Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

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  • #801
I really don't think she was taking 6 feet tall 110 pound AL (assuming the sources are accurate on that) on vacations with her. Reports say she went alone and he stayed home.

"Just before the shooting, Nancy Lanza was on vacation alone at a luxury resort in New Hampshire, friends said Wednesday."

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/nation...ncy-often-took-road-trips-alone#ixzz2Fw1h0pby

Neither do I.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...1cbc-4956-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story_4.html

She had taken some trips without him, leaving his meals prepared for him. She was on one of those trips, by herself, for the three days before the shootings, staying at the Mount Washington Resort and Hotel in Bretton Woods, N.H., according to local news reports.

bbm
 
  • #802
:uthere:
Does anyone else feel like they are in the twilight zone?
The family members say one thing... the friends something else:bricks:
Nothing at all from the "husband, father", "son, brother"
Why was the killer basically, allowed to delete them from
his life and apparently his mother's. *(I know NL and RL went
to New Orleans and AL refused to go with them)
How do you take an emaciated person on vaca?
How did this emaciated person snuff out 27 lives and
WHY kill those poor innocent babies and the heroes
that died for them??????
Based on the severity of this atrocity, what reason would
ANYONE involved have to just outright lie?
Other than 15 min of fame?
Lord help me!
:ufo:

If you were the father/brother, would you speak out? Put yourself in their shoes for a minute...After reading how your ex-wife/mom is being put under the microscope by the nation for how she raised your son/brother...the guns, homeschooling, his weight, etc
Whatever they say, they will be put under that same microscope...for not being in his life, not being closer to him, for not getting the guns out of the house, for not getting him out of the basement, for not getting him into a facility.

I think if I were the father/brother, I would not speak publicly either.
 
  • #803
Interesting read.. lot of tragic ironies, imo.. Preplanned for months & possibly years , time of attack 9:30 AM..many more similarities..

The Dunblane Massacre

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/dunblane_massacre/index.html
(snipped)
On March 13, 1996, Thomas Hamilton, 43, left his home at 7 Kent Road in Dunblane, Scotland, with only one thing in mind — murder. At about 9:30 a.m., he drove to the Dunblane Primary School with a pair of pliers, four handguns and more than 700 rounds of ammunition.
Once there, he cut the telephone wires on a nearby pole and then proceeded with weapons in hand to a side entrance of the school.

Hamilton burst into the assembly hall, where a class of five and six-year-old children was having gym lessons and opened fire. He first shot at several of the teachers. Hamilton then turned his guns on the frightened children and shot at them as they tried to scramble to safety under chairs and inside closets. Screams echoed through the gymnasium as tiny bodies sunk to the floor in pools of blood.

Hamilton momentarily stepped outside the gym into a hallway where there were other classrooms and open fired again. Several more people were struck down before Hamilton returned to the gym and began shooting again. He then put the gun into his mouth and pulled the trigger. He died instantaneously, leaving behind a ghastly trail of death and devastation.

The brutal rampage left 17 people murdered, including one teacher and 16 children. Another 17 would survive the horrifying incident but be haunted with nightmares for the rest of their lives. The sleepy, rural town was forever changed by the horrors of that day. It was considered one of the deadliest massacres in recent history.

Facing the Unimaginable-

One of the first to arrive at the tragic scene was Dunblane Primary School's headmaster, Ron Taylor, who was quickly followed by school staff members.
When they happened upon the body of teacher Mrs. Gwen Mayor, 45, it appeared "as if she had been trying to shield youngsters from the gunfire." In fact, she had given her life to protect as many as she could. Two other teachers, including Mrs. Mary Blake and Mrs. Eileen Harrild, were also in the gym at the time of the shooting. As the bullets rained down upon them, the women desperately tried to shield the children, even though they too had suffered serious gunshot wounds. It is likely there would have been more casualties if it were not for their herois

Families of the victims and community residents were shocked by the senseless slaughter that claimed so many innocent lives and scarred the survivors, physically and emotionally. According to John Smith's March 1996 article for The People, of the thousands of cards sent to the school to commemorate those who had died, one best described what was on most people's minds, "Why them! Why them!" Unfortunately, the only one who could answer the question was dead.
___________________

All the authorities could do was look back into Hamilton's life and search for possible clues. They hoped that some insight into his character might help them prevent such a massacre from ever happening again. What they learned about Hamilton was troubling.
(read more)

_________________

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1421581/Call-to-lift-secrecy-on-Dunblane-murderer.html

Call to lift secrecy on Dunblane murderer


By Tom Peterkin, Scotland Political Correspondent12:01AM GMT 10 Feb 2003
A 100-year closure order imposed on a police report into Thomas Hamilton, the Dunblane mass murderer, is to be challenged by a member of the Scottish Parliament.
Michael Matheson, the Scottish National Party MSP, said yesterday that the document should be examined by the Scottish Parliament amid speculation that it has been suppressed..
read more-
 
  • #804
yep. From my personal experience... (I have Asperger's and Celiac
and a conundrum of other stuff. TMI )
I was hyperactive... Never shut my mouth. Never took a nap...
Full throttle ALL the time.

I won't dispute that it could go the other way.
I have not done any research.

Maybe some mama's here with kids that have Asperger's
and gluten intolerance can chime in.


Hyperthyroidism is a possibility. Possible he had a condition where he never felt hunger. I have taken care of at least one baby in NICU/stepdown that had that problem and I think it was linked to a malformation in her brain, so long ago I can't remember. I remember she would not eat and had to have a feeding tube (and she wasn't a vent baby).

Oh my, what about malignant insomnia? I think that's what it's called where people cannot sleep at all and eventually go crazy or die?
 
  • #805
Thanks for the laugh. :)

Seriously, maybe she was afraid he'd set the house on fire, seeing as he sometimes gets into a zone (catatonic withdrawal?) according to his past teacher.

I have to say, sometimes if I don't set my kitchen timer on when I'm cooking/baking, I too forget the stove/oven is even on and living in a big house can be even more dangerous in that regard.
I am pages and pages behind so this will be a very late reply!

It doesn't even have to be something like fear he'd set the house on fire. It could be a concern about poor food handling and the possibility that AL might make himself sick that way.

My husband is extremely bad at proper ways to handle food safely. He'll leave food prone to spoilage (mayo, meats) out unrefrigerated and still eat them. I constantly have to police his food handling and during times when I can't cook but I am in the house, I have to supervise him.

Times I have been traveling and can't supervise his food handling, I'll get home and he is sick with "stomach flu" - what I know is probably mild food poisoning because he simply cannot/will not follow basic food safety procedures.

I could see AL being like that if he tried to cook for himself. Too many men never learn what is safe and what is dangerous, even without any developmental or mental issues!

JMO
 
  • #806
I don't consider Nancy a scapegoat for what happened to her and the school faculty and students, but question why with all her money didn't she go a different route in raising Adam, like the Arts, in playing a musical instrument or painting, instead we read how she has weapons that weren't necessary for everyday living, except she had a fear of someone from New York City was coming for her material possessions, because the husband was no longer living with her as protection. Did this fear spill over to Adam and that's why he acted like he was at war, including his clothing, when he shot and killed Nancy and then drove to the school and did the same to 20 small, defenseless children.
 
  • #807
I don't consider Nancy a scapegoat for what happened to her and the school faculty and students, but question why with all her money didn't she go a different route in raising Adam, like the Arts, in playing a musical instrument or painting, instead we read how she has weapons that weren't necessary for everyday living, except she had a fear of someone from New York City was coming for her material possessions, because the husband was no longer living with her as protection. Did this fear spill over to Adam and that's why he acted like he was at war, including his clothing, when he shot and killed Nancy and then drove to the school and did the same to 20 small, defenseless children.

BBM
I don't recall the bolded part. Do you have a link for this information? tia
 
  • #808
I am pages and pages behind so this will be a very late reply!

It doesn't even have to be something like fear he'd set the house on fire. It could be a concern about poor food handling and the possibility that AL might make himself sick that way.

My husband is extremely bad at proper ways to handle food safely. He'll leave food prone to spoilage (mayo, meats) out unrefrigerated and still eat them. I constantly have to police his food handling and during times when I can't cook but I am in the house, I have to supervise him.

Times I have been traveling and can't supervise his food handling, I'll get home and he is sick with "stomach flu" - what I know is probably mild food poisoning because he simply cannot/will not follow basic food safety procedures.

I could see AL being like that if he tried to cook for himself. Too many men never learn what is safe and what is dangerous, even without any developmental or mental issues!

JMO

My mentally ill and OCD brother will only eat a very few (vegan)foods and only what he prepares himself. His logic does not extend to the fact that others must have handled his vegetables, etc. before he bought them. He wears gloves 24hours a day. Lots of food issues came on with his increasing illnesses.
 
  • #809
I fully agree with that article. Has anybody blamed James Holmes' mother? What about the Norwegian shooter, can we find an excuse to blame his mother? I think the family, and especially the mother, are being scapegoated here because Adam Lanza is dead and we can't exact any justice from punishing him.

James Holmes purchased his own guns via the internet. AL used guns legally purchased by his mother. His mother also took AL target practice. People are asking why AL's mother believed it to be a good idea to buy these lethal weapons when she had son with issues.
 
  • #810
My mentally ill and OCD brother will only eat a very few (vegan)foods and only what he prepares himself. His logic does not extend to the fact that others must have handled his vegetables, etc. before he bought them. He wears gloves 24hours a day. Lots of food issues came on with his increasing illnesses.

Considering AL's teacher said he used purell on his desk, AL appears to have had OCD as well. It appears AL's issues were getting worse as he aged.
 
  • #811
With funerals of children and teachers standing-room-only, Nancy's service last Thursday drew a sparse two dozen relatives.

According to media reports, NL's memorial service was limited to family only - not even friends were invited. The author is making an unfair comparison between the number of attendees @ the services for the school victims and NL's service.


Adam was only assigned a psychologist because a scrawny, cringing loner might be tormented by peers.

An inaccurate statement. According to reports, someone was assigned to keep an eye on AL due in part to his inability to feel pain, in order to prevent him from inadvertently hurting himself.

Even the oft-printed assertion that Nancy frequently took her sons to shooting ranges is not bearing scrutiny. At a nearby range, police pored for hours over every sign-in, and found no Lanza at target practice in 2012.

Where did the author come by this information? To my knowledge, LE has made no such statement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/23/no-tears-nancy-lanza-newtown-mother
 
  • #812
Where did the author come by this information? To my knowledge, LE has made no such statement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/23/no-tears-nancy-lanza-newtown-mother

Respectfully snipped by me


As mentioned and labeled in the original posting of the article, the Guardian piece is labeled opinion/viewpoint/editorial.

Unfortunately, the statements in opinion/viewpoint/editorial do not need to be completely factual... If they did political opinion/viewpoint/editorial pieces could never be published in the States ;-)
 
  • #813
Sorry I haven't read the "I am a victim" story yet by RL. Does he mention the other victims at all, the ones who are not members of his family? TIA
 
  • #814
I personally don't believe its RL who is posting these things.
 
  • #815
MyBelle
Quote: If a parent withdraws a child to homeschool, the public educational system should still follow him to determine if such a move meets his needs and welfare.



A child was removed from our public school system by her parents in gr 4, we found out a few weeks later that the parents said they were going to homeschool her. An extended family member called and questioned the removal of her from school. We could not give her any info as she was not the parent. This family member did not believe the parents were capable of homeschooling her, we advised her to call authorities as there was nothing we could do about it. She called , the family was investigated and they told authorities everything that they wanted to hear... fast forward to today, the girl is now 18 years old, no education took place at home, she has no social skills, no friends, no job and is unable to get a drivers licence as you need to have your GED to do so in this area.

The bottom line is, the system is way to relaxed when it comes to homeschooling. This child received zero education at home, the parents lied and there was nothing the school, or the concerned aunt could do about it.

The government needs to make the changes to correct this.

As for AL, he did receive his GED, so this homeschooling issue is not a concern with this case.

The system is not too relaxed - we could also point out numerous issues with children not receiving proper education in public schools.

Home schooling is a non-issue in this situation.
 
  • #816
Also Monday, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said that investigators had determined that Adam Lanza visited multiple shooting ranges over the years and “engaged in shooting activities.”

The ATF found that Lanza had gone to the ranges with his mother, who had a collection of firearms. But it appeared none of these visits had been recent: the last time, according to the ATF, was more than six months ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...6759ce-4862-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html

If the last time was not in 2012 I'd have said more than a year ago and not more than six months ago.
 
  • #817
If Nancy Lanza was away for awhile before the killings, did she check on her son by phoning him on a landline or cellphone? Did she email him? If so, what email did she use to contact him? There is no way that she would leave him for days and not connect with him to make sure he was OK. JMO
 
  • #818
If Nancy Lanza was away for awhile before the killings, did she check on her son by phoning him on a landline or cellphone? Did she email him? If so, what email did she use to contact him? There is no way that she would leave him for days and not connect with him to make sure he was OK. JMO

With all due respect, we don't know if there is no way she would not connect with him to make sure he was OK.
 
  • #819
That image supposedly of AL has brown eyes and was taken of RL's facebook. I presume that is RL, not AL. On an internet, anyone can pretend to be RL.

One reason I don't think this story is accurate- I'm pretty sure RL could recognize which was a picture of him and which was not.

~n/t~ great insight; you're the best. The article mentions that Ryan "has joined Facebook victim groups as well as groups that support him called “Support Ryan Lanza” and “Clear Ryan Lanza’s Name.”" Might they have been posted there?

I sure hope that the NY Post, whose parent company is NewsCorp/FOX News, didn't flub this. If they did fall for a fake FB profile, I guess we'll know in a couple hours...

I could see him saying some things in his space like "dude, he's still my brother- have some respect and take it somewhere else." I'd imagine I wouldn't want my facebook to be a "let's hate on your brother page" because this is probably very conflicting and confusing for him. I would be horrified. And he IS a victim. Brother aside, he lost his mother, who by all accounts seemed to try hard and be a loving mom. He was also named as the murderer. There is no other way to describe him than a victim IMO.

BUT- Those quotes also like they were written by someone younger or less educated than RL.
"I loss [sic] my mom and brother.” lost, not loss
“I will miss you bro. I will always love you as long as I live,” bro?from an educated New Englander? Possible, but not typical IME.
“I am so tired of people blaming me for something my brother did. I love Adam, his [sic] my brother,” he wrote. he's, not his. And I'd expect something more like "for my brother's actions."
“But you have no right to call my brother names when he isn’t here no more. Just let my brother rest in peace. Please. Respect that.” isn't here no more? Seems very young in phrasing imo.

When he was freaking out about being named, which is CRAZY, he wrote "I’m on the bus home now it wasn’t me" It's not a great sample to compare to, but I find it hard to believe he types better when stressing out on the bus than when he has time to write a carefully worded post that he knows will be picked apart if it says anything positive. JMO but I'm not ready to attribute these words to RL.
 
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