Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #10

[gitana1]

Thanks. Yep. So Italy and China have a somewhat higher mortality rate. Wonder why that is? But not the US and other 1st world countries. :::shrug::: Maybe thatt will change. Anyway, I'm definitely not even slightly concerned about it. I'm much more concerned about what the reaction is in the stock market. If I'm not gonna die from it, I'd like to keep as much of my retirement as possible! lol

What? Italy is indeed a first world country with an excellent, advanced health c are system. Italy has a higher life expectancy than the United States.

Italy vs United States: Health > Life expectancy at birth Facts and Stats

 

[cody22]

Yea... me too. I went back to look. This is gonna be bad....worse than the ship....

Henry, Thank you very much for all your informative posts....moo

 

[whitelilac]

When we are all in this together, this sort of thing has to happen.
Fear, ignorance, blaming.
Racist attacks on Asians spreading faster than coronavirus in US - CNN

 

[whitelilac]

What? Italy is indeed a first world country with an excellent, advanced health c are system. Italy has a higher life expectancy than the United States.

Italy vs United States: Health > Life expectancy at birth Facts and Stats

And China has an excellent health system....

 

[firebird]

What? Italy is indeed a first world country with an excellent, advanced health c are system. Italy has a higher life expectancy than the United States.

Italy vs United States: Health > Life expectancy at birth Facts and Stats

"Other first world countries" ... like Italy. That's what made we wonder. I thought I was clear. Guess not.

 

[LadyL]

don't know if this has been posted:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/02/29/no-you-do-not-need-face-masks-for-coronavirus-they-might-increase-your-infection-isk/#78a876f2676c


on another note ... I sent a group email to about 10 or 11 family members asking who all has been preparing for this and that some of us are at greater risk because of age, health conditions etc. I didn't include any nieces/nephews even though some of them are adults

NOT ONE person texted back! my husband said they probably think I'm nuts - I agreed

but I don't think it's nuts to prepare a bit and take care of my elderly parents - neither does my husband

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I think it's prudent for people in high risk categories to protect themselves to the extent they are comfortable. If I was health compromised or elderly, I'd likely feel the same. Maybe not, since I'm the opposite of a worrier by nature, but I totally get it.

There's two sides to an infectious situation: the risk of getting it, and the risk of passing it to others.

I live in a very rural and remote area. Now, certainly, people in my community travel, including by air and overseas. But it seems (unscientific supposition) that we ruralites have fewer routes to have a transmissible disease enter the community than does a community of more densely packed people, with more high tech type jobs that involve even more travel.

So as I try to decide whether I should go on a planned visit to my mom who lives in dementia care in one of the areas currently having community-spread cases, I have to consider both my feelings about my own risk of catching it as well as my potentially being the one to bring it back to my community.

I'm not elderly and am in the middle zone in terms of pre-existing health conditions (I'm generally healthy but had bronchitis a year ago and still feel like I have a susceptibility in my lungs) so my personal risk is pretty low -- meaning if I got it, it might kick my behind but good, not a fun experience, but chances are I would recover.

But there is NO WAY I want to be the one to bring it into my area. Even if it couldn't be tracked back to me, if others started getting cv shortly after I returned (I have public contact via my job at the local library, plus in a small town we all shop at the same store, eat at the same cafe, etc) I wouldn't be able to stand that.

 

[SAMS]

Reuters on Twitter


Washington state health officials report second U.S. death from coronavirus

 

[SAMS]

City of New York on Twitter

Statement from Mayor de Blasio and Health Commissioner Barbot on the confirmed case of the coronavirus in New York City.

 

[gitana1]

That 4th photo down made me spill my coffee........moo

Ha ha!!

 

[MJPeony]

Thanks. Yep. So Italy and China have a somewhat higher mortality rate. Wonder why that is? But not the US and other 1st world countries. :::shrug::: Maybe thatt will change. Anyway, I'm definitely not even slightly concerned about it. I'm much more concerned about what the reaction is in the stock market. If I'm not gonna die from it, I'd like to keep as much of my retirement as possible! lol

firebird, have you been following the progression of this virus? Have you been following the enormous testing debacule that is going on in the United States?

The reason the US doesn’t have a “higher mortality rate” is because we’ve not been testing. And because the virus was brought here to the US relatively recently.

I’m assuming since you are not even slightly concerned, that you do not live in a town where there already has a concentration of confirmed cases (let me tell you that has power to change one’s perspective), and I assume as well that you do not have older loved ones anywhere in the country. Or have any friends or family that who are immuno-compromised.

This virus is FAR beyond our own personal concerns of whether we individually will die from it. IMO.

 

[firebird]

There's two sides to an infectious situation: the risk of getting it, and the risk of passing it to others.

I live in a very rural and remote area. Now, certainly, people in my community travel, including by air and overseas. But it seems (unscientific supposition) that we ruralites have fewer routes to have a transmissible disease enter the community than does a community of more densely packed people, with more high tech type jobs that involve even more travel.

So as I try to decide whether I should go on a planned visit to my mom who lives in dementia care in one of the areas currently having community-spread cases, I have to consider both my feelings about my own risk of catching it as well as my potentially being the one to bring it back to my community.

I'm not elderly and am in the middle zone in terms of pre-existing health conditions (I'm generally healthy but had bronchitis a year ago and still feel like I have a susceptibility in my lungs) so my personal risk is pretty low -- meaning if I got it, it might kick my behind but good, not a fun experience, but chances are I would recover.

But there is NO WAY I want to be the one to bring it into my area. Even if it couldn't be tracked back to me, if others started getting cv shortly after I returned (I have public contact via my job at the local library, plus in a small town we all shop at the same store, eat at the same cafe, etc) I wouldn't be able to stand that.

I wouldn't want to, either. Which is one of the reasons I wouldn't go to China right now. My only point in this thread tonight (and it has veered, as it always does) is that I don't see this is a huge public health threat in the US of a very unusual nature. Yet it's being treated like one -- to the extreme, imo.

 

[MJPeony]

Absolutely. Those who are confident that the virus will not be a problem for them, or anyone they care about, will carry on as though nothing has changed. I suppose that's what happened in China, Iran, Italy, South Korea, Egypt and other countries with crippled health care systems. Look at the stock market. Is it really a good idea for sick people to infect others simply because it may not be fatal for them?

^^amen^^

 

[SAMS]

CDC hasn't revealed information to doctors that would help coronavirus patients
By Elizabeth Cohen, Senior Medical Correspondent
Updated 4:25 PM EST, Sun March 01, 2020

CDC hasn't revealed information to doctors that would help coronavirus patients

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Great cruise but lots of people from my group (about 125 or us) left or got sick right after getting home. I don't go to the doctor unless i'm almost dead.. but we had some that ended up with Flu A,, some with Flu B, bronchitis and Pneumonia, and a few cases of pink eye of all things. My lungs are weak to begin with so i always get a respiratory thing, since i am up late, drink more and lower my immune system. So wasn't a surprise to me... its hung around a LOT longer than normal though. So i am going to go see my reg. doctor this week. 4 weeks is a long time to cough. But i work from home, so i basically self quarantine any time i'm sick.

What we have learned on the thread, is that some folks also had the flu at the SAME time, so docs never even checked for COVID-19. An example is David and Sally, the couple from the UK that we follow on the threads. He had BOTH the flu and COVID, and was only found when Drs in China did all the tests.

So unless you tell CDC/Dr. that you have some connection to this "mystery case" they'll never test ya? That's what is soooo wrong if they hide and don't give some inkling of the history of the patient so other individuals have a bell go off and say... "hey, I may be connected". Not saying you are.... just in general why Florida is back a$$wards in hiding this stuff MOO. That is how the 1918 flu epidemic got out of hand in part!

 

[SAMS]

I wouldn't want to, either. Which is one of the reasons I wouldn't go to China right now. My only point in this thread tonight (and it has veered, as it always does) is that I don't see this is a huge public health threat in the US of a very unusual nature. Yet it's being treated like one -- to the extreme, imo.

I throw my hands up Firebird, and hope you and yours stay healthy and clear of this deadly virus. Praying for those that haven’t been so fortunate. MOO

 

[Henry2326]

Henry, Thank you very much for all your informative posts....moo

You`re welcome...

 

[firebird]

firebird, have you been following the progression of this virus? Have you been following the enormous testing debacule that is going on in the United States?

The reason the US doesn’t have a “higher mortality rate” is because we’ve not been testing. And because the virus was brought here to the US relatively recently.

I’m assuming since you are not even slightly concerned, that you do not live in a town where there already has a concentration of confirmed cases (let me tell you that has power to change one’s perspective), and I assume as well that you do not have older loved ones anywhere in the country. Or have any friends or family that who are immuno-compromised.

This virus is FAR beyond our own personal concerns of whether we individually will die from it. IMO.

My opinion has nothing to do with my personal concerns. My opinion is that the personal concerns are being vastly overblown. My hypothesis is that, as we test more, the mortality rate will actually DECREASE, because people who are barely sick from the virus (which would be MOST people) typically woudn't even bother to get tested. They'd just grab a tissue, some chicken soup and binge-watch netflix for a few days. Agree to disagree.

 

[firebird]

I throw my hands up Firebird, and hope you and yours stay healthy and clear of this deadly virus. Praying for those that haven’t been so fortunate. MOO

Thanks. Same to you.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I was wondering about that, too. I don't understand why there is so much overbuying of water at Costco, etc. I don't plan to buy any at all. I have very good water where I live, I love it. There is no reason to think that our water supply will be affected due to the Coronavirus situation. If I guess wrong and there is a problem getting water, Lake Michigan is at the end of my street.

We can drink our water but prefer not to. We always buy water. I’m going to grab a faucet filter as a back-up.