Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #101

[TootsieFootsie]

Yay we made it!

I'm still feeling very uncertain about getting back to our old life.
Have been invited out to lunch on Monday. Yes the proper sit down and eat (inside).
Not sure I want to take the chance yet. And anyway I'm not a Monday person

I'd probably feel better about it if I didn't pick up a nasty flu bug there last time I went. And yes I did get checked out, not Covid, but something that made me feel unwell for five weeks. Yes there were people coughing and this was before the mask thing came in here. I wish people would just stay home if they're coughing.

Well, NSW did it. They reached 70% fully vaccinated rate in record time. Their reward is going to be an easing of their lockdown on Monday ... some restrictions will still apply.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

UCHealth denies kidney transplant to unvaccinated woman in stage 5 renal failure

 

[anneg]

UCHealth denies kidney transplant to unvaccinated woman in stage 5 renal failure

From the article:
UCHealth said it implemented the vaccine policy for the safety and health of its patients.

"For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. This shows the extreme risk that COVID-19 poses to transplant recipients after their surgeries," the health system told CBS4. The health system also noted that patients have been required to receive other vaccines, such as for hepatitis B, to help ensure a transplant won’t be rejected.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

From the article:
UCHealth said it implemented the vaccine policy for the safety and health of its patients.

"For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. This shows the extreme risk that COVID-19 poses to transplant recipients after their surgeries," the health system told CBS4. The health system also noted that patients have been required to receive other vaccines, such as for hepatitis B, to help ensure a transplant won’t be rejected.

Thanks for pointing out the pure evil they are using for their justifications.

 

[jjenny]

If a patient is not following doctor's advice (which in this case is getting vaccinated), giving them a kidney would be a total waste. Transplant recipients have to take medications regularly, and so on. Non-compliant patients won't do well. Also, immunosupressant drugs mess up their immune system, which means they are in much higher risk of infections after getting transplants.
Which is clearly why they should be vaccinated.

 

[musicaljoke]

From the article:
UCHealth said it implemented the vaccine policy for the safety and health of its patients.

"For transplant patients who contract COVID-19, the mortality rate ranges from about 20% to more than 30%. This shows the extreme risk that COVID-19 poses to transplant recipients after their surgeries," the health system told CBS4. The health system also noted that patients have been required to receive other vaccines, such as for hepatitis B, to help ensure a transplant won’t be rejected.

This would be no surprise to a transplant recipient. There are many health care protocols that have to be in place before they are considered good candidates to receive a donated organ. Prior to my niece's kidney transplant, her mother, who she lived with, had to quit smoking.

 

[sds71]

Maryland killing spree suspect told people his brother was ‘killing people with COVID vaccines’: police

According to arrest documents, Burnham’s mother told investigators that he wanted to confront his brother – a pharmacist – because he purportedly helped administer vaccines.

 

[ilovewings]

Colorado hospitals deny organ transplants to unvaccinated

Makes perfect sense

 

[ilovewings]

Maryland killing spree suspect told people his brother was ‘killing people with COVID vaccines’: police

According to arrest documents, Burnham’s mother told investigators that he wanted to confront his brother – a pharmacist – because he purportedly helped administer vaccines.

OMG- how horrible

 

[beatrixpotter]

I hear what you are saying about "what they believe"-- but there is such a thing as learning new things, like you know, that vaccines really save lives, including those of children. When minds are closed, bad things happen. As far as masks, yes, the initial message was awful- Dr. Fauci and the surgeon general both said masks are ineffective, but, that was very very early on in the pandemic, before anybody realized that asymptomatic people with the virus were contagious and then they revised their statement about masks. Admittedly though messaging has not been good by the CDC during this pandemic--- confusing at best.

While I agree with you it's this kind of treatment of the public that completely undermined any further ability for many of the public to trust them. I still do not trust the CDC after they dropped the ball this summer on masks. Forget it. I'm done. I think it's more politics and manipulation of the public.

I do get my information from reading actual news articles apart from American news and the CDC and reading up on all the studies out there. But sadly for others once they stopped trusting the CDC it just proved to them they could rely on Dr Mercola or Natural Health News and other junk.

It's really frustrating. I just do not believe there has been any clear concise messaging to try and educate the public. They don't try and educate the public or explain the science. It's just wishy washy recommendations that look bad precisely because people don't know the science behind anything.

They mock the whole 6 foot distancing thing for instance in large part because it IS stupid. There is no science to recommend that. But instead of grasping that covid is airborne and 6 ft is meaningless without masks and air filtration and ventilation they just mock any attempt to avoid exposure.

It doesn't make sense to me. But if you prove you can't be trusted about one thing a wary public of conspiracy theorists is not going to believe anything else. The American people have been paranoid about the government for decades while listening to people like Alex Jones and Joseph Mercola.

They all think it's the end of the freaking world. But of course for whatever reason they all think they can survive a deliberate leak of a virus out of China and the rest of us who are vaccinated will be dead within a couple of years.

I was just talking to my husband this morning about the massive energy crisis in China right now and people I see online saying it's ALL planned down to the cargo container crisis. Sure, China planned to destroy their economy by deliberately leaking a virus and thwarting their ability to have enough energy to power their own utilities and produce goods to sell to the rest of us. Sounds like a well thought out plan.

It still feels like we are living in a dystopian novel to me though. It's a complete cluster**** of a disaster that is just never ending.

 

[mickey2942]

@beatrixpotter exactly. No one has explained the "science" to me why a three square foot sheet of plexiglass, in front of me, is going to save me from an airborne illness. Airborne, as in, it can go over, and around the plexiglass. I am not in a box!

Just saying, somethings don't make a lot of sense. And, I went on a plane the other day, that was packed solid. No plexiglass there! Sure, everyone had a mask on. One guy, had a mask so thin, it was like gossamer. Another person, had just a plastic face shield. Whatever.

 

[ilovewings]

While I agree with you it's this kind of treatment of the public that completely undermined any further ability for many of the public to trust them. I still do not trust the CDC after they dropped the ball this summer on masks. Forget it. I'm done. I think it's more politics and manipulation of the public.

I do get my information from reading actual news articles apart from American news and the CDC and reading up on all the studies out there. But sadly for others once they stopped trusting the CDC it just proved to them they could rely on Dr Mercola or Natural Health News and other junk.

It's really frustrating. I just do not believe there has been any clear concise messaging to try and educate the public. They don't try and educate the public or explain the science. It's just wishy washy recommendations that look bad precisely because people don't know the science behind anything.

They mock the whole 6 foot distancing thing for instance in large part because it IS stupid. There is no science to recommend that. But instead of grasping that covid is airborne and 6 ft is meaningless without masks and air filtration and ventilation they just mock any attempt to avoid exposure.

It doesn't make sense to me. But if you prove you can't be trusted about one thing a wary public of conspiracy theorists is not going to believe anything else. The American people have been paranoid about the government for decades while listening to people like Alex Jones and Joseph Mercola.

They all think it's the end of the freaking world. But of course for whatever reason they all think they can survive a deliberate leak of a virus out of China and the rest of us who are vaccinated will be dead within a couple of years.

I was just talking to my husband this morning about the massive energy crisis in China right now and people I see online saying it's ALL planned down to the cargo container crisis. Sure, China planned to destroy their economy by deliberately leaking a virus and thwarting their ability to have enough energy to power their own utilities and produce goods to sell to the rest of us. Sounds like a well thought out plan.

It still feels like we are living in a dystopian novel to me though. It's a complete cluster**** of a disaster that is just never ending.

I love your inte!ligent and well thought out post---
You are right about the CDC- they have no credibility and
for good reason-- the mask recommendation this past summer
was a debacle

 

[jjenny]

@beatrixpotter exactly. No one has explained the "science" to me why a three square foot sheet of plexiglass, in front of me, is going to save me from an airborne illness. Airborne, as in, it can go over, and around the plexiglass. I am not in a box!

Just saying, somethings don't make a lot of sense. And, I went on a plane the other day, that was packed solid. No plexiglass there! Sure, everyone had a mask on. One guy, had a mask so thin, it was like gossamer. Another person, had just a plastic face shield. Whatever.

Plexiglass and 6 ft distance will protect against large droplets. It's not going to protect a 100% obviously, but it's going to decrease the risk of transmission, at least somewhat.

 

[mickey2942]

Plexiglass and 6 ft distance will protect against large droplets. It's not going to protect a 100% obviously, but it's going to decrease the risk of transmission, at least somewhat.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This link describes that Plexiglass does not protect from Covid-19. And there is zero scientific data regarding Plexiglass and Covid-19.

"There was just one hitch. Not a single study has shown that the clear plastic barriers actually control the virus, said Joseph Allen of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health."

 

[ilovewings]

Plexiglass and 6 ft distance will protect against large droplets. It's not going to protect a 100% obviously, but it's going to decrease the risk of transmission, at least somewhat.

Especially if the people on either side of the glass are masked. It is just another mitigation tool

 

[mickey2942]

Especially if the people on either side of the glass are masked. It is just another mitigation tool

Do plastic barriers actually stop COVID-19 spread? Often, no. | khou.com

 

[Cool Cats]

Especially if the people on either side of the glass are masked. It is just another mitigation tool

Well that plexiglass does keep people from coughing and sneezing on the food at the self serve salad bar. Germs don't add anything a person would want in their food.

Also kinda nice when Plexiglas stops direct coughing and sneezing in John Doe's face.

 

[ilovewings]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...it-will-take-end-covid-19-pandemic-leana-wen/

Three Things It Will take to end the Covid Pandemic (though the article makes it clear the pandemic will be with us into the foreseeable future as endemic): The goal really is to minimize the lethality of the virus and obviously reduce the cases.

 

[ilovewings]

Well that plexiglass does keep people from coughing and sneezing on the food at the self serve salad bar. Germs don't add anything a person would want in their food.

Also kinda nice when Plexiglas stops direct coughing and sneezing in John Doe's face.

I have no problem with plexiglass- I don't see the downside
I see Plexiglass as a barrier: I see masks as a barrier--- If I am wearing a mask and I cough or sneeze the droplets aren't going to spray 25 feet- how is that a negative thing?

 

[Cool Cats]

I have no problem with plexiglass- I don't see the downside
I see Plexiglass as a barrier: I see masks as a barrier--- If I am wearing a mask and I cough or sneeze the droplets aren't going to spray 25 feet- how is that a negative thing?

Agree. Plexiglas/Masks/Barriers are not a negative thing and the concept not just a Covid thing. Been around a long time.

What Are Sneeze Guards and How Do They Work?

Sneeze guards are used for all of the following:

• Restaurants and bakeries
• Cash registers
• Reception desks
• Pharmacies & doctor’s offices
• Public transportation
• Gas stations
• Schools
• Gyms & fitness studios