Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #101

[Deleted member 158085]

So, people who don't get benefits don't have jobs? No. Most people who collect benefits do work. It is called "the working poor". Usually jobs at gas stations, cashiers, other low paid wages. And many of these employers are not requiring vaccines to maintain employment.

I didn't say that. Some of those people may have a mandate through their jobs. They aren't going to be exempt from getting the vaccine if there is a mandate just because they receive SNAP.

I don't see your logic here - saying that if one of the largest employers (the government) mandates vaccines for its employees, that also random people who are not employed by that employer should also have to be vaccinated simply because they receive entitlements.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Bill Gates: Nonvaccinated Should Be Withheld Their Social Security Benefits.

Why does Biden's vaccine mandate not apply to welfare recipients and others?

Biden should expand vaccine mandate to Medicare and food stamps recipients

Vaccine should be mandatory for those receiving government healthcare, ABC News's Margaret Hoover says

Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccination for Health Care Workers as a Condition for Medicare and Medicaid Participation - Center for American Progress

IMO, the reason it hasn't been mandated yet is because this first round of vaccine mandates is about workplace safety. But now that we see other companies now saying it's also about healthcare costs (you get vaccinated or pay higher insurance premiums through your employer), it's conceivable that the Biden administration will begin to look at similar mandates.

IMO, this hasn't been done yet because this would include VA benefits. And so the same portion of the population who would be screaming yes, force those people on SNAP to get vaccinated are going to say, BUT not our veterans. - we shouldn't force them.

So if he does it, it will be interesting to see these folks tie themselves in illogical knots over why certain people, who are receiving certain entitlement should be forced while others should not.

 

[Cool Cats]

IMO, the reason it hasn't been mandated yet is because this first round of vaccine mandates is about workplace safety. But now that we see other companies now saying it's also about healthcare costs (you get vaccinated or pay higher insurance premiums through your employer), it's conceivable that the Biden administration will begin to look at similar mandates.

IMO, this hasn't been done yet because this would include VA benefits. And so the same portion of the population who would be screaming yes, force those people on SNAP to get vaccinated are going to say, BUT not our veterans. - we shouldn't force them.

So if he does it, it will be interesting to see these folks tie themselves in illogical knots over why certain people, who are receiving certain entitlement should be forced while others should not.

On this subject you know exactly what to say. Go Jane!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I think it's important to remember, when discussing government mandates, that our president is not a dictator. He can't just simply mandate everything he'd like to mandate immediately. There is a process. He's not going to announce a mandate that hasn't been through the rigorous process of vetting exactly how it will be implemented. If he did, and it wasn't implemented well, there would be hell to pay.

That's why the government is introducing mandates a little at a time. Healthcare workers - check. Government employees - check. Now I'm sure they are researching the legality and doability of implementing other mandates.

I do want to point out, though, that if the administration had started with mandating vaccinations for immigrants, there would have been people screaming about why we were "wasting" precious vaccines on folks who aren't citizens. They sure would have. Of course, by not doing it right away, the same people are screaming that it should have been done immediately.

But I know the game - damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

But we know it's coming at some point.

I know how long it takes, even in a small organization, to prepare any kind of new mandate for employees. So on a national scale, it's obviously going to take longer. Few (to none) of us have any real insight into such a large endeavor as this. But as Americans, we like to scream about it as if we do. We both want the red tape involved in government so that everything is done properly and we want our leaders to just snap their fingers and declare done for the things we wish to be done.

 

[Cool Cats]

Ohio student, 10, confronts anti-maskers at board meeting: 'Please be quiet. It's inappropriate'
Fri, October 8, 2021, 11:46 AM

Kaylan Park, 10, returns to her seat next to her mother Kenyona "Sunny" Matthews, right, as she is applauded after speaking on supporting the school districts' mask mandate despite being repeatedly interrupted by opponents of the the mask requirement during a board of education meeting on Wednesday, Oct. 6.

"It is super weird to be here because adults don't think that their children should wear masks," Kaylan said when it was her turn to speak. "…A lot of you guys are adults. You guys should be able to know that masks save lives."

When some audience members voiced disagreement, Kaylan responded: "Can I please speak? Let me speak before you guys go off."

Her demand was met with applause. Some audience members stood up and applauded and others were seen patting Kaylan on the shoulder after she returned to her seat.

A man yells at a speaker supporting the mask mandate as he walks out of the Cuyahoga Falls Board of Education meeting on Wednesday, Oct. 6.

But some audience members continued talking, which prompted Kaylan to say emphatically: "Please be quiet…It's inappropriate that you guys can't stay quiet."

Kaylan, who was wearing a mask bearing the message "Masks Save Lives," noted that donning a face covering is an act of kindness toward others.

Opponents of the mask mandate repeatedly interrupted speakers in support of the mask mandate during a Cuyahoga Falls Board of Education meeting on Wednesday, Oct. 6.

"You're doing it for your safety," she said. "It's like kindness. My teacher tells me when you do something for other people, they can do it back. Wear a mask for them and they'll wear it back. Just wear a mask for kindness. You're showing kindness."

 

[mickey2942]

I think it's important to remember, when discussing government mandates, that our president is not a dictator. He can't just simply mandate everything he'd like to mandate immediately. There is a process. He's not going to announce a mandate that hasn't been through the rigorous process of vetting exactly how it will be implemented. If he did, and it wasn't implemented well, there would be hell to pay.

That's why the government is introducing mandates a little at a time. Healthcare workers - check. Government employees - check. Now I'm sure they are researching the legality and doability of implementing other mandates.

I do want to point out, though, that if the administration had started with mandating vaccinations for immigrants, there would have been people screaming about why we were "wasting" precious vaccines on folks who aren't citizens. They sure would have. Of course, by not doing it right away, the same people are screaming that it should have been done immediately.

But I know the game - damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

But we know it's coming at some point.

I know how long it takes, even in a small organization, to prepare any kind of new mandate for employees. So on a national scale, it's obviously going to take longer. Few (to none) of us have any real insight into such a large endeavor as this. But as Americans, we like to scream about it as if we do. We both want the red tape involved in government so that everything is done properly and we want our leaders to just snap their fingers and declare done for the things we wish to be done.

Legal immigrants DO have to be vaccinated for COVID-19.
COVID-19 Vaccination Required for Immigration Medical Examinations

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Legal immigrants DO have to be vaccinated for COVID-19.
COVID-19 Vaccination Required for Immigration Medical Examinations

Yes, well I'm talking about the others that folks are complaining about. I didn't specify because truthfully I don't care to refer to them as "illegal." And I assumed folks would understand that that I'm referring to those for whom there is not a current vaccination mandate - since I was referring to situations not covered by a mandate yet.

 

[mickey2942]

Even more interesting, is why people who are incarcerated are not mandated to get a Covid-19 vaccine, but the federal employees who work at the facilities are required to get Covid-19 vaccines.

Prisoners have more rights now, in the United States, than the employees of the facilities.

BOP: COVID-19 Update

COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate Could Exacerbate Understaffing in Federal Prisons, Union Warns

 

[jjenny]

Even more interesting, is why people who are incarcerated are not mandated to get a Covid-19 vaccine, but the federal employees who work at the facilities are required to get Covid-19 vaccines.

Prisoners have more rights now, in the United States, than the employees of the facilities.

BOP: COVID-19 Update

COVID-19 Vaccine Mandate Could Exacerbate Understaffing in Federal Prisons, Union Warns

Prisoners aren't in prisons because that's where they want to be.

 

[LadyL]

Covid: Anti-vax protesters intimidate teen outside jab centre

 

[musicaljoke]

New Canadian data suggests the bold strategy to delay and mix second doses of COVID-19 vaccines led to strong protection from infection, hospitalization and death — even against the highly contagious delta variant — that could provide lessons for the world.

Preliminary data from researchers at the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control (BCCDC) and the Quebec National Institute of Public Health (INSPQ) shows the decision to vaccinate more Canadians sooner by delaying second shots by up to four months saved lives.
...
"We were very pleased to see during the period when the delta variant was not just circulating, but predominating, that we had such high protection nonetheless against both infection and hospitalization," the lead researcher on the analysis told CBC News.

"Protection was even stronger when the interval between the first and the second doses was more than six weeks apart."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cana...s-mixing-matching-covid-19-vaccines-1.6205993

 

[musicaljoke]

In Quebec, thousands of kilometres away and with a different population, demographic makeup and early vaccine rollout approach — the results of a twin study that will be published alongside the B.C. data were astonishingly similar.

Of the 181 people who died from COVID-19 from May 30 to Sept. 11 in Quebec, just three were fully vaccinated. Researchers say that corresponds to a vaccine effectiveness against death upwards of 97 per cent based on a population analysis of nearly 1.3 million people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cana...s-mixing-matching-covid-19-vaccines-1.6205993

 

[LadyL]

Maryland man accused of killing his pharmacist brother wanted to confront him for administering the Covid-19 vaccine, court documents say - CNN

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Moderna keeps COVID vaccine out of reach of poor nations

Moderna, whose coronavirus vaccine appears to be the world’s best defense against COVID-19, has been supplying its shots almost exclusively to wealthy nations, keeping poorer countries waiting and earning billions in profit.

Moderna, whose coronavirus vaccine appears to be the world’s best defense against COVID-19, has been supplying its shots almost exclusively to wealthy nations, keeping poorer countries waiting and earning billions in profit.

 

[anneg]

Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug

Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug

Excerpt:

Campaigners for the drug point to a number of scientific studies and often claim this evidence is being ignored or covered up. But a review by a group of independent scientists has cast serious doubt on that body of research.

The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study".
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[LadyL]

U.S. woman refused kidney transplant until she gets COVID-19 vaccine - National | Globalnews.ca

 

[Skigh]

Could Long Covid be a little-known nervous system problem? | Daily Mail Online


Long Covid: Could the debilitating illness be a little-known nervous system problem which can be cured by Hula Hoops and salted peanuts?

• Long Covid symptoms are similar to postural tachycardia syndrome or PoTS
• Some doctors believe Covid infection is now triggering the little known illness
• Before Covid-19, some 130,000 - mostly women - were suffering from PoTS

 

[TootsieFootsie]

After 10 weeks of lockdown and restrictions in my state, the double vaccinated people get more freedom starting tomorrow.

No more having to wear a mask outside, yay!

Clubs etc opening again, but not if you're not vaccinated. Freedom to browse in stores, with masks on, while the unvaccinated can't go into places and can only Click and Collect.

I think we might be opening up a bit too soon though. I guess we'll see.
An article I read said that the rest of Australia will be watching to see how we go

I'm still going to take all precautions and might still wear the mask outside if there are too many people around.

 

[weepingangel]

Family of mental health center employee who died sues state for records on COVID outbreak
More at link (cape cod/ma)
Brian Dailey had been working at Pocasset Mental Health Center, run by the DMH for about four years, when a December outbreak of COVID-19 infected at least nine staff members and nine patients, according to a statement in court filed by Christine Dailey’s attorney, John J. Morrissey of Braintree.

“It is believed that he contracted Covid at the Pocasset MHC based on the large number of staff members and patients that were infected with Covid and the failure of at least one staff member to follow Covid safety protocols during the outbreak,” the complaint says.

It says that a staff member working for Dailey in maintenance and housekeeping entered the facility without going through the required COVID-19 screening and was observed working while symptomatic and, at times, without a face mask during the period of Dec. 15-17.

The staff member received a positive diagnosis of COVID-19 after being tested Dec. 16.

Dailey was tested at work on Dec. 27 as a result of contact tracing by the facility, the lawsuit says.

“He tested positive and was ordered to quarantine at home. He complied with the quarantine and was found dead at his home on December 31, 2020,” according to the complaint filed in court.

“An autopsy determined the cause of death was complications related to Covid.”

The DMH’s self-insurer has denied Christine Dailey’s claim for worker's compensation dependency benefits for her children, according to court documents.

The lawsuit also says that the DMH refused to produce documents sought by the plaintiff even after being subpoenaed and ordered to do so by the senior judge of the Department of Industrial Accidents.

 

[Niner]

In the U.S. if you eat at a restaurant (whether inside or out) - do you have to show your "vaccine certificate" that says you are fully vaccinated?
Here in Latvia we have to show it before they let you in. Just wondering if U.S. is doing the same.
TIA!