Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #101

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  • #461
This may be behind a paywall, but it answers the question @KALI asked about her restaurant employees being eligible for a booster because of high risk of infection. At the moment it doesn’t look like they are eligible.

Answers to Your Questions About Covid Booster Shots

What professions are eligible for boosters?

The F.D.A. authorized booster doses for workers whose jobs put them at high risk of exposure to potentially infectious people. So far, that includes health care workers, teachers and day care staff, grocery workers, transit and postal workers and people who work in homeless shelters or prisons
 
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmo...der-90-per-cent-military-vaccinated-1.6214659.

He [Brig.-Gen. Bill Fletcher] said more than 90 per cent of Canadian military personnel are already double vaccinated and he's not worried about any pushback from what he calls a small percentage.

"We'd already been dealing with the implication for deployments ... of non-vaccinated folks going into a COVID-hot environment or going into an international setting where the host country has said, 'you will be double vaccinated,"' he said.

Members of the military, he added, have helped with both pandemic assistance and vaccine distribution across the country.
 
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Ah, that's very sad about General Powell.
 
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Nurse explains why she won't get COVID-19 vaccine

This nurse works (or worked) at my local hospital. For all I know, she may have cared for me in ER when I arrived there in an ambulance with Covid. A close friend of mine also works there as a vaccinated nurse. I will be interested to hear more from her about this.



This is the opinion of the nurse in the linked article who is quitting her job rather than get vaccinated. As we’ve discussed in the past, a controlled pre-existing condition such as high blood pressure or diabetes would not likely have been fatal for someone at this particular time if it weren’t for Covid. Survivable underlying conditions are not the cause of death when someone is infected with Covid. Covid tips the balance. So yes, the death is caused by Covid and should be counted as such.

I read it, but I still can't really understand how her mind came to the conclusion it did. But, I'm trying. She is saying the same thing some of my (not close) relatives are saying, even after their patriarch died of COVID a month ago. The younger people want to be vaccinated, but can't say so and would risk being kicked out of the nest if they went ahead and did get vaccinated.
 
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I read it, but I still can't really understand how her mind came to the conclusion it did. But, I'm trying. She is saying the same thing some of my (not close) relatives are saying, even after their patriarch died of COVID a month ago. The younger people want to be vaccinated, but can't say so and would risk being kicked out of the nest if they went ahead and did get vaccinated.

I see the same thing from many people who make her argument(s). On the one hand she frames it in theoretical terms about "freedom" and the danger of "mandates," but on the other she makes a purely medical/technical argument about her perceived risks from virus versus vaccine. I'd prefer that people would stick to one argument. When I see the theoretical part, I tend to think that the medical argument is added as an afterthought - a way to say "but I'm not crazy."
 
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I read it, but I still can't really understand how her mind came to the conclusion it did. But, I'm trying. She is saying the same thing some of my (not close) relatives are saying, even after their patriarch died of COVID a month ago. The younger people want to be vaccinated, but can't say so and would risk being kicked out of the nest if they went ahead and did get vaccinated.
All her family is on her health insurance from her job. Because she is refusing to get vaccinated for covid (she admits she got other vaccines), looks like they will lose their health insurance. By the way there is nothing new about nurses be required to be vaccinated. Why is she "taking a stand" on covid vaccine but not other vaccines? And how healthy is it going to be to lose health insurance?
So, good luck with that.
 
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All her family is on her health insurance from her job. Because she is refusing to get vaccinated for covid (she admits she got other vaccines), looks like they will lose their health insurance. By the way there is nothing new about nurses be required to be vaccinated. Why is she "taking a stand" on covid vaccine but not other vaccines? And how healthy is it going to be to lose health insurance?
So, good luck with that.

I just don't get it. We require kindergartners to be vaccinated against a bunch of things. As a teacher, I have to be vaccinated against a bunch of things.

Healthcare workers are in a position of trust, they need to be vaccinated. Could it even be possible that this woman isn't vaccinated against polio? I do worry if small pox ever comes out of the permafrost - what a nightmare that would be (we older people are vaccinated, younger people are not - it would be like COVID only worse, and in reverse).

Plus, smallpox is in several labs in several nations, on ice in case we need to develop new vaccines or research it.
 
  • #469
If you can access the New York Times, here is an interesting and lengthy opinion piece by UNC Prof. Zeynep Tufekci about unvaccinated people:
Opinion | The Unvaccinated May Not Be Who You Think

Excerpts (BBM):

There has been strikingly little research on the sociology of the pandemic....

The research and data we do have show that significant portions of the unvaccinated public were confused and concerned, rather than absolutely opposed to vaccines.

Some key research on the unvaccinated comes from the Covid States Project, an academic consortium that managed to scrape together resources for regular polling. It categorizes them as“vaccine-willing” and “vaccine-resistant,” and finds the groups almost equal in numbers among the remaining unvaccinated. (David Lazer, one of the principal investigators of the Covid States Project, told me that the research was done before the mandates, and that the consortium has limited funding, so they can poll only so often.)

Furthermore, its research finds that the unvaccinated, overall, don’t have much trust in institutions and authorities, and even those they trust, they trust less: 71 percent of the vaccinated trust hospitals and doctors “a lot,” for example, while only 39 percent of the unvaccinated do.

[...]
Relentless propaganda against public health measures no doubt contributes to erosion of trust. However, that mistrust may also be fueled by the sorry state of health insurance in this country and the deep inequities in health care — at a minimum, this could make people more vulnerable to misinformation. Research on the unvaccinated by KFF from this September showed the most powerful predictor of who remained unvaccinated was not age, politics, race, income or location, but the lack of health insurance.

The Covid States team shared with me more than a thousand comments from unvaccinated people who were surveyed. Scrolling through them, I noticed a lot more fear than certainty...most of it was a version of: I’m not sure it’s safe. [...]

Their surveys also show that only about 12 percent of the unvaccinated said they did not think they’d benefit from a vaccine: so, only about 4 percent of the national population. [...]

The testimony we’ve seen from unvaccinated people in their last days with Covid, sometimes voiced directly by them from their hospital beds, gets at some of the core truths of vaccine hesitancy. They are pictures of confusion, not conviction. [...]

As of 2015, one quarter of the population in the United States had no primary health care provider to turn to for trusted advice.

[...]
Finally, consider something hidden amid all the other dysfunction that plagues us: fear of needles.

Don’t roll your eyes. Prepandemic research suggests that fear of needles may affect up to 25 percent of adults and may lead up to 16 percent of adults to skip or delay vaccinations....

More at link, of course! Worth reading if you can access it.
 
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Man charged with assault after prosecutors say he grabbed another parent at a Minnesota school board meeting about masking
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Parent Jonas Sjoberg speaks while parent Thomas Kahlbaugh listens before the physical confrontation between the two men.

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Thomas Kahlbaugh grabs Jona Sjoberg by the shirt at a heated Eastern Carver County, Minnesota school board meeting on September 27, 2021.

Prosecutors alleged that Thomas Wayne Kahlbaugh, 47, was unhappy with Jonas Sjoberg, a parent who spoke in favor of the Eastern Carver County School District's new mask mandate, according to KARE 11. Witnesses told KARE 11 that Kahlbough took Sjoberg's phone and dragged him across the room before two other men intervened.

Livestreamed video of the heated September 27 school board meeting showed a man grabbing Sjoberg by the collar and pulling his phone from his hand. While it's unclear from the video what caused the altercation, KARE 11 reported that prosecutors alleged

Sjoberg tried to take a picture of Kalbough with his phone, and had been planning to notify the school board that Kalbough was trying to threaten him.

Kalbaugh was chared with assault and disorderly conduct related to the incident, according to KARE 11. Both charges carry penalties of up to 90 days in jail and/or a $1,000 fine, WCCO reported.

Sjoberg had told WCCO last month that his daughter goes to a private school, but he went to the meeting to tell the board that he didn't think a large group of people speaking in opposition to the district's mask mandate were representative of the community.

Sjoberg also told police that his shirt was ripped and he may have been scratched during the altercation, according to KARE.

The school district said in a September 28 statement that it plans to increase security presence at its board meetings in the future over safety concerns.
 
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Dad with COVID — Whose Family Tried 169 Hospitals Before Finding Treatment — Is Recovering at Home

"He cried and just told me how regretful he was of not getting the shot, and he begged me to go get vaccinated," Robby Walker's wife Susan said of her husband's plea before going on a ventilator

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Robby Walker

Earlier this year, Robby Walker contracted COVID on a family trip, and developed pneumonia in both lungs. He was not vaccinated. His wife Susan Walker told CNN that he was in "dire need" of ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenation) treatment but "all the [hospital] beds were taken up by COVID victims also getting" treated.

After Susan made public her husband's situation, Connecticut doctor Robert Gallagher offered to provide him the care he needed. Robby, 52, had to take a special medical flight to Connecticut and was intubated during the trip.

According to CNN, Robby used to work out at the gym and would run five miles each day. Now, as he recovers from his serious COVID case, he has scarred lungs and reduced breathing capacity. The outlet said that he lost over 50 lbs. while hospitalized and is only able to speak "in short, choppy sentences" before needing to take a breath.

"My lungs have gotten a little bit better, [but] my heart rate still races a little bit," Robby told CNN last week.

"I can walk by myself — somebody's there just kind of making sure I'm staying straight. But I use a roller/walker, and I'm able to walk a decent distance," he added. "I mean, I'm not going to the mall or going shopping. But I'm able to walk some now. So it's been a big improvement."

Robby was discharged from the hospital in mid-September and then started a month of inpatient rehabilitation. After being discharged from the rehab center last week, Robby's two brothers rented an RV and drove to Connecticut to bring him and his wife back home to Florida, CNN said.
 
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I just don't get it. We require kindergartners to be vaccinated against a bunch of things. As a teacher, I have to be vaccinated against a bunch of things.

Healthcare workers are in a position of trust, they need to be vaccinated. Could it even be possible that this woman isn't vaccinated against polio? I do worry if small pox ever comes out of the permafrost - what a nightmare that would be (we older people are vaccinated, younger people are not - it would be like COVID only worse, and in reverse).

Plus, smallpox is in several labs in several nations, on ice in case we need to develop new vaccines or research it.


That is the whole thing: Health care workers are in a position of trust and they need to be vaccinated-- for health care workers who interact with patients not to accept this is beyond my understanding. It really is a sacred trust: patients put themselves in the hands of healthcare workers, nurses, doctors, and others-- patients are vulnerable and they should have an expectation that they are not coming in contact with health care workers who could expose them to Covid or other infectious diseases, which could be fatal. The concept of a patient being able to trust a nurse should be enough for a nurse to overcome his/her vaccine hesitancy. For those nurses that simply aren't able to do that, the profession and patients are certainly better off without them.
 
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Our local pharmacy is taking names of individuals who will qualify for the 3rd Moderna vaccine. I'm disappointed that the 3rd Moderna dose will be a half dose.
 
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No religious exemptions from COVID-19 vaccines: MC Canada.

Mennonite Church Canada’s executive ministers released a statement earlier this week ..

"We wish to clarify that there is nothing in the Bible, in our historic confessions of faith, in our theology or in our ecclesiology that justifies granting a religious exemption from vaccinations against COVID-19.

“We have heard concerns from some members of our constituency regarding the vaccines. However, we do not believe these concerns justify an exemption from COVID-19 vaccinations on religious grounds from within a Mennonite faith tradition.

“From the earliest biblical writings, in the words of Jesus Christ and in ecclesial writings since Jesus’ ascension, the command to love God and love our neighbour is paramount. Vaccinations allow us to live out this command."

Do you live in Manitoba too? I'm glad I live here and not in Sask or Alberta. We're doing really well with our high vax rate.
 
  • #476
Our local pharmacy is taking names of individuals who will qualify for the 3rd Moderna vaccine. I'm disappointed that the 3rd Moderna dose will be a half dose.

Moderna urges FDA to authorize a half-size booster dose of its Covid-19 vaccine for some adults

The company is asking for authorization for a 50-microgram booster dose -- half the size of the 100-microgram doses used in the primary series of the two-dose vaccine. The company says halving the dose increases protection against the coronavirus while helping the worldwide Covid-19 vaccine supply.
 
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I see the same thing from many people who make her argument(s). On the one hand she frames it in theoretical terms about "freedom" and the danger of "mandates," but on the other she makes a purely medical/technical argument about her perceived risks from virus versus vaccine. I'd prefer that people would stick to one argument. When I see the theoretical part, I tend to think that the medical argument is added as an afterthought - a way to say "but I'm not crazy."

Her arguments are typical of vax-resisters in my rural county, where she was working at my local hospital. There’s a vocal “no one is going to tell me what to do” segment of the population here. Some use the “slippery slope” argument about freedom; some use various medical arguments, and others say it violates their conscience regarding cell lines from aborted fetuses (used in research and development of many OTC meds as well). Many use all of the above arguments…sort of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. As a result, only about 52% of the eligible population is vaccinated here.

That is the whole thing: Health care workers are in a position of trust and they need to be vaccinated-- for health care workers who interact with patients not to accept this is beyond my understanding. It really is a sacred trust: patients put themselves in the hands of healthcare workers, nurses, doctors, and others-- patients are vulnerable and they should have an expectation that they are not coming in contact with health care workers who could expose them to Covid or other infectious diseases, which could be fatal. The concept of a patient being able to trust a nurse should be enough for a nurse to overcome his/her vaccine hesitancy. For those nurses that simply aren't able to do that, the profession and patients are certainly better off without them.

I agree that the healthcare profession is better off without these unvaccinated employees. On the other hand, my nurse friend at this particular local hospital had to work an extra shift today. So, as I’ve said many times…those choosing not to be vaccinated are holding the rest of us hostage in a sense. They cause my husband and me to stay home; they cause vaccinated employees to work harder, and the shortage of hospital staffing means that surgeries are postponed. And they clearly don't care and will play the victim of the government. I can’t wrap my mind around any of this!
 
  • #478
Do you live in Manitoba too? I'm glad I live here and not in Sask or Alberta. We're doing really well with our high vax rate.

I'm in Ontario. Yes, you are doing really well with your high vaccination rate in Manitoba. Ontario has nearly 84% of the adults fully vaccinated, which isn't stellar. Clinics are ongoing so I hope we can get those numbers looking more like yours.
 
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Even though vaccines were available all during this period, half the people in Florida haven't been vaccinated even today. Some states are showing rates in the 40% range. So many deaths were preventable. It's just heartbreaking.

From the link:
The same month that Florida officials changed the data policy, the highly-transmissible delta variant emerged and infections took off again. Florida went from averaging about 1,000 infections a day at the start of June to more than 21,000 a day by August. Florida averaged a peak of 372 deaths a day on Sept. 1.
 
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