Contempt of Court :Revealing Sealed Docs

[Cher352]

Let's see...

>>Either she really believes she'll get away with something horrendous, or she's taking the bullet for someone else.<<

Taking the bullet for some perp she doesn't know (or does know) that snuck into the school and took away a 7 year old?

Umm...what a valiant woman. Some how, that just doesn't work for me...hmmm I'm trying to think of why that is exactly.

There is only one person that I think TH would take a bullet for but I don't think we can go there.

 

[joshiesmom]

I'm trying to understand this twist here...

So Terri is having an affair with Michael Cook that became sexual AFTER Kaine moved out of the house?

Then MC comes over & takes pictures of the document that is supposed to be sealed. Why? So he can then go to his childhood friend, Kaine Horman, and share the pictures and get Terri busted?

Why would Michael go tell anyone that he's seen the supposed-to-be-sealed document? Why would he have taken pictures?

How did Kaine learn of this information? Did Michael tell him directly? Or did LE? If it was LE who told Kaine, how did LE learn about this situation of MC being shown the document & getting cell phone pictures of it?

I admit, it's late & I'm coming in late to this conversation, but if someone could help me to understand what I am missing ~ ie: make some sense of this for me ~ I'd be grateful. Because right now, it seems like Michael Cook slept with Terri in order to get close to her so that he could get some information to then use against her.

 

[Donjeta]

I have no idea if Terri showed the documents to MC or if he decided to take a peek beyond what he said about it, but wouldn't Terri still be to blame if she stored a sealed document so carelessly that anybody can just decide to take a peek and some photos of it?

That's the way it works at my job where there are some confidential records being handled. It doesn't matter if I showed them to an outsider or if I left them lying about so that an outsider can take a look, I'm equally to blame.

 

[CaringCitizen]

I'm trying to understand this twist here...

So Terri is having an affair with Michael Cook that became sexual AFTER Kaine moved out of the house?

Then MC comes over & takes pictures of the document that is supposed to be sealed. Why? So he can then go to his childhood friend, Kaine Horman, and share the pictures and get Terri busted?

Why would Michael go tell anyone that he's seen the supposed-to-be-sealed document? Why would he have taken pictures?

How did Kaine learn of this information? Did Michael tell him directly? Or did LE? If it was LE who told Kaine, how did LE learn about this situation of MC being shown the document & getting cell phone pictures of it?

I admit, it's late & I'm coming in late to this conversation, but if someone could help me to understand what I am missing ~ ie: make some sense of this for me ~ I'd be grateful. Because right now, it seems like Michael Cook slept with Terri in order to get close to her so that he could get some information to then use against her.

I really am going to bed soon!! LE figured out Mr. Cook and Terri were having a thing; confiscated his phone; discovered photos of the RO, searches to Kaine's temporary current housing that he shares with baby K, and hundreds of sext messages and photos Terri sent in various stages of undress.

LE determined the sexting and photos were very similar to how Terri and landscaper were communicating and drew a connection there. LE informed Kaine and his attorney of all of this and hence, the attorney is now requesting the judge to consider contempt. The RO shouldn't have been shared and it's a mystery to some of us why Kaine's temp address was even on Terri's copy, but it was.

Mr. Cook is Kaine's high school friend who came into the picture after Kyron disappeared. Kaine does not think Terri knew him prior to this and Kaine himself, hasn't seen or talked to this guy since high school.

Oh, and Terri went to Kaine's gym to seek out baby K and she asked the gym clerk to notify her when Kaine is there next with the baby again. Clerk informed her mgr, who informed LE.

Can this case get any weirder? I bet it can!!

 

[CharlestonGal]

I'm trying to understand this twist here...

So Terri is having an affair with Michael Cook that became sexual AFTER Kaine moved out of the house?

Then MC comes over & takes pictures of the document that is supposed to be sealed. Why? So he can then go to his childhood friend, Kaine Horman, and share the pictures and get Terri busted?

Why would Michael go tell anyone that he's seen the supposed-to-be-sealed document? Why would he have taken pictures?

How did Kaine learn of this information? Did Michael tell him directly? Or did LE? If it was LE who told Kaine, how did LE learn about this situation of MC being shown the document & getting cell phone pictures of it?

I admit, it's late & I'm coming in late to this conversation, but if someone could help me to understand what I am missing ~ ie: make some sense of this for me ~ I'd be grateful. Because right now, it seems like Michael Cook slept with Terri in order to get close to her so that he could get some information to then use against her.

My guess would be that one of the people to whom MC showed the pictures of the RO told either the police or a reporter. IF MC was trying to get info to use against TH, he would have gone to LE with the info, not one or two "others." I imagine LE got a SW at that point for MC's phone and found not only the pics of the RO, but the sexting and intimate pics between MC and TH as well.

I don't think MC did anything to set TH up. I think he was just thinking with the wrong appendage which has now lead to him needing an attorney himself.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Here’s a question.. if Kaine and baby K were at an undisclosed address (on a SEALED document), then why does Terri’s copy of the RO have that address on it?

SBM

She had to be notified of where it was she was being prohibited from approaching. That is so that she isn't caught innocently driving past KH's new address. With the address specified, that means that there is probable cause for an arrest if she is seen within 500 feet.

People who apply for restraining orders usually know that the RO will provide the respondent with their address. The petitioner has to make a decision as to whether they feel the risk is worth the potential benefits conveyed by the RO.

 

[GrainneDhu]

That doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how it could be mandatory to provide the address of person filing the RO to the one being restrained. There are confidential shelters for abused women and giving that address to a violent spouse or boyfriend would put many extra people at risk.

In the town where I used to live, someone staying at the confidential women's shelter would refuse to state that address on a RO. The RO would not include that address, which meant the respondent could approach the shelter in the same way they would be permitted to approach any private property (drive past, walk past, approach the front door, etc).

Each petitioner has to make their own decision as to the risks vs benefits of disclosure. By disclosing his address, that means that TMH could be arrested for simply driving by his new address; just driving by would be probable cause.

 

[Kat]

http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100713/NEWS02/7130313/-1/NEWSMAP

2:00 AM July 13, 2010

...Kaine Horman said Cook has told investigators that Terri Horman let Cook use his cell phone camera to photograph the restraining order, including the address of Kaine Harmon's new residence. The restraining order was unsealed last week, but a judge directed Kaine Horman's new address to remain sealed.

According to Monday's filing, Cook then searched the Internet for directions from Terri Horman's house to Kaine Horman's undisclosed temporary residence...

I am not familiar with Ashland Daily Tidings. I don't know if it's reliable MSM.

 

[Aedrys]

Well, regardless of whether she could fight for custody at the hearing or not, her mind is definitely NOT on her children right now. Instead of being silent, she's letting her actions speak for her. And they say she'd rather have a man and sex than her children at the moment. No wonder she's not contesting anything. I really hope her lawyer has made it clear that he's only there to represent her, not be her next man.

You know, I was starting to think her not saying anything was okay. But it's stupid to remain silent yet keep doing actions that make you look bad. Either something is wrong in her head, or for some deluded reason she still thinks she can do what she wants and it's okay. I can't believe her lawyer would even allow her to talk to other men much less let them in the house at this point. I bet he's given her a stern lecture or two after this.

I've learned from the Casey A case that it's hard to defend someone who keeps making themselves look bad. He needs to batten down the hatches now if she has any chance of beating a murder rap. This drama is not helping her case. He needs to take away her cellphone (or strongly suggest she turn the darn thing off), not let her communicate with anyone (can we say over 5000 pages of letters in the Casey case?), and not let try to seduce any more men or strongly suggest she put her libido on the back burner.

All I'm saying is, if she's innocent, she is not doing herself any favors. Maybe her lawyer needs to show her a few cases where the jury was not impressed with a defendant chasing tail rather than showing remorse. Just saying.

 

[Kat010]

http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100713/NEWS02/7130313/-1/NEWSMAP

2:00 AM July 13, 2010



I am not familiar with Ashland Daily Tidings. I don't know if it's reliable MSM.

FYI, the Ashland paper is just reprinting the Associated Press (AP) story that was sent out to all AP members.

BTW, I didn't realize when I signed on with Kat010 that there was a Kat. If the mods approved, I'd be willing to change my log-in name.:dance:

And now back to the thread.

 

[grandmaj]

Part of the whole process is the murder for hire plot. I do not believe that Terri's attorney wants any of Terri's statements about that alleged plot on the record at this time. In order to defend herself some of that would come to the forefront. So she isn't contesting anything. She has to let it roll now.

But, with the latest filing in which it is claimed she violated her restraining order she is now ordered to court for a contempt hearing. Failure to show up could mean that she is jailed. Now she is really backed into a corner.

It appears to me that her lawyer is trying to guide her but she is not listening or thinking. This is the part where it fits what Desiree was saying. It isn't about Kyron for Terri, it is all about herself.

 

[tk71texas]

Uh, we haven't heard what Terri says about anything...because she won't say anything! I'd LOVE to hear her side of the story at this point, but I know she's not going to tell it. I'm sorry, but the woman keeps digging herself deeper and not saying a word.

I actually feel sorry for her defense attorney. I wonder what he's thinking right now? And what is he drinking? (Oh come on, you know he is).

bbm.......if he did take this case pro bono, i wonder at what point will he just give up and call her crazy :waitasec:

 

[yosande]

Kaine Horman's attorney asked a judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.
The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. The filing also states that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map the new address.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court...n-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0712/24229769.pdf

Did she really think LE wasn't keeping taps on her cell phone use?

Is she really that short sighted, or is she doing this purposefully to distract?

jmo

 

[yosande]

Well, regardless of whether she could fight for custody at the hearing or not, her mind is definitely NOT on her children right now. Instead of being silent, she's letting her actions speak for her. And they say she'd rather have a man and sex than her children at the moment. No wonder she's not contesting anything. I really hope her lawyer has made it clear that he's only there to represent her, not be her next man.

You know, I was starting to think her not saying anything was okay. But it's stupid to remain silent yet keep doing actions that make you look bad. Either something is wrong in her head, or for some deluded reason she still thinks she can do what she wants and it's okay. I can't believe her lawyer would even allow her to talk to other men much less let them in the house at this point. I bet he's given her a stern lecture or two after this.

I've learned from the Casey A case that it's hard to defend someone who keeps making themselves look bad. He needs to batten down the hatches now if she has any chance of beating a murder rap. This drama is not helping her case. He needs to take away her cellphone (or strongly suggest she turn the darn thing off), not let her communicate with anyone (can we say over 5000 pages of letters in the Casey case?), and not let try to seduce any more men or strongly suggest she put her libido on the back burner.

All I'm saying is, if she's innocent, she is not doing herself any favors. Maybe her lawyer needs to show her a few cases where the jury was not impressed with a defendant chasing tail rather than showing remorse. Just saying.

The reasoning behind this is supposedly to get Kiara back, to abduct her, as the article states, so she was "thinking" of her child, but not in a healthy, legal, right way.

She had already retained an attorney, so I'm not quite sure why she didn't go about this the legal way. She hasn't been arrested for anything, and if none of all this being said is true, there isn't any reason for her to not fight for her child via the family court.

Imo, it shows the way thinks, ie, her body is the avenue to attain what she wants, at least with MC. I don't know what if anything she used with the staff mamber at the gym, or why she would think he would not tell management.

But it isn't looking good imo, for her problem solving skills.
In fact, it's looking worse as the days go by, and making the other stories told more believable.
And it isn't looking good for Kyron.
And she likely didn't just change her personality; suddenly lose her appropiate skills in problem solving. Iow, she has likely been this way for years, and everyone who knows her, knows it, iykwim.

Another "just a matter of time" scenario.

jmo

 

[desquire]

It will be interesting to see what the judge does with this contempt motion. Ordinarily, TH's actions would not rise to the level of contempt and there really was no harm that resulted from her disclosures. This contempt motion is clearly just a vehicle to publicly disgrace, humiliate and pressure TH. Not that she isn't deserving if the allegations are true but judges generally don't look kindly on individuals (or even LE) abusing the judicial process to further some other agenda.

 

[Wondergirl]

Kaine Horman's attorney asked a judge to hold Terri Moulton Horman in contempt of court for showing a then-sealed restraining order to Michael Cook.

The filing alleges that Terri took the restraining order to Cook's home, where she showed him the document and allowed him to take cell phone photos of the document, which included Kaine's new address. The filing also states that a police search of Cook's phone found that Cook had done a Google search to map the new address.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Court...n-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0712/24229769.pdf

BBM: Part 1: I am not a legal expert, but, if MC was in some sort of a "relationship" with TH (conjugal or otherwise), wouldn't TH showing the RO to him be considered the same as showing it to a mate, father, sister or brother? Is there a law against that?

Part 2: If MC at THAT point goes on to "show/tell" 2 other people, isn't it HIS wrongdoing at that point?

Part 3: If MC purportedly takes pictures of the RO (but does nothing with them), and suspiciously googles the location KH/Baby K, (but does nothing), how is that TH's fault (unless she was with him, and had him do this?)?

Part 4: If MC purportedly takes pictures of the RO (and does SOMETHING with them), and/or suspiciously googles the location of KH/Baby K (and does SOMETHING with the address), then shouldn't there be a charge against MC?

I guess, in the end, it all goes back to the answer to Question 1.

If MC is considered a "significant other" to TH, is showing him the RO any different (or illegal) than showing a family member/friend?

 

[SurfieTX]

I think she manipulated MC. "Hey honey-baby, would you Google this address for me? You know LE is watching my every move, but they probably aren't watching you. Pretty please?"

 

[desquire]

BBM: If MC is considered a "significant other" to TH, is showing him the RO any different (or illegal) than showing a family member/friend?

There is no provision in the order sealing the file or in any applicable law that would allow a "significant other" - however defined - to have had access to the RO. Interestingly, however, the order only restricted court/government personnel, the parties (i.e., TH and KH) and their lawyers from disclosing information. So TH would be liable for disclosing the info to MC but MC would not then be liable for disclosing the information he had been given to anyone else.

 

[Amster]

I wonder why MC took pics of the document?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I wonder why MC took pics of the document?

Ya know - that is very odd. Cell phone cameras usually don't have a very good resolution - unless he knew he had software in a computer somewhere that could "restore" those pics to readable quality.

Maybe he took them to prove she showed them to him. Maybe he took them so he could re-read them thoroughly later on. Maybe he took them because he is/was undercover.

It could very well be that he was asked to help in the investigation by "getting close" to TH and it was all "part of the investigation. JMO and all that.