Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #4

[Tadpole12]

What it's like to get coronavirus: Student from Wuhan reveals his three-week ordeal including 102F fever, pains 'in every part of my body' and a cough so bad 'I thought I would die'

Student from Wuhan reveals what it was like to get coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

"Ye said his temperature soared to 102F (39C) and he thought he 'was knocking on hell's door'."

That is intense.

 

[Amonet]

Isn't their handling of the situation "reassuring"?

It looks that way. But rationally *if* the person tests positive for Covid-19, then the other people on the plane have a chance of also being infected, but they're unlikely to have enough virus in them to infect anyone else for 24-72 hours (my estimate), so they might as well go home, and then once the test results on the first person come back they can be contacted and advised to self-isolate and report if they have any symptoms in the next 14 days.

 

[gregjrichards]

Face masks become the must-have accessory at trimmed-down London Fashion Week amid coronavirus panic as fashionistas stay away

Face masks become must-have accessory at London Fashion Week amid coronavirus panic | Daily Mail Online



Disaster chic. Just waiting for the £1000 Gucci face mask to come out.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Someone is not telling us something. Very dramatic approaches for something that is supposedly less dangerous than the flu. Imo (and ignorance prob)

IMO, they are treating this new to the world human virus just as if it was like the common flu.

Look at all the talk in the media, and even here on the thread saying this is nothing compared to all the deaths, illness, loss work, cost to the community, issues with health care/insurance with the common flu

Yet with this new one.. egads.. even just now will my insurance company cover a very $$ new COVID-19 test and cover a $$$ CAT scan for a simple cough and will it take 3 days to get approval from my provider in my HMO. Heck, have US insurance companies even put this into their potential algorithms for the cost. I've not heard WHO even mention such (as is right I guess, that's not their job, that is the job of each country and their health system working in concert with the gov'ment.. see above post about gov'ments / banks pumping monies into such support which are now in epidemic)

Yeah, it's dramatic even if exactly like/less than the current worldwide flu as to the potential impact if let loose on the world. without treatments (many antivirals for flu) or prevention (vaccine) like we have with the flu .. egads the numbers if we didn't have such for the common flu what would it look like? How many more cases world wide would we have if we had no vaccines or treatments for the common flu. Yep, they got on this quick with surveillance and needs everything thrown at it.

They indeed ARE telling us something and being dramatic for a reason MOO. And, I haven't heard any scientist/WHO/government say that this is less dangerous that the flu. Perhaps I missed?

I think this is what is the most concerning and why such dramatic approaches. MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It looks that way. But rationally *if* the person tests positive for Covid-19, then the other people on the plane have a chance of also being infected, but they're unlikely to have enough virus in them to infect anyone else for 24-72 hours (my estimate), so they might as well go home, and then once the test results on the first person come back they can be contacted and advised to self-isolate and report if they have any symptoms in the next 14 days.

Agree with the logic. Unfortunately we have 2 AWOL numnuts in another country who cannot be found and are "hiding" so perhaps they want to ensure containment?

Dunno, but my guess is they are in strict "protocol stance" now to prevent spread. They may be aware from previous disease outbreaks that follow up is logical for most folks with compliance, but they are dam*ed and determined to not let loose one person who might not comply?

Dunno.. but your post does seem logical.. yet all folks aren't. Ergo WHO statement last week to the people of Wuhan?

I will be very interested in keeping up on this thread what you guys find out in the future about these plane passengers and the outcome.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

An Auckland motel is demanding guests provide a medical certificate or prove that they have been in New Zealand longer than 14 days before they are allowed to check in.

“We have no problem with anyone who has been in New Zealand for some time already, but we will require medical certificates from visitors from other countries to state they are coronavirus-free,” he said.

“The only exception will be if they can prove, by showing us their passports, that they have not been to any countries that have confirmed coronavirus cases.”
Motel’s ’absurd’ virus request of guests

 

[Medstudies]

Face masks become the must-have accessory at trimmed-down London Fashion Week amid coronavirus panic as fashionistas stay away

Face masks become must-have accessory at London Fashion Week amid coronavirus panic | Daily Mail Online

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Disaster chic. Just waiting for the £1000 Gucci face mask to come out.

Betsey Johnson has had a line (along with uniforms) for awhile, bargain prices. (Via uniform advantage.)

And Fendi is on it - for air pollutants https://www.luisaviaroma.com/en-us/...JgIeEAQYBCABEgIVWfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&aka_re=1

It’s a bargain at under $300 lol

Gucci, Chanel and LV are apparently trying to set up new sweatshops to produce their trendy necessities.

 

[gregjrichards]

Woman arrested after faking coronavirus to skip queue at doctor's surgery

Claudia Maria Rosa da Silva went to the health clinic in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, claiming to have the virus saying she had just returned from Hong Kong

Woman arrested after faking coronavirus to skip queue at doctor's surgery

I wonder how many other people will try this and regret it she is lucky she wasn’t quarantined.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

An Auckland motel is demanding guests provide a medical certificate or prove that they have been in New Zealand longer than 14 days before they are allowed to check in.

“We have no problem with anyone who has been in New Zealand for some time already, but we will require medical certificates from visitors from other countries to state they are coronavirus-free,” he said.

“The only exception will be if they can prove, by showing us their passports, that they have not been to any countries that have confirmed coronavirus cases.”
Motel’s ’absurd’ virus request of guests

Since they had a plane full of evacuees land in Auckland, this notice may be more of a comforter for their normal clients to feel better and is more marketing. MOO. But the headline calls it "absurd" and does an article on it. SMH. MOO.

 

[gregjrichards]

Seeking to protect the city from a major outbreak, Beijing imposes new quarantine rules.

Chinese state-run television announced on its website on Friday evening that everyone returning to Beijing would be required to isolate themselves for 14 days.

Anyone who does not comply “shall be held accountable according to law,”

Coronavirus Live Updates: Beijing Sets Stringent New Quarantine Rules

This New York Times link is excellent for news updates on this terrible tragedy.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Ben (who was released from quarantine yesterday that we have followed on thread) and his mom's first interview ... over a pint! I think Ben may have had a pint before camera started rolling

LOL mom talks about his past etc. Funny.. that's what mom's do! Embarrass you hehehehe

 

[KALI]

This is terrible news!

Coronavirus Live Updates: China Says 1,700 Medical Workers Have Been Infected

Feb 14, 2020
NY Times
Coronavirus Live Updates China says 1,700 Medical Workers Have Been Infected

(Oh ya, saw video of medical workers, who I assume "volunteered",
getting real short-short haircuts and some having their heads shaved bald to eliminate possible contamination)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

First case in Egypt. (Source)

Joint Information statement by the Egyptian Ministry of health and population and who

Dr. Khaled Al-Mujahid, minister of health and population for public information, and the ministry's official speaker, explained that the ministry successfully discovered the first case of a foreign person infected with the corona virus through the implementation of the program. Electronic to register and follow up from the countries where there have been infections of the new corona virus and through the prevention teams that follow them around the clock, indicating that the test situation has been carried out, which results positive for the virus, But without any symptoms.

..the situation was taken by one of the self-sterilization ambulances to the hospital to remove him and follow him healthy ..does not show any symptoms, and its condition is fully stable.

In this regard, Dr. John Gabor, representative of the world health organization (who), praised Egypt for the rapid and transparent handling of the situation, and for its efforts to inform the organization of the situation as soon as it was suspect, and to start with the preventive measures that Taken by the ministry of health and population about the situation discovered and found.

The Minister of health and population is following the 24-Hour Crisis Management Chamber, which includes representatives from all ministries and stakeholders, at the beginning of the ministry, to follow up on the situation of the new corona virus within the country and the ministry's prevention plan With Outlets, ports and all health districts in the Republic, we are stressed to raise the level of preparation for the facilities at all outlets and airports across the Republic.

Translated from Arabic

 

[Medstudies]

IMO, they are treating this new to the world human virus just as if it was like the common flu.

Look at all the talk in the media, and even here on the thread saying this is nothing compared to all the deaths, illness, loss work, cost to the community, issues with health care/insurance with the common flu

Yet with this new one.. egads.. even just now will my insurance company cover a very $$ new COVID-19 test and cover a $$$ CAT scan for a simple cough and will it take 3 days to get approval from my provider in my HMO. Heck, have US insurance companies even put this into their potential algorithms for the cost. I've not heard WHO even mention such (as is right I guess, that's not their job, that is the job
of each country and their health system working in concert with the gov'ment.. see above post about gov'ments / banks pumping monies into such support which are now in epidemic)

Yeah, it's dramatic even if exactly like/less than the current worldwide flu as to the potential impact if let loose on the world. without treatments (many antivirals for flu) or prevention (vaccine) like we have with the flu .. egads the numbers if we didn't have such for the common flu what would it look like? How many more cases world wide would we have if we had no vaccines or treatments for the common flu. Yep, they got on this quick with surveillance and needs everything thrown at it.

They indeed ARE telling us something and being dramatic for a reason MOO. And, I haven't heard any scientist/WHO/government say that this is less dangerous that the flu. Perhaps I missed?

I think this is what is the most concerning and why such dramatic approaches. MOO

BBM: it appears so, but I suspect it can evolve

Interoperability Planning for 2019 novel Coronavirus Surveillance - HDD Access
...
name: 2019 novel Coronavirus. The World Health Organization updated the name 2/11/2020 to COVID-19. In addition to ICD-10-CM codes for diagnosis recording, two other international terminologies have added codes to enable clinical systems to track occurrence through embedded observations and testing: Logical Observation Identifiers Names and Codes (LOINC) for the assay identification and Systematized Nomenclature of Medicine Clinical Terms (SNOMED CT) for the microorganism entities. These two standards development organizations release international versions twice a year (typically January and June), but also have processes in place for non-scheduled events such as disease outbreaks and other issues that impact global health.

The following actions have been taken in the last two weeks internationally for public health surveillance through computer systems. SNOMED CT’s international release was announced January 31st, and even with the typical content life cycle taking months to curate, the dedicated staff provided terms in the organism, substance, event, disorder, procedure and situation domains: ...
2019 novel coronavirus - 3M Inside Angle

Please note that 2019-nCoV is a different coronavirus than those associated with MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome) and SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome). If there is evidence that a patient has SARS-associated coronavirus and the documentation is unclear, vague, or conflicting, then a query is appropriate to make certain the virus is classified appropriately. Codes identifying SARS-associated coronavirus include:

• Pneumonia due to SARS-associated coronavirus: J12.81 (Pneumonia due to SARS-associated coronavirus)
• Sepsis due to SARS-associated coronavirus: A41.89 and B97.21 (SARS-associated coronavirus as the cause of diseases classified elsewhere)

I will be monitoring the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and/or the American Hospital Association (AHA)/Coding Clinic for any official coding advice relative to this coronavirus that may be issued and will post updates accordingly.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Ha. I was just thinking about that this morning. It's a new test. It's for sure "out of network". It will all be testing and meds that aren't considered the standard and normal ones so will be out of network.

IMO, they are treating this new to the world human virus just as if it was like the common flu.

Look at all the talk in the media, and even here on the thread saying this is nothing compared to all the deaths, illness, loss work, cost to the community, issues with health care/insurance with the common flu

Yet with this new one.. egads.. even just now will my insurance company cover a very $$ new COVID-19 test and cover a $$$ CAT scan for a simple cough and will it take 3 days to get approval from my provider in my HMO. Heck, have US insurance companies even put this into their potential algorithms for the cost. I've not heard WHO even mention such (as is right I guess, that's not their job, that is the job of each country and their health system working in concert with the gov'ment.. see above post about gov'ments / banks pumping monies into such support which are now in epidemic)

Yeah, it's dramatic even if exactly like/less than the current worldwide flu as to the potential impact if let loose on the world. without treatments (many antivirals for flu) or prevention (vaccine) like we have with the flu .. egads the numbers if we didn't have such for the common flu what would it look like? How many more cases world wide would we have if we had no vaccines or treatments for the common flu. Yep, they got on this quick with surveillance and needs everything thrown at it.

They indeed ARE telling us something and being dramatic for a reason MOO. And, I haven't heard any scientist/WHO/government say that this is less dangerous that the flu. Perhaps I missed?

I think this is what is the most concerning and why such dramatic approaches. MOO

 

[Medstudies]

Seeking to protect the city from a major outbreak, Beijing imposes new quarantine rules.

Chinese state-run television announced on its website on Friday evening that everyone returning to Beijing would be required to isolate themselves for 14 days.

Anyone who does not comply “shall be held accountable according to law,”

Coronavirus Live Updates: Beijing Sets Stringent New Quarantine Rules

This New York Times link is excellent for news updates on this terrible tragedy.

Just looking back at thread 1 (1 month ago) it’s staggering to see this unfold and evolve. It’s interesting as well to see opinions and concern shift. More people are starting to talk about it (and I’m like, well you’re late to the party... but hey someone mentioned we have cookies!)

I’m sure I’m not alone, but I can’t be okay with “it’s not really a big deal because “flu is worse” or “it’s not pandemic” - because each hour brings another example of how this thing is NOT in control. And how hard this is going to be contain.

This is disrupting industry, healthcare and most importantly, lives. But I’m thankful that the trials will be underway and that it sounds promising...

stay well everyone. Wash those hands

 

[gregjrichards]

Hand dryers won't kill the coronavirus and nor will UV lamps: World Health Organization debunk 10 of the biggest myths surrounding the outbreak

Hand dryers won't kill the coronavirus: World Health Organization debunk 10 of the biggest myths | Daily Mail Online

 

[Rosegold68]

i think a colleague is on one of those planes. he's due in work on monday....what should i do? ask him to stay home?

 

[Medstudies]

Woman arrested after faking coronavirus to skip queue at doctor's surgery

Claudia Maria Rosa da Silva went to the health clinic in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, claiming to have the virus saying she had just returned from Hong Kong

Woman arrested after faking coronavirus to skip queue at doctor's surgery

I wonder how many other people will try this and regret it she is lucky she wasn’t quarantined.

Oh really? Wth is wrong with people?

but have you seen the “coughing while Asian” viral (poor choice of term ain’t it?) video.


Michael Tow and Teja Arboleda produced this funny 60 second video.
Coronavirus hysteria spawns funny Coughing While Asian video
...AsAmNews has Asian America in its heart. We’re an all-volunteer effort of dedicated staff...

 

[Amonet]

Agree with the logic. Unfortunately we have 2 AWOL numnuts in another country who cannot be found and are "hiding" so perhaps they want to ensure containment?

Dunno, but my guess is they are in strict "protocol stance" now to prevent spread. They may be aware from previous disease outbreaks that follow up is logical for most folks with compliance, but they are dam*ed and determined to not let loose one person who might not comply?

Dunno.. but your post does seem logical.. yet all folks aren't. Ergo WHO statement last week to the people of Wuhan?

I will be very interested in keeping up on this thread what you guys find out in the future about these plane passengers and the outcome.

If the plane cases had already been confirmed to be caused by Covid-19, I think personally that would call for stronger measures than giving people a phone number to call and telling them to go on to their destinations.

But, the plane cases haven't been confirmed, and I think seeing it happen raises questions in us that we don't have the answers to.

We, most of us, want to have a different response from our governments than some of the things we've heard from Wuhan and China.

So what they're trying to do is to limit the spread whilst causing as little inconvenience as they can to the general public.

Keep the healthcare response for people who need it (because they've tested positive) and not for people who were on a plane with someone who ends up testing negative, like the men in the prison.

I would say it's fair to ask the passengers on the plane to make their way to their destination without detours. I would probably ask them to self-isolate for 48 hours until the test results come back...and I don't think they have asked them to do that. But I think it would be a better middle-road response than packing off 1000 or so people from eight planes off to one of these evacuation/quarantine centres when we might find that none of the people on the planes had Covid-19. And effective precautions can be taken without going to that extreme.

They've acknowledged (here, USA, presumably other nations, too) that they are aiming to keep the confirmed cases low, and to limit outbreaks of onward transmission in our countries, but they're not trying to have zero numbers, just to keep the numbers low and manageable for as long as possible. I know that doesn't sound quite as reassuring as them trying to squelch every case. But that's what they did with Ebola and they kept the outbreaks very, very small outside of the three main affected countries in West Africa. Due to the nature of the flu-like Covid-19, they don't have as much confidence that numbers can be kept that low for the medium- and long-term. The long-term hopes will be on a virus, and also affected by what happens now and in the medium term. The medium-term they will hope for few cases, but acknowledge that it won't be zero. The 'now' is taking steps to set up for the medium-term and try to prevent larger-sized outbreaks of ongoing transmission by honing in on any confirmed cases and doing strong contact-checking around those cases to create a kind of firebreak around each case.