Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[bourne]

Would you please supply a link where the dad and brother said this.

They did NOT say this. That is what I'm saying.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

CJMAJORGIRL24 the Lanza's divorce mediation documentation mentions the shooter having Aspergers Syndrome. Beyond that, we do not have REAL documented evidence the shooter suffered from other things.

Thank you! --I have yet to read those, I suppose I should!! I have read so much about this tragedy, I feel like my head is spinning in circles!!! I am off to see if I can find these online to read --

 

[bourne]

You included him as a "28th victim" in the context of the Newtown tragedy.

Well, aren't there 28 people in Newtown dead? Isn't Adam a resident of Newtown? What's your point?

 

[wfgodot]

I see what you're saying; but the context of the news report leading with the survivalist stuff with the December 21st gibberish being in the news the past couple of weeks makes it more sensationalized in the sense that "Did the CT Shooter's Mom think the world was going to end and prepping for fighting the zombies?" gets your attention and makes the shooter's mother so different than you and I that it gains our interest in a weird way. Whereas in the full context of the interview one is left with the impression that Nancy Lanza was an awesome mother who unconditionally loved her sons and at family functions was always on the floor playing with the children (we can all relate to that type of person but the doomsday prepper not so much). Hopefully that clarifies it a bit.

Yes, I see what you're saying.

 

[wfgodot]

Well, aren't there 28 people in Newtown dead? Isn't Adam a resident of Newtown? What's your point?

My point is that you include a murderer in the list of his own victims.

 

[FragileSugar]

I am shocked he was allowed to get a driver's license. It doesn't sound like he needed to ever be behind the wheel of a car.

I think the fact that he was able to get a driver's license means he was far more capable than NL gave him credit for. I still think he was angry over possibly having to "grow up" and I also think he had manipulated NL for years. My son has Asperger's (according to 3 out of 5 professionals who have tested him). There are times when I think to myself, "Is he acting this way because he can't help it or because he knows I'll give in?"

 

[bourne]

My point is that you include a murderer in the list of his own victims.

No I didn't. I said he's a victim of his own mental illness. I didn't say he was a victim like the other 27 shot victims.

 

[HastingsChi]

Jump to what conclusions? You are jumping around, hard for me to follow, from those wrongfully convicted, to worrying that people are saying bad things about NL. I agree, the press should be held more accountable. I don't think most people on this site are so gullible though so I am not sure who you are talking to.

I do NOT believe that our fellow WS posters are gullible, frankly I think those here at WS are some of the most insightful, caring, knowledgeable and respectful folks that one can ever come across. I think the respect for and learning from opinions that are different than our own is one of the best things about WS and is rarely found on similar forums. That being said, since misinformation/inaccurate "reporting" doesn't get the publicity that initial reporting receives, since this thread #8 has started we've seen several posts still mentioning inaccurate reports as facts or questionable reporting as accurate.

 

[time]

I said weapons, guns or otherwise. Although I support a ban on assault weapons, I don't think it would have stopped AL. He was intent on killing and he would have used whatever he had even if he had to make a bomb, imo. He planned this meticulously and he had the brains to do it.. We will never get rid of all guns in this country and I will not blame NL directly or indirectly for having guns. I wish someone at the school had a gun when he showed up.

I disagree. The guns were readily available. It's possible he would have found a way, or not. I think AL could have planned this in short order. He probably already knew to tape the cartridges together, they were probably also available in the house, as was probably the hunting vest.

 

[Donjeta]

Yes, but there she is, and stating it as fact. The reporter's not exactly pulling teeth, it doesn't appear. Nothing sensationalized about it.

Marsha Lanza: "The last time we visited her in person, yeah, we talked about prepping, and, you know, how to get ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses."

Not saying ML is telling the truth; just saying she stated this as fact.

I think it may have been a little overinterpreted. People can talk about a lot of things they don't actually indulge in as a hobby or obsession. I talk a lot about guns but I don't have any.

And if it's the last time ML visited her in person... when was that exactly, how many years ago?

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

GIRL24--- Yeah, I agree, we never have heard Lanza ever suffering from any disability or illness

I think soon more intel will be revealed

f there was bitterness and anger between Nancy and Peter Lanza, it is not described in court papers. And there was no mention of any lingering mental health or medical issues for Adam Lanza, nothing that could even hint at the horror he would unleash three years later.

then it goes on to say:

During their meetings, the couple mentioned that Adam Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, an autism-like disorder, Levy said. But the Lanzas were in complete agreement on how to address Adam's needs and said little about the details of his condition, Levy said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/nancy-lanza-peter-lanza-divorce_n_2316461.html

 

[time]

I do NOT believe that our fellow WS posters are gullible, frankly I think those here at WS are some of the most insightful, caring, knowledgeable and respectful folks that one can ever come across. I think the respect for and learning from opinions that are different than our own is one of the best things about WS and is rarely found on similar forums. That being said, since misinformation/inaccurate "reporting" doesn't get the publicity that initial reporting receives, since this thread #8 has started we've seen several posts still mentioning inaccurate reports as facts or questionable reporting as accurate.

Some have missed notices of inaccurate reporting and thankfully other posters try to let them know, for sure, but it has been discussed on here many times.

 

[wfgodot]

The news today, other than the press conference, all concerns silence and tolling bells:

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

-- John Donne, Meditation XVII (1624)

 

[LolaMoon08]

I agree. Thank you. I was just thinking with it being Christmas and all the children that are in need, that's all. But I totally agree, it is too soon.

Oh, I agree with it being Christmas and so many little ones will not receive anything. It is hard to look at all these beautiful toys and not think of those children who will not have a Christmas. The way I go around it, is to remember that these people donating these toys are, in their hearts, comforting these little angels that will never see a Christmas again. Taking away the toys before Christmas would be devastating to those who find it comforting to know they are in some way comforting these little victims. It really is theraputic and is a process of healing that needs to be done by those who have been greatly effected (a Nation) by this tragedy.

I think after the New Year, when we can have hopes for a brighter, peaceful year, they can begin the process of taking the toys. I am sure the families of the victims will be most helpful in the decision of when to remove the memorials. A more permanent memorial will most definitely be made to honor them.

 

[mister happy]

I disagree. The guns were readily available. It's possible he would have found a way, or not. I think AL couldn't have planned this in short order. He probably already knew to tape the cartridges together, they were probably also available in the house, as was probably the hunting vest.

Yes. It was all too convenient for him. He had a ready made cache of weapons, and had experience shooting them.

 

[time]

Yes. It was all too convenient for him. He had a ready made cache of weapons, and had experience shooting them.

I meant to say that I think he 'could have' planned all this in short order.. not 'couldn't have'

 

[mister happy]

I meant to say that I think he 'could have' planned all this in short order.. not 'couldn't have'

Agree. It was all there for him. This was a tragedy waiting to happen, IMO.

 

[SailorMoon]

I don't know. If he wanted to afford her a more "humane" death, he would not have shot her four times in the head/face. AL was obviously extremely angry at NL for whatever reason and I am willing to bet he probably woke her up. He would have wanted her to know what was going to happen.

I"m betting she woke up at that first sound it makes when you it, or load it or whatever that sound is.

 

[i.b.nora]

Here is the Chicago Sun Times article and six and a half minute Raw Audio posted last Saturday December 15th.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17033112-418/suspects-aunt-why-would-anybody-do-this.html

Suspect’s aunt: ‘Why would anybody do this?’
BY LAUREN FITZPATRICK Staff Reporter [email protected] December 15, 2012 12:58PM

Unless I have completely overlooked it, there is nothing in the article nor on the Raw Audio that says anything nor infers anything about survivalist stuff.

 

[gngr~snap]

Ms. Lanza may have a lot more on her plate than we realize!

According to her friend, Mr Lanza hadn't lived with her for 17 years.
Add in she had an "alleged" wreck, that caused her to ware braces on her legs for years.
Top it off with the possibility she had MS...
We also have the nurse friend that said she had had surgery a few years back.
Single mother with a difficult child, "allegedly" raising her boy/s alone
with "possibly significant" health concerns of her own.:what:

I have no idea who to believe.

Did dad leave the family when the killer was 3 years old?
Why did NL wear braces on her legs?
Was the plastic surgery necessary due to an injury she sustained?
:dunno:
I asked because "reportedly" she says she felt "safe" when she woke up.
Nurse/friend said PLASTIC, not COSMETIC..
(I have had "cosmetic" surgery, I was very nervous before, but when I woke up I knew I was ok.) *her medical records may tell a story.
jmo

"She had a car accident where she wore leg braces for many years. We never talked about any [financial settlement] that happened with that."
"Public records show Nancy and Peter once jointly owned the house where Nancy's body was found on Friday, but Mark says Peter never lived there. The two were "definitely" not together when the Nancy and her sons arrived in Newtown some 17 years ago, he said."
http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/17/news/doc50cf1ff666706485145749.txt?viewmode=fullstory

"Nancy and Peter moved to Newtown in 1998. Peter commuted to New York City to work as a vice president for GE. Nancy had health problems — multiple sclerosis — for which she sought treatment in New York, according to her former sister-in-law"
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...86200_1_baby-boy-childhood-home-historic-home

"Jerry Nicholls, an operating-room nurse,...
...He was there when I woke up from my surgery. Jerry was there, and I felt safe.’” Jerry said she had plastic surgery on her face within the last couple of years."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...a-destroyed-his-hard-drive-before-attack.html

:cow: