Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #9

[Charlie09]

All i know is ... that people with such disabilities as Autism, Aspergers etc .. should NOT be introduced to such things as guns, weapons etc, should NOT be taken to shooting ranges, to feel comfortable around weapons etc .. and, possibly, should NOT keep guns, weapons, etc at home .. be those locked or not!

Why?
Who decides what disorder, illness, color, gender, disability is allowed to or not to be introduced to guns, own one, or shoot one?

 

[JBean]

All i know is ... that people with such disabilities as Autism, Aspergers etc .. should NOT be introduced to such things as guns, weapons etc, should NOT be taken to shooting ranges, to feel comfortable around weapons etc .. and, possibly, should NOT keep guns, weapons, etc at home .. be those locked or not!

Hi darkman. I don't think an autism diagnosis in and of itself should preclude Keeping guns in the home at all if that is something a family chooses to do. But I also don't think aspergers or autism had anything to do with this massacre.

 

[katydid23]

these things are not mutually exclusive. Remenber, Psychosis is just a symptom of some underlying cause that can take different forms.

My paranoid schizophrenic brother was capable of planning large events at times. For a year or so I was telling my mom that my little brother , aged 21, was acting weird. She thought he was doing drugs maybe. He was away at a ski camp in Tahoe because he was a competitive racer and a ski instructor. A ski bum as they used to call them. But he was a charming, handsome young skier. When I went to visit him, he seemed distracted and odd. He would tell me there were secret things happening that he couldn't tell me about yet. I thought he was on LSD or something.

Then one day my mom gets a call from a hospital in Honolulu. We were in the Bay Area in Northern Cal. A doctor tells her he was found badly beaten on a mountain top there, and he was saying something about the CIA chasing him.

My brother had a credit card my mom had given him for emergencies. So his emergency was that the CIA were after him, but he knew he would be safe if he found the tribal leader of an indigenous Hawaiian tribe in person. So he booked a flight to Hawaii, from Tahoe Nevada, and found his way to a religious retreat in Honolulu area. And he was in the middle of a psychotic break at the time.

 

[manzana]

Washington Post article:

That is a very blanket statement........what investigators? Not even a name. Really I hope there is much more like maybe a person that actually saw him in basement. Seem much ado about nothing. Thanks for the link.

 

[Donjeta]

Information attributed to :
http://voices.yahoo.com/living-autism-autism-aspergers-vs-schizophrenia-5774426.html

It may be someone's very authentic experience of living with the symptoms of whatever disorder they have but I wouldn't read that text as a medical reference to find out what autism, Asperger and schizophrenia are like.

 

[wfgodot]

That is a very blanket statement........what investigators? Not even a name. Really I hope there is much more like maybe a person that actually saw him in basement. Seem much ado about nothing. Thanks for the link.

Investigators may speak off the record. I imagine Washington Post had that information both from one or more of them, and also spoke independently to Lanza family friends. It is not, as you said it might have been, information concocted by a tabloid.

 

[Charlie09]

Since I know a little bit about schizophrenia than autism or Aspergers, I thought this would help explain the differences:

Schizophrenia is a mental illness (a chemical imbalance in the brain - in other words a disease) and as such will respond to medication, with the symptoms lessening or vanishing all together while the person takes their medication. As with all other mental illnesses schizophrenia is a disease that you can get, but you are never born with it. .

Asperger's/Autism is NOT a disease. It is a birth defect (a brain that did not develop properly before birth) - it is not a disease - you can not contract it later on in life - you are born with it[/B]. The symptoms will not lessen or go away with medication, because there is no disease there to medicate.

The difference between Autism and Asperger's is that Autism shows symptoms with in the first 2 - 3 years of life, while Asperger's does not usually start showing symptoms until the pre-teen, teen or young adult years.

Autism is rarely mistaken for schizophrenia. Asperger's is nearly always first diagnosed as "childhood schizophrenia" (by doctors who have not kept up to date and are still unaware of the fact that this disease is nothing more than an urban myth and slang name for Asperger's).

Information attributed to :
http://voices.yahoo.com/living-autism-autism-aspergers-vs-schizophrenia-5774426.html

While I appreciate your attempt at defining - I am not sure your definition that autism is present at birth is generally accepted.

 

[michmi]

Wasn't it reported that he was a vegan? ty

Yes, that has been reported, but if he really was a vegan he was certainly a poorly-nourished one. I know a number of vegans and they are healthy-appearing--I want to say that the label of "vegan" may be something his mother placed on him when she was ordering salads to take home to him. Vegans are usually pretty interested in general health, sitting and playing video games for hours on end and appearing emaciated certainly don't go along with the lifestyle.

 

[michmi]

While I appreciate your attempt at defining - I am not sure your definition that autism is present at birth is generally accepted.

Agree--exposure to a toxin(s) is a possibility also.

 

[georgiagirl]

My paranoid schizophrenic brother was capable of planning large events at times. For a year or so I was telling my mom that my little brother , aged 21, was acting weird. She thought he was doing drugs maybe. He was away at a ski camp in Tahoe because he was a competitive racer and a ski instructor. A ski bum as they used to call them. But he was a charming, handsome young skier. When I went to visit him, he seemed distracted and odd. He would tell me there were secret things happening that he couldn't tell me about yet. I thought he was on LSD or something.

Then one day my mom gets a call from a hospital in Honolulu. We were in the Bay Area in Northern Cal. A doctor tells her he was found badly beaten on a mountain top there, and he was saying something about the CIA chasing him.

My brother had a credit card my mom had given him for emergencies. So his emergency was that the CIA were after him, but he knew he would be safe if he found the tribal leader of an indigenous Hawaiian tribe in person. So he booked a flight to Hawaii, from Tahoe Nevada, and found his way to a religious retreat in Honolulu area. And he was in the middle of a psychotic break at the time.

Holy .

 

[mck16]

Yes, that has been reported, but if he really was a vegan he was certainly a poorly-nourished one. I know a number of vegans and they are healthy-appearing--I want to say that the label of "vegan" may be something his mother placed on him when she was ordering salads to take home to him. Vegans are usually pretty interested in general health, sitting and playing video games for hours on end and appearing emaciated certainly don't go along with the lifestyle.

This is what I was commenting on.

Originally Posted by michmi
I think the cause of that is not really anorexia in the usual sense, though--people on the autism spectrum often have very narrow preferences as far as types of food and especially the texture of foods.

But thanks for all your other info. I think. jmo

 

[manzana]

It is not, as you said it might have been, information concocted by a tabloid.

BBM
Let's not spin things, I did not say or imply that

verbatim "The National Enquirer, other media," The use of other media includes all media not just tabloids but MSM really has not been much above tabloid media in this case.

 

[wfgodot]

BBM
Let's not spin things, I did not say or imply that

verbatim "The National Enquirer, other media," The use of other media includes all media not just tabloids but MSM really has not been much above tabloid media in this case.

I would disagree.

Also, your original question was, "What are we relying on that he spent time in the basement?" I merely answered it. By naming one paper specifically you implied a tabloid source.

But it's not important.

 

[Xavier]

Ive thought that maybe Nancy tried to be more assertive with AL to get him motivated to get more involved in his own future. Like joining a club similar to one's he was in school -- tech clubs, etc

And maybe AL just rebelled and locked himself in his room, despite NL trying daily to get him moving forward?

So as a parent if you have a 20 year old son unwilling to accept the parent's requests/demands what do you do? How do you handle AL?

Do you take away freedoms, entitlements, hobbies, etc ?

To give you all a glimpse into our familiy's lives dealing with our brother, our brother is extremely stubborn about getting his way and will hang up the phone if we discuss him getting a job or doing something more than sitting around his group home all day

Our brother who developed schizo affective at age 20 worked, did some volunteer work for about 20 years.. Now at 46 years old, this all stopped about in 2003. He will not work and always walks away or changes the subject when getting a job is discussed. So we don't bring up getting a job or volunteering to him anymore. We tried many things like curbing his spending, making him tak ethe bus instead of giving him rides somewhere.

And despite trying different motivations, our brother will flat out not do anything extra thast we ask from him

The bottom line is I truly believe NL was taking some definitive actions, like getting a conservatorship for her son, since I can imagine she was pulling her hair out trying to motivate AL

 

[Darkman00]

You all are entitled to your opinion .. BUT so am I ...

All i know is ... if one has or suspected to have ANY psychological disorders (including the way the shooter communicated with others, in school, for example etc) .. he or she should not be introduced to guns .. or allowed near them ... (so therefore .. if a family has someone like that among them .. -- not the best idea to keep guns at home, either) .. or / and a person like that should be prohibited from being able to purchase one...

JMO only, of course

 

[txsvicki]

I ageee and don't believe that a gun license should be given to anyone with any sort of emotional or mental problems, deficiencies, disorders, whatever, and their family should not have them around.

 

[Darkman00]

27 December 2012

Videogame blame distracts from the real gun debate

Read at the Source: http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4444468.html

 

[Xavier]

Holy .

I can imagine how hard this was KATY

I can relate to your experiences with your brother

Our brother had similar ramblings of fantastical experiences or thoughts

We also had to have 911/LE intervene about 50 times in 30 years of dealing with our brother's delusional episodes

Hang in there is all anyone can say and support, love your brother, be kind, be patient. I know exactly what your family is going through

 

[Darkman00]

The forgotten victim: Nancy Lanza

Susan Reimer says excluding Adam Lanza's mother from the lists of victims shows that we blame her for her son's atrocities

3:28 p.m. EST, December 26, 2012

The philosopher Kahlil Gibran's meditation on children is a touching favorite among parents who have read "The Prophet."

In it, he captures perfectly the helplessness we feel as our children go out into the world, into the future, and necessarily leave us behind. He writes to us, "You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth."

While we understand that we cannot set the path of the arrow across the infinite or mark its landing, we want to believe that we are "the bow that is stable," that our strength and love will help our children go swift and far.

I am sure Nancy Lanza wanted to be that bow for her son, Adam...

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-reimer-nancy-lanza-20121226,0,5859234.column

 

[Charlie09]

You all are entitled to your opinion .. BUT so am I ...

All i know is ... if one has or suspected to have ANY psychological disorders (including the way the shooter communicated with others, in school, for example etc) .. he or she should not be introduced to guns .. or allowed near them ... (so therefore .. if a family has someone like that among them .. -- not the best idea to keep guns at home, either) .. or / and a person like that should be prohibited from being able to purchase one...

JMO only, of course

opinions are normally backed by something concrete though - where do you draw the line, and what exactly is "a person like that"