Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #15

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I had a very intense discussion with my SIL this morning about her upcoming cruise. I told her I needed her to not see my parents for at least 14 days after she returns. That means my brother, who is not going on the cruise but who will be exposed to her afterwards, also cannot see them for that period. I also said I’m not wild about my brother potentially being exposed, either, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

She still believes it’s like the flu and the risk is low. But if my parents get it, they are done for, given their ages and pre-existing conditions. She agreed to stay away from them. But it was not a happy discussion. I feel bad about that, but part of my job is to protect my parents.
Good for you.
My ex FIL was talked into taking a trip from Ct. to Fl. during regular flu season , FIL caught the flu on the trip, needed to be hospitalized, got pneumonia and died. 80's, reasonably good health. So it does happen.
As of last night we have 2 cases now in South Carolina, the one mentioned above and an elderly woman in Kershaw County, which is a county next door to mine. I work in a large church office and no one I know, except DH, is concerned about this virus. Our local Walmart is fully stocked (as of yesterday morning anyway). I've been stocking up on stuff all week long - nonperishable foods, frozen entrees and veggies, cat food, OTC meds, toilet paper (currently have about 100 rolls, lol), and even diapers and formula for my special needs grandbaby. DH got out the Foodsaver and vacuum sealed 10 one pound packs of ground beef to add to what's already in the freezer. I'm still worried it's not enough.

Every one I talk to thinks I'm over-reacting. In fact, I asked one of the pastors and a deacon if they've considered not doing the hand-shake greeting during welcome time on Sunday morning. The deacon laughed and said, "only the crazies are worried about that!" And this man is a late 70s diabetic, a prime candidate for the virus! Unbelievable.

Maybe this case in Kershaw County will wake some people up! It's only a matter of time before it crosses that county line and, boom, it's right here amongst us (if not already)!!

this is the time for you to start protecting yourself and your own family.
"You can't Fix Stupid"
 
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AIPAC tells lawmakers, participants two attendees have COVID-19

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee told conference attendees, some of whom include lawmakers, that at least two conference-goers have tested positive for coronavirus.

The group said in a statement to attendees, speakers, administration and Capitol Hill offices on Friday that the two individuals affected traveled from New York to Washington, D.C. to attend the March 1-3 conference.

Attendees and speakers at the conference included Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., former 2020 Democratic candidate Mike Bloomberg, former candidate Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., and several other lawmakers on both sides.

The group's website says that more than about 18,000 people attend its conference from across the country, and that two-thirds of Congress participate.

Asked about it at a press conference about coronavirus, Pence and Dr. Anthony Fauci said this was the first they had heard of the AIPAC cases, which were announced by AIPAC shortly before the press event.

"We will be engaged I'm confident in the same contact tracing that we are for any case," Pence said.
 
  • #384
Numbers jump in France

The French Health Ministry has just announced that 11 people have now died from the coronavirus in the country.

Cases have jumped to 716 after 63 new infections were detected since the last update this morning.
France is one of the worst affected countries in Europe, where more than 7,000 people have been diagnosed with the new virus.
Even if the number of cases in France is high, it's not that high when you look at the population in France, compared to other European countries. Island have 34 cases and a population of 364.000, while France have 717 cases and a population of 65.2000.000. Even Sweden have more cases per 100.000 individuals than France.
 
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UK panic buying....we are learning that TP isn't a cultural thing...

Panic buying and stockpiling of toilet roll continues. These are the scenes at Costco in Farnborough in Hampshire today. #coronavirus #toiletpaperpanic #panickbuying Adam Clark on Twitter
 
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I can assure you, the tourists are not gone. This virus is like the flu and people will go to the theme parks sick. They spent all that money to get here, and get in, and they’re going to stay. It was, and is, not unusual to see people puking, coughing, sneezing, etc and remaining at events. You see this during hurricanes too. The tourists don’t leave until they’re forced to. There’s no way vendors are go to be able to control it, short of being forced to close. Traffic is still horrendous. It takes 30 min to go 10 miles.

I’ve been self quarantining for 3 years since my cancer diagnosis. I venture out only as necessary. I’ve long since made hand washing a priority. Hand sanitizer everywhere, tissues, increased use of paper towels, the house aired out at least monthly, vacuum, mop, dust regularly, etc. even the inside of the vehicle. I have a pair of driving gloves with a special finger tip that will allow me to use my cell phone screen. (Found them at Target 3 years ago.) I have gloves and masks the hospital gave me. I continue to use them as needed. A lot of this is common sense.

I was supposed to attend a 2 day cancer conference in Boca Raton next week but it has been cancelled. It’s now going to be online and the registration fee will not be adjusted. The hotel rooms are being refunded. The economy is for sure going to take a hit in the business arena. Highly doubtful the tourists will stay away. Just my thoughts tho.

That’s rough. I’m sorry to hear you’ve gone through all that.
 
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My friend who is a nurse in the Seattle area thinks so. Or so it seems.

She’s feels it will be mostly over in a couple months. From her lips to God’s ears.

I don't think it will be that simple.

I think the information coming out of China about re-infections, long-term lung damage, and lack of apparent immunity may make this a disease we always have to think about, especially in high-risk populations. And we don't yet know if it has a strictly seasonal virulence to the colder months of the year like influenza.

There are just too many undefined parameters to be that optimistic, in my opinion.

As a population, were are rather blase' about influenza, even though it kills ~ 15,000 Americans a year. Having the vaccine makes it a less terrifying disease, at least in those who will get the vaccine.

I'm also not counting on a vaccine for SARS-CoVid-2 to be as efficatious as Influenza. Coronaviruses are very prone to mutations and we've already had information from epidemiologists that in the span of 2 month they are being noticed.

But take a look at Zika. The cases have dropped off dramatically in 3 years. For 2018, fewer than 450 cases have been reported. Yet a Mayo Clinic paper in 2019 noted that there are 30 companies still attempting to develop a Zika vaccine and only 1 appears to have made it to Phase 2 trials, even after 3 years!!
 
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I mentioned many threads ago that the accuracy and timeliness of information from government officials was my primary concern as our nation deals with COVID-19 (and voted as such in the poll). I remain concerned about the accuracy and timeliness of information that is being disseminated. I understand the urge to withhold details so as not to cause alarm or confusion, but the American people have a right to know how COVID-19 is spreading nationally, statewide, and in their local communities. I hope the task force is making every effort to keep the American people well-informed without causing undue fear and panic.
This is also what I thought during our local news presser. In south jersey the media kept asking where in this county did the new case live? .......the guy would not state in what area he lived. That’s not helping the public.
 
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UK panic buying....we are learning that TP isn't a cultural thing...

Panic buying and stockpiling of toilet roll continues. These are the scenes at Costco in Farnborough in Hampshire today. #coronavirus #toiletpaperpanic #panickbuying Adam Clark on Twitter

Gosh and all I did was buy one mega package. I hope I’m not in trouble. I’m sure others can bring me TP if I need to isolate.
 
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I do not pretend to be a person of science, so bear with me, as this might be a stupid question. The flu vaccine can work because we build up immunity to the virus. However, as we are seeing hints that you can be reinfected with COVID-19, how is a vaccine likely to even work?
 
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I do not pretend to be a person of science, so bear with me, as this might be a stupid question. The flu vaccine can work because we build up immunity to the virus. However, as we are seeing hints that you can be reinfected with COVID-19, how is a vaccine likely to even work?
Flu vaccine doesn't work very well. I know a bunch of people this year who were vaccinated and still got the flu. And you don't build immunity for long, or you wouldn't need to be vaccinated every year.
 
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I don't think it will be that simple.

I think the information coming out of China about re-infections, long-term lung damage, and lack of apparent immunity may make this a disease we always have to think about, especially in high-risk populations. And we don't yet know if it has a strictly seasonal virulence to the colder months of the year like influenza.

There are just too many undefined parameters to be that optimistic, in my opinion.

As a population, were are rather blase' about influenza, even though it kills ~ 15,000 Americans a year. Having the vaccine makes it a less terrifying disease, at least in those who will get the vaccine.

I'm also not counting on a vaccine for SARS-CoVid-2 to be as efficatious as Influenza. Coronaviruses are very prone to mutations and we've already had information from epidemiologists that in the span of 2 month they are being noticed.

But take a look at Zika. The cases have dropped off dramatically in 3 years. For 2018, fewer than 450 cases have been reported. Yet a Mayo Clinic paper in 2019 noted that there are 30 companies still attempting to develop a Zika vaccine and only 1 appears to have made it to Phase 2 trials, even after 3 years!!

Well yes. I think this virus is here to stay. But hopefully the cases will peak and the drop off. At least for awhile. Because we can’t live like this.

By the way, my insurance company, Kaiser, is asking for volunteers for a clinical trial for a COVID19 vaccination.
 
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UK panic buying....we are learning that TP isn't a cultural thing...

Panic buying and stockpiling of toilet roll continues. These are the scenes at Costco in Farnborough in Hampshire today. #coronavirus #toiletpaperpanic #panickbuying Adam Clark on Twitter
The stockpiling of toilet paper hadn't hit our local Lidl shop when I visited it three hours ago, didn't see any other shortages either, compared how it usually is. (No, I didn't buy any toilet paper, nor anything more of other things than I usually do.)
 
  • #396
Flu vaccine doesn't work very well. I know a bunch of people this year who were vaccinated and still got the flu. And you don't build immunity for long, or you wouldn't need to be vaccinated every year.
That’s for different strains. I understand that. My understanding is that if you get FluA one year, you can’t get it again that year. Not so for this virus?
 
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Grrrrr. The almond business is huge ruthless agribusiness and not smiling folksy farmers as the ads portray. Huge issues with California's limited water supplies, too!

I didn’t know. I eat a lot of almonds.
 
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Ok....5 yours off. I'm sure the virus won't care.

Baby Boomers: Baby boomers were born between 1944 and 1964. They're current between 55-75 years old (76 million in U.S.)Jul 29, 2019

Read this....worse then anything I presented....

Presentation: US hospitals preparing for millions of hospitalizations - Business Insider

Small correction...baby boomers are the post-war baby boom starting in January 1946 according to most reference works. I should know...that’s the month I was born. :)

Baby boomers - Wikipedia
 
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This is also what I thought during our local news presser. In south jersey the media kept asking where in this county did the new case live? .......the guy would not state in what area he lived. That’s not helping the public.

I agree. Last night they confirmed a death is Lee County Florida which is the same county my 90 year old father-in-law is living in. I’d like to know what town exactly and have found nothing more about it.
 
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