miles from 36 Yogananda to Sandy Hook Elementary.

Thank you. I edited my post.

The media had said 10 miles.

IMO
 
  • #893
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Little Avielle's dream car: a minivan... From her mother's blog.
 
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RSBM

NO! - she's not doing anything now ... she's DEAD ... at the hands of her MURDEROUS son ... who HEINOUSLY CHOSE to KILL and take INNOCENT women and children with him ... so NO, whatever action she should have taken DIDN'T HAPPEN!

We are just left with the fall out ... including grieving families, grieving community and a grieving nation as a whole.

We are left to scramble and hope to be prepared enough to thwart/minimize the next murderous attack due to inaction, when the next obviously ticking time-bomb explodes in another community.

Oh quester, the posts you quoted are talking about some other mother blogging about her young son and he tried to knife her. The blog is getting lots of attention, whether it should or not. They are not talking about AL's mom. :hug:
 
  • #895
I wonder when/if Nancy told AL about her diagnosis. Most reports I have seen say that she wasn't getting worse, but she was likely trying to plan for the future if and when she did get worse.

I also wonder if college wasn't just a nice code word for "group home" or "institution". Maybe AL found web searches or email exchanges that told him he wasn't going to college, he was going to a facility and that is why he smashed the computer. (Mom doesn't love me anymore, she is going to send me away.)

On that line of thinking, if she really did volunteer at the school, no one seems to really be sure, then look at all the little kids that to AL's mind, she must have seemed to still love more. (She isn't sending them away. She still wants to be around them.)

I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

What was Nancy's diagnosis? her paranoia?
 
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Oh quester, the posts you quoted are talking about some other mother blogging about her young son and he tried to knife her. The blog is getting lots of attention, whether it should or not. They are not talking about AL's mom. :hug:

Thanks 21merc7 and Donjeta - you could be right but I'm not so sure about that. Here is the post that I responded to that specifically snipped out only that which pertained to NL and AL.

Originally Posted by Glow
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
I have a feeling that AXXX's mom felt she could handle his problems all by herself. This is NEVER the case with someone who is severely mentally ill. Family members benefit from resources and mental health workers working WITH them.

Well now she is doing that. She is reaching out to the community at large isnt she?
Please note: I woke up so angry about AL's vicious and heinous attack on those helpless innocent victims. Perhaps I should have waited until I moved beyond my anger before I posted at all today. Apologies to all.
 
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