Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

[LadyL]

Second Canada case announced today.....

On February 21, an adult woman arrived to Canada from China and presented at North York General Hospital's emergency department at the advice of Telehealth Ontario with an intermittent cough that was improving.

As per established infection, prevention and control protocols, the patient was cared for at North York General Hospital using all appropriate precautions including being isolated and was tested for COVID-19. Being mildly ill, the woman was discharged home and, per protocols, went into self-isolation.

Ontario Confirms Presumptive Case of COVID-19

thanks for that link - I didn't realize the first three cases are resolved

 

[gitana1]

God forbid, but if any of us here ever came down with this *knock on wood* we would be screaming at the doc not to give us tylenol (fever is good!) and get those steroids away from me etc.

I can bet that those who have been on this thread may know more than most docs do at this point

Fever is good?

 

[Tadpole12]

thanks for that link - I didn't realize the first three cases are resolved

Ya I was going to post the link and then became distracted with such fast paced news.
Atleast Ontario remains low in ttl number of confirmed cases and recovery of patients, for now.

 

[bluedivergirl]

Fever is good?

It can be. A low-grade fever tends to kill virus. You have to use your common sense, and be very watchful, but a fever doesn't always need to be treated.

 

[KALI]

There are a TON of stock pilling lists on line. 3 day, 1 week, two week and on and on.
This thread will quickly go off topic if we get into that.
Maybe a moderator could start a new thread for suggestions for items to purchase when this is declared a pandemic? That would be fabulous.

I appreciate the posts about what everyone is stocking up on. Has anyone made a list of suggestions for things to have on hand?

Any thoughts on which sanitizers are best?
I am guessing it is best to go with alcohol based hand sanitizers and bleach for home.

Usually i like tea tree oil and seventh generation multipurpose disinfecting cleaner but it is probably time to switch to bleach and alcohol.

 

[Henry2326]

Let’s put those Chinese figures into context. The figure of 150 deaths is the highest recorded number of deaths in China in 11 days.

• Monday 24 February: 150 deaths, 409 new cases
• Sunday 23 February: 97 deaths, 648 new cases
• Saturday 22 February: 109 deaths, 397 new cases
• Friday 21 February: 118 deaths, 889 new cases
• Thursday 20 February: 114 deaths, 394 cases (China stopped counting clinically diagnosed cases this day as confirmed cases and instead counted only cases that had tested positive)
• Wednesday 19 February: 136 deaths, 1,749 new cases
• Tuesday 18 February: 98 deaths, 1097 new cases
• Monday 17 February: 105 deaths, 2,048 new cases
• Sunday 16 February: 142 deaths, 2,009 new cases
• Saturday 15 February: 143 deaths, 2,641 new cases
• Friday 14 February: 121 deaths, 5,090 new cases
• Thursday 13 February: 254 deaths, 15,152 new cases (On this day China began including cases diagnosed by doctors and scans in addition to patients who had tested positive to virus).

Coronavirus live updates: China's Xi Jinping warns of 'crisis' and impact on economy | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

 

[LadyL]

I gotcha girl, approx location please.

just read three of the cases are resolved
London and Toronto Ontario Canada

 

[LadyL]

I've just been reading back and looks like people are stocking up?

 

[Henry2326]

Four Chinese provinces lower alert levels for virus
The Reuters news agency is reporting that the four Chinese provinces Yunnan, Guangdong, Shanxi and Guizhou on Monday lowered their coronavirus emergency response measures.

Yunnan and Guizhou cut their emergency response measures from level I to level III, according to local authorities, while Guangdong and Shanxi lowered their measures to level II.

China has a four-tier response system for public health emergencies that determines what measures it will implement, with level I the most serious.

Gansu province was the first to lower its measures on Friday, followed by Liaoning on Saturday.

Coronavirus live updates: China's Xi Jinping warns of 'crisis' and impact on economy | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

 

[KALI]

I agree with you again Amo

They based the 14 days on early research that said something like 95% of people infected would develop symptoms in about 12.5 days (and I think the average was about 2 to 7 days) , so they felt that 14 days would catch almost all cases. I think it's best combined with testing, as even if someone's not feeling ill by day 14, they might well test positive by then. So I would think a test on day fourteen along with zero symptoms should catch most of the cases (95%+) and then people would have to be warned that if they do start feeling under the weather after the end of the 14 days to inform their doctor or call a dedicated helpline.

They've said all along that their aim isn't about having zero cases but about minimising the number of cases.

I am curious about what sort of changes might happen if/when there's a declaration of pandemic. But even now countries in Europe, North America and elsewhere should know what they're going to do upon that announcement, they shouldn't be waiting for that announcement to get hospitals etc prepared imho.

I wish they were communicating better with the public and telling people 'if x happens, we will do y" so that things don't come as a shock to the public and so that there's better understanding of 'why' certain decisions are taken. I think it's the not-knowing that often feeds fear and conspiracy theories. Not everyone wants to get into it as deeply as us, but they still need answers to their questions to be there for when they need them.

 

[Amonet]

I'm confused about these numbers in the US, perhaps just a news reporting error?

Court blocks plan to send up to 50 evacuated American coronavirus patients to California facility | Daily Mail Online

DM says there are 50 American coronavirus patients evacuated from the Diamond Princess ship, yet the totals listed at CDC show only 14 US patients, NYT says 35. What gives? The CDC site is terrible, it gives very little information.

Coronavirus Map: Tracking the Spread of the Outbreak

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

I think the Daily Mail is incorrect in calling them coronavirus patients, when they're actually people who haven't tested positive, but they are in quarantine to see if they get it after coming back from the cruise ship?

The 14 who tested positive would surely be in hospitals?

 

[Henry2326]

Over 110 people including nine medical staff, at the Daenam Hospital in South Korea have been confirmed to be infected with Covid-19, with five victims of the potentially fatal illness reported or linked to the hospital, which has been in cohort isolation to stem further spread.

Coronavirus live updates: China's Xi Jinping warns of 'crisis' and impact on economy | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

 

[jjenny]

It can be. A low-grade fever tends to kill virus. You have to use your common sense, and be very watchful, but a fever doesn't always need to be treated.

Yep, fever indicates you system is fighting the disease. But fever becomes dangerous if it gets too high.
"A fever is a common sign of illness, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, fevers seem to play a key role in fighting infections. So should you treat a fever or let the fever run its course? Here's help making the call."
Fever treatment: Quick guide to treating a fever

 

[margarita25]

Ya I was going to post the link and then became distracted with such fast paced news.
Atleast Ontario remains low in ttl number of confirmed cases and recovery of patients, for now.

Global News Canada on YT has been an invaluable resource. Canada’s got it going on, ain’t no doubt about it. I said that from the very first PC.

 

[Amonet]

I’m seeing a lot of “pressure” starting to accumulate online upon WHO re: the declaration of the “P” word. There is already a lot of buzz starting on if WHO is dropping the ball.

Considering the recent events, tomorrow will be a very interesting PC. We are obviously seeing “sustained human to human transmission” and intercontinental cases.

Maybe WHO will declare a “P” tomorrow.

And if so:

As the Brits will hopefully understand,

Can I have a "P" please, Bob!

(Reference to a UK quiz show hosted by Bob Holness, called Blockbusters, where the contestants asked for a letter from the board, and would be asked a question to which the answer began with that letter. There were always smirks and giggles when someone asked for a "P".)

 

[KALI]

I do not believe ANY figures from China.
I would conservatively triple, any numbers they release.
When I say, conservatively...I really mean that.
Probably safe to increase their released numbers 10 fold.
Seriously.

Let’s put those Chinese figures into context. The figure of 150 deaths is the highest recorded number of deaths in China in 11 days.

• Monday 24 February: 150 deaths, 409 new cases
• Sunday 23 February: 97 deaths, 648 new cases
• Saturday 22 February: 109 deaths, 397 new cases
• Friday 21 February: 118 deaths, 889 new cases
• Thursday 20 February: 114 deaths, 394 cases (China stopped counting clinically diagnosed cases this day as confirmed cases and instead counted only cases that had tested positive)
• Wednesday 19 February: 136 deaths, 1,749 new cases
• Tuesday 18 February: 98 deaths, 1097 new cases
• Monday 17 February: 105 deaths, 2,048 new cases
• Sunday 16 February: 142 deaths, 2,009 new cases
• Saturday 15 February: 143 deaths, 2,641 new cases
• Friday 14 February: 121 deaths, 5,090 new cases
• Thursday 13 February: 254 deaths, 15,152 new cases (On this day China began including cases diagnosed by doctors and scans in addition to patients who had tested positive to virus).

Coronavirus live updates: China's Xi Jinping warns of 'crisis' and impact on economy | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

 

[margarita25]

Over 110 people including nine medical staff, at the Daenam Hospital in South Korea have been confirmed to be infected with Covid-19, with five victims of the potentially fatal illness reported or linked to the hospital, which has been in cohort isolation to stem further spread.

Coronavirus live updates: China's Xi Jinping warns of 'crisis' and impact on economy | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

This is starting to sound like a freaking WAR. M*A*S*H* anyone?

How many doctors have been killed so far? At least 5ish that I’ve heard of MOO...

How many medical workers...

Here’s what trips me out and maybe one of the many experienced medical professionals in the thread can explain—-

We have all kinds of infectious syndromes that medical workers face on a daily basis...

There is the aspect of medical workers having the “immunity” to fight other illnesses they face on a daily basis?

Just thinking about the aspect of “immunity”...

Man I’m really worried for front line medical workers. Again, not to sound like an alarmist, but seriously, do medical workers drop dead from influenza?

There are vaccines for that, etc...

Here’s another thing:

I haven’t heard too much in the past about “cleaners/janitors” AND other patients being cross infected.

Is this something that happens frequently and we just don’t know about it? Maybe it does...I think this bug is contagious as Fudge.

 

[Henry2326]

I do not believe ANY figures from China.
I would conservatively triple, any numbers they release.
When I say, conservatively...I really mean that.
Probably safe to increase their released numbers 10 fold.
Seriously.

An overwhelming majority agree with you.....

 

[margarita25]

• I've just been reading back and looks like people are stocking up?

Yeah you could say that.

(ETA: We were preshopping before the “P” word hits twitter and FB and goes viral, no pun intended. in case it does, knock on wood.)

 

[K_Z]

Ok, friends-- we need a little visual humor in here! I don't know if this is sincere, but it's definitely hilarious! (Dear hubby says, "isn't the plastic against his face?" Lol!!

Coronavirus life hack-- when the stores are out of medical face masks, one needs to improvise.....….

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