Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

[Amonet]

I think way too many assumptions were made early on. I’m still not convinced that 14 day quarantines aren’t a bad assumption...
I’ve still not seen confirmed data regarding the maximum incubation period.

I would hope that anyone who comes down with cold/flu symptoms after the 13 day quarantine would still be asked to inform the authorities and get tested just in case...so if there haven't been any incidents like that, and hundreds of people have now been released from those quarantines, so that would suggest that 14 days should be sufficient?

 

[margarita25]

Lol, I too was in a yoga class just the other day and was trying desperately to avoid the person next to me who was breathing on me

I decided to believe that if they were taking yoga then they would be in tune to their body and thus would have stayed home if they thought they’d been exposed to CV... ha!! Utterly illogical but made me feel better

(Ahahaha lol on yoga )

 

[Amonet]

Doesn’t this suggest a longer than 14 day incubation period?

frankly, at this point, it seems like w/asymptotic carriers and an unclear incubation period, we are basically in a bad way.

It says they started feeling symptoms while they were in isolation, so I would have thought that would mean during the 14 days, not after? Why it took so long to get them confirmed I don't know.

 

[Reachingfornettles]

If you consider that it sits on surfaces for 5 to 10 days also the 14-day quarantine was an early idea but has now changed to minimum 21 from what I heard from dr. John in the UK. I have also just heard that only three states in the United States have capabilities to even test for the Coronavirus. They have sent out faulty tests. By the time the tests are sent out how many people have it. 49 states don't have the test how would we know? Not fear mongering...dont b scared b prepared. JMO no truth out there yet on real numbers.

 

[margarita25]

I wonder if I can get in on this call in session with Doc T at the next Press Conference:

“Yes, hello, this is Margarita from WS, thank you for taking my question.

My question is for Doc T....”

Jk...I do have some questions for Dr. Tedros though!

 

[MJPeony]

DBM. (upon further research I think the link I used was CCP propaganda)

 

[Betty P]

If you consider that it sits on surfaces for 5 to 10 days also the 14-day quarantine was an early idea but has now changed to minimum 21 from what I heard from dr. John in the UK. I have also just heard that only three states in the United States have capabilities to even test for the Coronavirus. They have sent out faulty tests. By the time the tests are sent out how many people have it. 49 states don't have the test how would we know? Not fear mongering...dont b scared b prepared. JMO no truth out there yet on real numbers.

CDC needs to get their act together. They're probably understaffed, but also many likely under qualified. The Exec Branch doesn't recruit appointees there based on quality education and experience anymore. They used to have some good people there.

They just don't seem to know what they're doing, they keep making mistakes and screwing things up.

 

[margarita25]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30026-1/fulltext

Early epidemilogical analysis of the coronavirus disease 2019 outbreak based on crowdsourced data: a population-level observational study

Score! Sweet link.

 

[margarita25]

I will say that IMO Dr. Tedros seemed more concerned today. I have been analyzing him thoroughly from day 1. Moo.

(Not that he didn’t seem concerned before of course because he HAS shown concern all along, kwim.)

“The window of opportunity is narrowing...”

(Shudder)

 

[Amonet]

yes but how many people are carrying it without us knowing as it can take up to 24 days?

So we have people all over the world spreading it and they won’t even realize until it’s too late.
IMO

I'm personally not going to worry about the 24-day report for now until there's further information and clarification on it.

I just watched one of the Dr Seheult videos where he talked about nasal and throat swabbing of asymptomatic patients, and that they were showing the same levels of virus in their swabs as symptomatic patients. I guess if they're not coughing they might not spread it quite as easily as a symptomatic patient? But it still seems they could spread it. But eventually that would spread into a person who does get symptoms, and into someone who gets more severe symptoms so that they're hospitalised and tested, which would illuminate the cluster around the asymptomatic patient.

Yes, it concerns me that these clusters could be developing from either asymptomatic or mild cases, especially where the individuals concerned haven't traveled from/through China.

I think this is why many governments are admitting that they are expecting those sort of clusters to occur at some point, and the focus is on catching the cases they can, quarantine/isolation for the highest risk individuals, and effective contact-tracing efforts once one of these clusters does develop in order to rein it back in, as with the cluster of people around the British man who returned from Singapore infected and passed it onto a cluster of people, and we haven't heard of any more new cases developing from that cluster, so hopefully they did catch it in time to prevent wider community spread.

 

[margarita25]

yes but how many people are carrying it without us knowing as it can take up to 24 days?

So we have people all over the world spreading it and they won’t even realize until it’s too late.
IMO

I’m going to refer that question over to Dr. Sylvie.

ETA: Jinx @Amonet . I had a whole response typed out but deleted it...it basically said that imo I think Doc T and Dr. Sylvie would say that they are currently analyzing all the data as it is coming in.

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Rsbm
and, in other news...

U.S. takes steps to prepare for pandemic as global coronavirus cases rise

From the above link:

“Still, the CDC is preparing in the event the outbreak gets worse.

"We are reviewing all of our pandemic preparedness materials and adapting them to COVID-19," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said Friday during a media briefing, using the name of the disease caused by the coronavirus. "The materials will serve as a blueprint for the community interventions that we will use here in the U.S."

That means reinforcing infection control procedures, making sure health care workers have enough supplies, and planning for a possible influx of patients.

There may be a time when more aggressive measures, such as temporarily closing schools or businesses in the U.S., are necessary, she added.”

U.S. takes steps to prepare for pandemic as global coronavirus cases rise

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ETA: Going in to look for full CDC video on YT. Sounds like it’s not going to be pretty...

ETA2: Guess I’ll have to settle for the audio. Can’t find a full video atm

CDC Newsroom | Coronavirus Disease 2019

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/t0221-cdc-telebriefing-covid-19.mp3

(I know @Henry2326 already posted the above link)

 

[gregjrichards]

Australia will start relaxing travel bans for some high school students from China but not university students.

The federal government says a decision on university students could be in a week.

Year 11 and 12 students – other than those from the Hubei province at the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak – will be allowed to enter.

Australia relaxes coronavirus travel ban to allow some students from mainland China

 

[gregjrichards]

A plane carrying Britons who had been trapped on a coronavirus-hit cruise ship in Japan is on its way to the UK, the Foreign Office has said.

Some 78 Britons were on the Diamond Princess cruise liner when it was quarantined in Yokohama 16 days ago.

The Foreign Office said 32 British and European passengers were on board an evacuation flight, along with medical staff and British government officials.

Coronavirus-hit cruise Britons flying back to UK

 

[gregjrichards]

Federal judge blocks effort to transfer coronavirus patients to California city

The plan was to move dozens of patients who tested positive for the coronavirus from Travis Air Force Base in Northern California to Costa Mesa.

Federal judge blocks effort to transfer coronavirus patients to California city

 

[gregjrichards]

Covid-19, the new form of coronavirus which has killed over 2,000 people around the world, has become a notifiable disease in Scotland.

Health regulations have been updated, requiring doctors to inform health boards about any cases of the disease.

They must share patient information "if they have reasonable grounds to suspect a person they are attending has coronavirus".

Coronavirus: Public health rules tightened

 

[mickey2942]

I did a conscious test the other day to see if it’s possible to touch something that hasn’t already been touched, etc. In other words, for example, even when you go to the store and pick something off the shelf, someone, if not more than one, people have already touched it. Yes we are not clear yet on surface transmission but just sayin. (A lot of “just sayin” in here lol)

I was hanging upside down in a packed yoga class the other day when the lady next to me started coughing. If I jerked the wrong way in that position I could’ve hurt myself so I was forced to hold my breath (like that’s going to help).

My point is we can most certainly do things to protect ourselves, but there are also things that are out of our control sometimes.

You know, I literally can't go to the gym anymore. It feels like a giant petri dish of germs. I prefer to be alone, out running. Much cleaner, fresh air...less area for viruses to spread.

 

[margarita25]

Wow, just finished the CDC Teleconference...that was intense...

 

[margarita25]

Covid-19, the new form of coronavirus which has killed over 2,000 people around the world, has become a notifiable disease in Scotland.

Health regulations have been updated, requiring doctors to inform health boards about any cases of the disease.

They must share patient information "if they have reasonable grounds to suspect a person they are attending has coronavirus".

Coronavirus: Public health rules tightened

“Health Secretary Jeane Freeman said: "Although all Scottish tests have so far been negative, we are prepared for the high likelihood that we will also see a positive case in Scotland.

"These changes keep our public health legislation up to date, ensuring the health service in Scotland can quickly respond, if a suspected case of coronavirus is confirmed.

"Our NHS is well-equipped to cope with any suspected cases. We are actively working with health boards to ensure this, and have well-rehearsed procedures in place for infections of this kind."”

@gregrichards , I’m glad they sound very prepared in your neck of the woods.

 

[Amonet]

Oh no, just seeing that the Abels have both contracted pneumonia per YT Vlog, streamed live two hours ago per their son. Sally has mild pneumonia and David has acute pneumonia. They’ve been moved to another hospital which is less than stellar, no shower, towels. They are asked to wash themselves with paper towels using the basin. David is saying he is very weak, and had to use a wheel chair for the transport. They can’t eat and haven’t eaten since they’ve moved to the new hospital. They are very distressed. David may or may not need a ventilator. Tomorrow a BBC crew will come to the Abel’s son’s house. Sorry if repost.

ETA / Here is the link / @JerseyGirl, please delete if not allowed. Thank you.

Thanks for posting this, Mags. I'm glad their son got an update and I think a lot of people who've been following their videos, and articles about them, will be interested in how they are and hoping they won't get too ill, and that they'll recover well.

Paper towels would seem a lot more hygienic for this highly-communicable disease than using towels imho. At least the paper towels can just be bagged up and sent for incineration.

 

[margarita25]

If you consider that it sits on surfaces for 5 to 10 days also the 14-day quarantine was an early idea but has now changed to minimum 21 from what I heard from dr. John in the UK. I have also just heard that only three states in the United States have capabilities to even test for the Coronavirus. They have sent out faulty tests. By the time the tests are sent out how many people have it. 49 states don't have the test how would we know? Not fear mongering...dont b scared b prepared. JMO no truth out there yet on real numbers.

IMO, the jury is still out on how long the virus can live on surfaces (I’ve seen a multitude of variable reports), as well as the dynamics associated with actual surface transmission.

This would be one of my questions for the WHO panel, to ask them to elaborate more on this.

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ETA: Just like in the MP PC’s we watch, “this is an active, fluid, dynamic situation”...