Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #8

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  • #541
You really need to try Ethel M's. The liqueur chocolates, are the best. We are talking some major chocolate here. Definitely go big. We are talking that, if you are going to die, you need the good stuff.

Ethel M Chocolates Premium Chocolate Gifts - Ethel M
I so agree! Just bought DH a box of Cherry Cordials for Valentine's Day. We discovered this extremely yummy candy when my dad lived in Terre Haute and sent us a box for Christmas. It actually had a "Must be 21 or older to buy this candy" label on it.

Godiva (Belgium chocolate) still ranks #1 for me though.
 
  • #542
Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railroad by any chance? Or Galaxy's Edge? Lucky you. I know how you feel. Fast passes are precious commodities.

Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway...try saying that 3 times fast! We actually went to Galaxy's Edge last weekend and rode Rise of the Resistance and Smuggler's Run. I had a FP for Smuggler's Run (SO lucky to get it) and we got there at the crack of dawn to try and get a boarding pass for Rise of the Resistance (we somehow managed to get one!). I'm not a Star Wars fan (in fact I've never actually seen a SW movie...GASP!) but that ROR ride was phenomenal.
 
  • #543
ergo the reason that they are trying to get the word out to get flu shots?
I've never seen stats on "what percentage of people that get the flu have had a flu shot"... I guess it differs year to year as the strains are guessed on using years past strains for the vaccine. Anyone know the answer?

Flu shots 2019: Only 52% of Americans plan to get vaccinated - CNN
Here's a simple answer from a couple years ago.

There are many reasons to get an influenza (flu) vaccine each year. Below is a summary of the benefits of flu vaccination, and selected scientific studies that support these benefits.

  • Flu vaccination can keep you from getting sick with flu.
    • Flu vaccine prevents millions of illnesses and flu-related doctor’s visits each year. For example, during 2017-2018, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 6.2 million influenza illnesses, 3.2 million influenza-associated medical visits, 91,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations, and 5,700 influenza-associated deaths.
    • During seasons when the flu vaccine viruses are similar to circulating flu viruses, flu vaccine has been shown to reduce the risk of having to go to the doctor with flu by 40 percent to 60 percent.
  • Vaccine Effectiveness: How Well Do the Flu Vaccines Work? | CDC
 
  • #544
Godiva (Belgium chocolate) still ranks #1 for me though.

zecats - This is an Emergency Situation and we all must play our part and sacrifice.

I don't want to contribute to the worldwide spread of COVID-19 by buying products from Europe, so I'll just buy local. ( heh heh heh, pounds of Sees Candy for me!)
 
  • #545
zecats - This is an Emergency Situation and we all must play our part and sacrifice.

I don't want to contribute to the worldwide spread of COVID-19 by buying products from Europe, so I'll just buy local.
Well I do buy the candy at Macys quite often so I guess that's sort of a local support.

ETA There's a chocolate company in Lititz, PA call Wilbur Chocolate that makes darn good stuff too. My grandfather swore by them...Wilbur Buds.
 
  • #546
Poor people spending their last few dollars on extra food or hand sanitizer has literally nothing to do with the stock market. That is seriously nothing most of us posting in this thread ( or anywhere else) have the slightest chance of affecting. And the people who do effect the market are paying attention to actual statistics regarding COVID-19 spread, shutdown of factories in production in China etc. I'm honestly baffled that someone would seriously think increased buying of groceries could negatively affect the market or cause an economic downturn. In general it's not the poor having any sort of real control on the economy and certainly not the stock market.
I totally agree.

Plus, if people are spending money on groceries and sanitizer, at least those items will be used, saving them money from having to buy the items later.

If people are truly panicking and spending beyond their means, I would assume that is a very low number and speaks to their own personal mental health more than it does the overall global economy.

jmo
 
  • #547
Are you an optimist or a pessimist? Friends and I have discussed the obvious panic in some people in the states, and we're genuinely interested. For the record I'm an optimist, my glass is always at least half full. I am also 4 years NED (no evidence of disease) of a late stage aggressive cancer. For the record statistically I only had a 15-20% chance to live for 5 years. I frequently write with others who have what we describe "cancer head". That is when the fear of cancer crowds out all thoughts other than when will it recur.

I only ask this because I am in the middle of the US, near a University that is now calling back students from South Korea who are studying there. We understand these measures as being conservative, not fear rational. I am also located 50 miles from the UNMC campus which has housed Ebola patients and now coronavirus patients. We're just trying to understand if large major cities are more prone to worrying because of the population.

My friends and I have a healthy outlook on life, not wanting to take unnecessary risks, but wanting to live life today, not delay for a future date.

We are serious in trying to understand the panic buying of things, even when people say they can't afford to buy extra because of income limitations. We see it as sad that people will spend their last few dollars on things that they normally wouldn't, when they so badly need to have living expenses for the next week. We also see that panic as part of the reason for the market downturn and possible economic downturn.

Thanks and always me and my friends MOO
I’m following closely but definitely not in panic mode. I don’t plan to buy masks, gloves, or things I wouldn’t normally buy like hand sanitizer. I’m very germ conscious and wash my hands frequently anyway. I will continue to follow CDC guidelines and any public service announcements in my area. I live on the gulf coast of Louisiana and it doesn’t seem to be getting very much attention here.

I think people need to do what makes them feel comfortable and secure and if that’s stocking up then that’s okay. I worry about the people that might not be able to find or afford the proper masks, hand sanitizers, etc., that they think they might need. Stress and anxiety can weaken our immune systems and that’s not good either.
 
  • #548
You really need to try Ethel M's. The liqueur chocolates, are the best. We are talking some major chocolate here. Definitely go big. We are talking that, if you are going to die, you need the good stuff.

Ethel M Chocolates Premium Chocolate Gifts - Ethel M

Wow! That is seriously “go big or go home” chocolate. Each little piece in the box I want is $2. The description cracks me up...the filling is “enrobed” in fine dark chocolate. I’ll be happy to “disrobe” it. :D:p
 
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  • #550
Just wanted to say, this virus has been around since mid-december in China. We're now headed into March. The USA has had untold, probably tens of thousands of Chinese flying into her various airports.
We've had 0 deaths.
I personally, after doing some due diligence "stocking up", think that America is going to be okay.
Leaders, medical, businesses, scientists and more and more citizens are paying attention and taking steps to minimize a runaway outbreak.
The places I worry about are poor countries with substandard health care and large populations of uneducated people.
Just my .02 cents.
 
  • #551
Just wanted to say, this virus has been around since mid-december in China. We're now headed into March. The USA has had untold, probably tens of thousands of Chinese flying into her various airports.
We've had 0 deaths.
I personally, after doing some due diligence "stocking up", think that America is going to be okay.
Leaders, medical, businesses, scientists and more and more citizens are paying attention and taking steps to minimize a runaway outbreak.
The places I worry about are poor countries with substandard health care and large populations of uneducated people.
Just my .02 cents.
I agree. We have great medical care here....and, perhaps more importantly, extensive communication where accurate information is given to the public. HUGE advantage.

My sis sent me a link to a MSM article and told me that Americans are supposed to prepare for the virus. Well, the article actually said institutions and local governments need to prepare.

But the advice for regular folks was to wash hands, cover coughs, avoid contact with sick people, stay home if sick, avoid travel to known hot spots.

jmo
 
  • #552
Just wanted to say, this virus has been around since mid-december in China. We're now headed into March. The USA has had untold, probably tens of thousands of Chinese flying into her various airports.
We've had 0 deaths.
I personally, after doing some due diligence "stocking up", think that America is going to be okay.
Leaders, medical, businesses, scientists and more and more citizens are paying attention and taking steps to minimize a runaway outbreak.
The places I worry about are poor countries with substandard health care and large populations of uneducated people.
Just my .02 cents.


I don't think we can yet say definitively that there have been 0 deaths. I believe that some people have likely died from "pneumonia" in the past 2 months and no one has known it was caused by COVID19.

Also, the time from infection/symptoms/to death looks like it's about 2-3 weeks. It will take more time for things to brew.

All JMO.
 
  • #553
Poor people spending their last few dollars on extra food or hand sanitizer has literally nothing to do with the stock market. That is seriously nothing most of us posting in this thread ( or anywhere else) have the slightest chance of affecting. And the people who do effect the market are paying attention to actual statistics regarding COVID-19 spread, shutdown of factories in production in China etc. I'm honestly baffled that someone would seriously think increased buying of groceries could negatively affect the market or cause an economic downturn. In general it's not the poor having any sort of real control on the economy and certainly not the stock market.
You have misunderstood my post, of course the poor haven't anything to do with economy and the stock market. Perhaps I should have started a new paragraph with the market or economic downturn to make it clearer to you. My apologies.

My post was trying to write that the obvious panic that people are spreading, have also shown panic to the people that have limited resources. I've read on this forum that people have spent money because of panic buying. IMO there is a desperation to buy masks, and they can't buy them. Or they need to buy up hand sanitizer, but the supply is gone. AACK! Shudder. Not kidding you, I've read these words on this forum.

Obviously we all read and interpret what we see, most times different than the next person. But I just want to point out that the sky is not falling IMO and people need to be aware that the spread of doom and gloom with nothing about a little hope, is the worst way to cause panic. Panic leads to chaos, chaos leads to sadness. I am only trying to say there is another way to look at this health emergency. Trust your community leaders, not gossip mongers.

Just MOO.
 
  • #554
My friends and I have a healthy outlook on life, not wanting to take unnecessary risks, but wanting to live life today, not delay for a future date.

We are serious in trying to understand the panic buying of things, even when people say they can't afford to buy extra because of income limitations. We see it as sad that people will spend their last few dollars on things that they normally wouldn't, when they so badly need to have living expenses for the next week. We also see that panic as part of the reason for the market downturn and possible economic downturn.

Thanks and always me and my friends MOO

Congratulations on your cancer survival!!!

To answer your post, I wouldn’t call what you are seeing on this thread as panic, but more as active planning and brainstorming. I’m certainly not panicking...I think that’s a waste of emotional energy that could be put to better use being prepared. I consider myself an optimist, and I think it’s easier to be optimistic when you have taken reasonable precautions. My husband and I have had emergency “Go-bags” and “shelter in place” supplies gathered for some years. We live in earthquake and wildfire country near a major interstate, so preparation seems prudent. Rather than raid our go-bags, I will inventory our supplies in the basement and see if I need to add anything in case we need to isolate ourselves. I know I need to restock cough medicine, canned and dry food, wipes and hand sanitizer for general use, etc. so I’ll do that and be good to go (or stay :)).

I think the market tanking is due to stockholders selling in a panic, which I think is really stupid personally (and we do own...and are not selling...stocks). If anything, I would hazard a guess that lack of confidence in the way the government is handling this is contributing to panicky selling. As far as possible economic downturn, that will be a domino effect trickling down to smaller businesses IMO. Large companies such as Google and Amazon are taking prudent precautions and this will impact lots of other businesses, but no one wants to be blamed for exposing people to COVID-19. Rock meet hard place.
JMO MOO
 
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  • #556
You have misunderstood my post, of course the poor haven't anything to do with economy and the stock market. Perhaps I should have started a new paragraph with the market or economic downturn to make it clearer to you. My apologies.

My post was trying to write that the obvious panic that people are spreading, have also shown panic to the people that have limited resources. I've read on this forum that people have spent money because of panic buying. IMO there is a desperation to buy masks, and they can't buy them. Or they need to buy up hand sanitizer, but the supply is gone. AACK! Shudder. Not kidding you, I've read these words on this forum.

Obviously we all read and interpret what we see, most times different than the next person. But I just want to point out that the sky is not falling IMO and people need to be aware that the spread of doom and gloom with nothing about a little hope, is the worst way to cause panic. Panic leads to chaos, chaos leads to sadness. I am only trying to say there is another way to look at this health emergency. Trust your community leaders, not gossip mongers.

Just MOO.
There is a clear difference between “panic buying” and being prepared. I have seen very few if any people panicking on this forum. Jmo
 
  • #557
This is one antiviral drug that's being trialed in China right now - looks pretty promising to
me. Plant based, already FDA approved, works on SARS and Ebola, and it's cheap.


A made-in-Canada solution to the coronavirus outbreak?
The best hope for an antiviral drug may come from Michel Chrétien’s Montreal lab
by Nick Taylor-Vaisey
Feb 24, 2020

  • Fifteen years ago, a medical researcher named Michel Chrétien and his longtime collaborator Majambu Mbikay, a Congolese scientist, unhatched a theory in their Montreal laboratory. In the aftermath of the SARS epidemic that infected 8,000 patients in 26 countries, Chrétien and Mbikay, researchers at the Clinical Research Institute of Montreal (IRCM), began testing their idea that a derivative of quercetin, a plant compound known to help lower cholesterol and treat inflammatory disease—and common, at low doses, in over-the-counter medication—was a “broad spectrum” antiviral drug that could fight a range of viruses.

When an Ebola outbreak struck West Africa in 2014, the two scientists teamed up with the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg to test quercetin’s effectiveness on mice infected with Ebola—and found it effective even when administered only minutes before infection. It still needs to undergo clinical trials.

But when a new global health crisis erupted in Wuhan, China late last year, Chrétien and his team once again got to thinking. They believed the drug might work on COVID-19, which has infected nearly 80,000 people and killed 2,600, according to the World Health Organization. They knew a Swiss drug manufacturer, Quercegen Pharmaceuticals, could rapidly produce doses of the treatment in the hundreds of thousands.

The 84-year-old Chrétien was, for a time, the world’s seventh most cited scientist. His name runs atop more than 600 publications and he proudly affixes an Order of Canada pin to his lapel. His achievements rival those of his older brother Jean—an impressive claim given that particular sibling served as prime minister of Canada for a decade. Michel has almost certainly saved more lives in his time.

Michel Chrétien has a long-standing connection to high-level scientists in China. While a student at Berkeley University, he received some training from a Chinese researcher, Dr. C.H. Li, an enduring connection that saw him visit and work in China eight times starting in 1979. In the 1980s, Chrétien was an honorary professor at the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and Peking Union Medical College. In 1984, when he started a decade-long stint as president of the IRCM, he trained emerging scientists from China there. One of those relative youngsters was Chen Zhu, a molecular biologist who, back home in China, eventually entered politics and served as minister of health from 2007 until 2013. When a novel coronavirus outbreak exploded in China this past January, Chrétien contacted Zhu with an offer: “Can we help?”

Zhu contacted officials at the highest levels of the National Health Commission, the government agency managing the crisis. Word came back to Chrétien and his team in mid-February. Last week, they invited Chrétien’s team to start clinical trials in China. The plan: send samples of quercetin to the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Wuhan. The Canadian and Chinese scientists would collaborate on the trials, which would include about 1,000 test patients. Chrétien and Mbikay plan to join colleagues from the non-profit International Consortium of Antivirals—which Chrétien co-founded with Jeremy Carver in 2004 as a response to the SARS epidemic—in manning a 24/7 communications centre as soon as clinical trials go ahead.

The U.S.-based Food and Drug Administration has already approved quercetin as safe for human consumption, which means the researchers can skip testing on animals. If the treatment works, it’ll be readily available. Now Chrétien just needs the funding to start the trials. He estimates the teams need $5 million. But the payoff, he says, could be huge.


Chrétien’s team says their treatment would cost only $2 a day. They’ve spent weeks pursuing officials at Global Affairs Canada, including senior staff in the office of Foreign Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne. The request was then flipped to Health Canada. There’s no time to waste, says Chrétien. “I’ve been doing science all my life. I’ve stumbled on things my entire career, and this is probably the most urgent one I’ve been confronted with,” he says.

Quercetin isn’t the only possible treatment for COVID-19; Nature reported that 80 clinical trials on potential treatments are underway in China. But it remains one of the biggest potential leaps in finding a treatment for the deadly coronavirus strain; if it works, it could save thousands of lives.

Chrétien, who has spent most of his extensive medical career wearing a lab coat and testing hypotheses, simply touts the benefits of academic freedom as he and his team go about their work. “Basic science is worth doing for the sake of doing it, not knowing what the results will be in the short term or medium term,” he says. “Long-term returns can be big.”
 
  • #558
I don't think we can yet say definitively that there have been 0 deaths. I believe that some people have likely died from "pneumonia" in the past 2 months and no one has known it was caused by COVID19.

Also, the time from infection/symptoms/to death looks like it's about 2-3 weeks. It will take more time for things to brew.

All JMO.
I agree the virus didn’t just show up on our door step. If it was severe in China, and this is an international world, the virus, most likely, was present in the US earlier than thought, confused with a flu virus. If you recall, the flu supposedly was worse this year than in past years.
 
  • #559
You have misunderstood my post, of course the poor haven't anything to do with economy and the stock market. Perhaps I should have started a new paragraph with the market or economic downturn to make it clearer to you. My apologies.

My post was trying to write that the obvious panic that people are spreading, have also shown panic to the people that have limited resources. I've read on this forum that people have spent money because of panic buying. IMO there is a desperation to buy masks, and they can't buy them. Or they need to buy up hand sanitizer, but the supply is gone. AACK! Shudder. Not kidding you, I've read these words on this forum.

Obviously we all read and interpret what we see, most times different than the next person. But I just want to point out that the sky is not falling IMO and people need to be aware that the spread of doom and gloom with nothing about a little hope, is the worst way to cause panic. Panic leads to chaos, chaos leads to sadness. I am only trying to say there is another way to look at this health emergency. Trust your community leaders, not gossip mongers.

Just MOO.

BBM

All due respect Wicked- I do no share your same thoughts.

I’m not sure where you are located. Maybe that does or doesn’t affect your perspective. As for me, if you were in my shoes it’s possible you may have a different perspective. When this thing is firmly in your neighborhood it brings things home a bit.

As for trusting our “leaders”... it depends on how good your leaders are IMO. My “leaders” in California have so far failed to test over 8,000 people sitting around being monitored. That does not inspire trust.

Also, for the record, I have not found the vast vast majority of posters stoking doom and gloom on this thread. I’ve personally found it very informative and well balanced with lots of people sharing great ideas for quarantine, should such a situation ever arise.

And for some of us that situation is knocking on our door sooner than later. I’m grateful to have had the info that’s been shared here- I can pick preparation actions as I personally see fit or appropriate to my needs.

I’ve also enjoyed the levity here. Not doom and gloom at all as far as I’m concerned.


JMO.
 
  • #560
Or they need to buy up hand sanitizer, but the supply is gone. AACK! Shudder. Not kidding you, I've read these words on this forum.

I posted about sanitizers. I was at the drug store and looked for a mini container to carry with me. There was ONE left. My surprise was the inventory was out, not because I was in a panic that I couldn't buy a supply.

I purchased the one available sanitizer. It was $1.79 plus tax. My budget absorbed the extra cost. :)

At another store today, I checked out the hand sanitizers. I mentioned here on the thread that the shelf was empty. I rarely - maybe never! - have seen an empty shelf of ANYTHING in my grocery story. Being surprised at this seems like a reasonable reaction. (And, yes, I would like some sanitizers to carry to use when I don't have access to a sink but want clean hands.)

I would assume my interest and reaction is rather common. We're following a current event on a discussion board....we might say ACK once in awhile.

jmo
 
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