Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #101

[MimosaMornings]

I agree, many people out and about are not wearing masks. I find it interesting (and also frustrating) that since I have been fully vaccinated, my mask seems more uncomfortable and where I was not constantly aware of my mask prevaccination, I am now. (How do you say psychosomatic without saying "psychosomatic"?) So, I do understand just wanting to move past this pandemic but this isn't the way.

Now, I have to brag. Our little grandpink, is now 3 and completely aware people need to give him space and that his mask is to keep him safe. If someone comes too close, that child skedaddles to safety and will often let people know they need to keep their distance just to make sure they get it. I just love our little guy!!!!!!

I wear a mask for work and when I am going to be in proximity of other people. I found some KN95’s that are comfortable that I can wear for hours. Wearing a mask is no biggie for me, it gives me the freedom to do things and the happiness to return to work safely.
JMO

 

[Turkeytrot]

New virus in China ‘will have infected hundreds'



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Important to remember

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Thanks for posting this, Turkeytrot.

I just spent some time looking for it but wasn't sure where I'd seen it.

Yes, very important

Important to remember

 

[jjenny]

Remember this guy? Brought to CT from FL for ECMO treatment
A Florida dad who got Covid-19 care 1,200 miles away is going home months later. Here's what he wants you to know

I sure do. Glad to hear ECMO actually worked for him, because that certainly wasn't guaranteed.

 

[weepingangel]

Florida data
For 105 days, COVID’s death toll in Florida counties went missing

 

[Cool Cats]

Nurse explains why she won't get COVID-19 vaccine

Oct. 17—On Monday, nurse Michele Brown won't be working in the emergency department of Asante Ashland Community Hospital.

Instead, she'll be on administrative leave for refusing to follow a state mandate that all Oregon health care and K-12 school workers and volunteers be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 by Oct. 18 or seek a medical or religious exception.

Brown said Asante granted her a religious exception, but the accommodation it gave her was to place her on administrative leave.

"I love what I do. I don't love it enough to sacrifice my medical freedom," said Brown, who has decades of experience as a nurse.

Brown said she's not an anti-vaxxer. She's been vaccinated against other infectious illnesses, including the flu. She also doesn't deny that COVID-19 is real. She's seen the suffering of hospital patients with COVID-19.

Brown said people with underlying health problems should get vaccinated against COVID-19. But she said her healthy lifestyle and years of exposure to germs and viruses at the hospital have given her a strong immune system.

To her knowledge, Brown said she hasn't had COVID-19 herself.

She believes she's at such low risk of serious consequences from COVID-19 that, for her, it's not worth facing potential risks from vaccination.

Brown said she's not willing to get injected with COVID-19 vaccines because they use technology that is new for vaccinations.

Brown pointed to the example of a botched dengue fever vaccination program in the Philippines as an example of the risk of new vaccines.

Brown said she thinks it's too early to tell if COVID-19 vaccines will cause long-term harm.

"Three years from now, I hope I'm totally wrong and there are no untoward effects. I'm not willing to take those risks," she said.

She fears a COVID-19 vaccination could change how her body responds to viruses in the future in unpredictable ways.

Some have said people should accept personal responsibility for not getting vaccinated by staying home and not going to the hospital if they get severely ill. Others have said hospitals should prioritize patients who need surgery for cancer and other serious illnesses and turn away unvaccinated COVID-19 patients if there aren't enough hospital beds and staff to care for everyone.

Brown said hospitals provide care all the time to people who smoke, abuse drugs and alcohol, don't eat healthy food, don't exercise and make other harmful lifestyle decisions.

 

[KALI]

Very compelling story. Thanks for sharing.

Remember this guy? Brought to CT from FL for ECMO treatment
A Florida dad who got Covid-19 care 1,200 miles away is going home months later. Here's what he wants you to know

 

[Cool Cats]

There’s Now CDC Data on How Much More Likely Unvaxxed Adults Are to Die of Covid

Getting vaccinated can significantly reduce your chances of dying from Covid-19. Like, really significantly.

Throughout the month of August, unvaccinated adults were 11 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than fully vaccinated adults, according to new data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC also found that unvaccinated adults faced a six times as likely to contract the virus than fully vaccinated adults.

The data marks the first time the CDC has released information about how Covid-19 risks can differ depending on vaccination status.

 

[weepingangel]

That’s great. Unless they change their minds/redact that tomorrow

No link but I saw a comment made recently elsewhere “check the recent cdc data that says only 6% of the covid deaths were realllly from covid” huh??
I just unfriended a fb friend Over this kind of wack. Kind of unexpected tbh.

There’s Now CDC Data on How Much More Likely Unvaxxed Adults Are to Die of Covid

Getting vaccinated can significantly reduce your chances of dying from Covid-19. Like, really significantly.

Throughout the month of August, unvaccinated adults were 11 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than fully vaccinated adults, according to new data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The CDC also found that unvaccinated adults faced a six times as likely to contract the virus than fully vaccinated adults.

The data marks the first time the CDC has released information about how Covid-19 risks can differ depending on vaccination status.

 

[weepingangel]

New Zealand
https://twitter.com/dairynz/status/1448785696701837312?s=21

 

[Cool Cats]

That’s great. Unless they change their minds/redact that tomorrow

No link but I saw a comment made recently elsewhere “check the recent cdc data that says only 6% of the covid deaths were realllly from covid” huh??
I just unfriended a fb friend Over this kind of wack. Kind of unexpected tbh.

From my above article:

Brown said people need to understand there is a small risk of death from the virus. She believes the death statistics are inaccurate and too high because people with severe health problems get counted as COVID-19 deaths if they test positive for the virus.

What this nurse might be saying is that people die from their pre-existing conditions rather than from Covid, but it's counted as Covid.

 

[weepingangel]

Mass. hospitals see most caregivers comply with COVID vaccine mandates as threats of job loss loom
more w specific numbers at link

At some of the state’s largest hospital systems, upwards of 90% of employees have already been vaccinated against the coronavirus. At one Western Massachusetts system, 99% of workers were immunized against COVID when the deadline hit.

(Some local protesting by the 1-10% occurring).

 

[MimosaMornings]

It’s Time to Get Personal, and Nasty, With Vaccine Resisters — The Daily Beast

“There’s a good chance that COVID could render you infertile. COVID could make it difficult to achieve sexual arousal. Life-saving COVID treatment could lead to your body rotting while you’re still alive. COVID can break your brain. COVID can make it impossible to climb a flight of stairs without getting winded. COVID can disable you. COVID can strap your family with tens of thousands of dollars in debt. This is the ugly truth within the 98% survival rate; this is what happens to survivors. Are you willing to risk all of these outcomes?”

 

[ilovewings]

It’s Time to Get Personal, and Nasty, With Vaccine Resisters — The Daily Beast

“There’s a good chance that COVID could render you infertile. COVID could make it difficult to achieve sexual arousal. Life-saving COVID treatment could lead to your body rotting while you’re still alive. COVID can break your brain. COVID can make it impossible to climb a flight of stairs without getting winded. COVID can disable you. COVID can strap your family with tens of thousands of dollars in debt. This is the ugly truth within the 98% survival rate; this is what happens to survivors. Are you willing to risk all of these outcomes?”

couldn't agree more- it is time to take the gloves off and get down and dirty about what happens when people don't get vaccinated.

 

[Lilibet]

Nurse explains why she won't get COVID-19 vaccine

Oct. 17—On Monday, nurse Michele Brown won't be working in the emergency department of Asante Ashland Community Hospital.

Instead, she'll be on administrative leave for refusing to follow a state mandate that all Oregon health care and K-12 school workers and volunteers be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 by Oct. 18 or seek a medical or religious exception.

Brown said Asante granted her a religious exception, but the accommodation it gave her was to place her on administrative leave.

"I love what I do. I don't love it enough to sacrifice my medical freedom," said Brown, who has decades of experience as a nurse.

Brown said she's not an anti-vaxxer. She's been vaccinated against other infectious illnesses, including the flu. She also doesn't deny that COVID-19 is real. She's seen the suffering of hospital patients with COVID-19.

Brown said people with underlying health problems should get vaccinated against COVID-19. But she said her healthy lifestyle and years of exposure to germs and viruses at the hospital have given her a strong immune system.

To her knowledge, Brown said she hasn't had COVID-19 herself.

She believes she's at such low risk of serious consequences from COVID-19 that, for her, it's not worth facing potential risks from vaccination.

Brown said she's not willing to get injected with COVID-19 vaccines because they use technology that is new for vaccinations.

Brown pointed to the example of a botched dengue fever vaccination program in the Philippines as an example of the risk of new vaccines.

Brown said she thinks it's too early to tell if COVID-19 vaccines will cause long-term harm.

"Three years from now, I hope I'm totally wrong and there are no untoward effects. I'm not willing to take those risks," she said.

She fears a COVID-19 vaccination could change how her body responds to viruses in the future in unpredictable ways.

Some have said people should accept personal responsibility for not getting vaccinated by staying home and not going to the hospital if they get severely ill. Others have said hospitals should prioritize patients who need surgery for cancer and other serious illnesses and turn away unvaccinated COVID-19 patients if there aren't enough hospital beds and staff to care for everyone.

Brown said hospitals provide care all the time to people who smoke, abuse drugs and alcohol, don't eat healthy food, don't exercise and make other harmful lifestyle decisions.

Nurse explains why she won't get COVID-19 vaccine

This nurse works (or worked) at my local hospital. For all I know, she may have cared for me in ER when I arrived there in an ambulance with Covid. A close friend of mine also works there as a vaccinated nurse. I will be interested to hear more from her about this.

From my above article:

Brown said people need to understand there is a small risk of death from the virus. She believes the death statistics are inaccurate and too high because people with severe health problems get counted as COVID-19 deaths if they test positive for the virus.

What this nurse might be saying is that people die from their pre-existing conditions rather than from Covid, but it's counted as Covid.

This is the opinion of the nurse in the linked article who is quitting her job rather than get vaccinated. As we’ve discussed in the past, a controlled pre-existing condition such as high blood pressure or diabetes would not likely have been fatal for someone at this particular time if it weren’t for Covid. Survivable underlying conditions are not the cause of death when someone is infected with Covid. Covid tips the balance. So yes, the death is caused by Covid and should be counted as such.

 

[Shamrock1]

Nurse explains why she won't get COVID-19 vaccine

Oct. 17—On Monday, nurse Michele Brown won't be working in the emergency department of Asante Ashland Community Hospital.

Instead, she'll be on administrative leave for refusing to follow a state mandate that all Oregon health care and K-12 school workers and volunteers be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 by Oct. 18 or seek a medical or religious exception.

Brown said Asante granted her a religious exception, but the accommodation it gave her was to place her on administrative leave.

"I love what I do. I don't love it enough to sacrifice my medical freedom," said Brown, who has decades of experience as a nurse.

Brown said she's not an anti-vaxxer. She's been vaccinated against other infectious illnesses, including the flu. She also doesn't deny that COVID-19 is real. She's seen the suffering of hospital patients with COVID-19.

Brown said people with underlying health problems should get vaccinated against COVID-19. But she said her healthy lifestyle and years of exposure to germs and viruses at the hospital have given her a strong immune system.

To her knowledge, Brown said she hasn't had COVID-19 herself.

She believes she's at such low risk of serious consequences from COVID-19 that, for her, it's not worth facing potential risks from vaccination.

Brown said she's not willing to get injected with COVID-19 vaccines because they use technology that is new for vaccinations.

Brown pointed to the example of a botched dengue fever vaccination program in the Philippines as an example of the risk of new vaccines.

Brown said she thinks it's too early to tell if COVID-19 vaccines will cause long-term harm.

"Three years from now, I hope I'm totally wrong and there are no untoward effects. I'm not willing to take those risks," she said.

She fears a COVID-19 vaccination could change how her body responds to viruses in the future in unpredictable ways.

Some have said people should accept personal responsibility for not getting vaccinated by staying home and not going to the hospital if they get severely ill. Others have said hospitals should prioritize patients who need surgery for cancer and other serious illnesses and turn away unvaccinated COVID-19 patients if there aren't enough hospital beds and staff to care for everyone.

Brown said hospitals provide care all the time to people who smoke, abuse drugs and alcohol, don't eat healthy food, don't exercise and make other harmful lifestyle decisions.

mRNA vaccines are not new. The tangled history of mRNA vaccines

 

[KALI]

Third Shot after 6 months?
Hubby and I had Maderna shots. 2nd shot in March.
Hubby works the front of our restaurant, I am able to work from home.
I am SO confused!
Should hubby and our employees all get a third shot?
If we do get the 3rd shot, how long is THAT supposed to last?
For me, the lack of clear guidence from TRUE scientists, is making me nuts.
I don't believe the MEDIA.
At our ages of 67 and 73, we are concerned.
* I do doubt that my husband will agree to shot number 3 in under a year.
I have no ammunition to present an argument to him that this is the right thing to do, because I cannot get any straight answers!
What an awful, terrible, disgusting, virus this is. It's killed and destroyed so many. WHY?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Third Shot after 6 months?
Hubby and I had Maderna shots. 2nd shot in March.
Hubby works the front of our restaurant, I am able to work from home.
I am SO confused!
Should hubby and our employees all get a third shot?
If we do get the 3rd shot, how long is THAT supposed to last?
For me, the lack of clear guidence from TRUE scientists, is making me nuts.
I don't believe the MEDIA.
At our ages of 67 and 73, we are concerned.
* I do doubt that my husband will agree to shot number 3 in under a year.
I have no ammunition to present an argument to him that this is the right thing to do, because I cannot get any straight answers!
What an awful, terrible, disgusting, virus this is. It's killed and destroyed so many. WHY?

I would go with what your doctor advises Kali. Thats what we're doing, my parents are waiting for appointments and then they'll be getting boosters. I'll follow as it unfolds. Also for the first time ever, this year I'll be getting a flu shot. I think we just have to put ourselves in the hands of the medical professionals and trust the national strategy is based on good science.

Just seeing Lilibet's post, thought I should edit to clarify we had the Zeneca here.

 

[Lilibet]

Third Shot after 6 months?
Hubby and I had Maderna shots. 2nd shot in March.
Hubby works the front of our restaurant, I am able to work from home.
I am SO confused!
Should hubby and our employees all get a third shot?
If we do get the 3rd shot, how long is THAT supposed to last?
For me, the lack of clear guidence from TRUE scientists, is making me nuts.
I don't believe the MEDIA.
At our ages of 67 and 73, we are concerned.
* I do doubt that my husband will agree to shot number 3 in under a year.
I have no ammunition to present an argument to him that this is the right thing to do, because I cannot get any straight answers!
What an awful, terrible, disgusting, virus this is. It's killed and destroyed so many. WHY?

@KALI nothing is official yet. An independent FDA advisory committee has recommended the Moderna booster. Then the FDA has to approve the booster and then it goes to the CDC for final approval, probably this week. So once the Moderna booster is officially approved by the CDC it will become available to those eligible. You and your husband will be in that category. Whether your employees should get the booster will depend on whether their work is considered to put them at high risk of infection and their ages. We don’t know yet what ages will be approved in the work category.

I’m sure you realize by now that there are no perfectly clear answers to many of our questions because this is a Novel (i.e. New) Coronavirus. Scientists are doing the best they can to get us protected with vaccines, but research is ongoing and there is some valid and understandable disagreement even among scientists. The media is doing the best it can to inform us in a new, constantly changing situation. Delta was a game changer. So your question about how long the booster will last is premature. And to expect perfect answers is unrealistic, I’m afraid. I suggest you talk to your doctor about you and your husband. I would expect that your doctor will recommend the booster for you both, especially considering your husband’s heart issues a couple of years ago. JMO

My husband and I will be eligible for the Pfizer booster in November and we plan to get it as soon as possible. It will last however long it lasts and if we have to get ongoing boosters we will. No big deal.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/fda...a-covid-booster-shots-for-at-risk-adults.html
A key Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Thursday unanimously recommended giving booster shots of Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine to people ages 65 and older and other vulnerable Americans. The vote was a crucial step before the U.S. can start administering third shots to some of the more than 69 million people who originally received that vaccine.

The nonbinding decision by the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee would bring guidelines for Moderna in line with third shots of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Those shots were authorized less than a month ago to a wide array of Americans, including the elderly, adults with underlying medical conditions and those who work or live in high-risk settings, such as health-care and grocery workers.

While the agency hasn’t always followed the advice of its committee, it often does. A final FDA decision on Moderna boosters could come within days. A CDC vaccine advisory committee is then expected to vote on the FDA’s proposal next week. If it recommends approval and the CDC endorses it, booster shots could begin immediately for eligible Americans who completed their immunizations at least six months ago.

 

[ilovewings]

Woman, 65, with end-stage liver disease is denied transplant because she refuses to get vaccinated | Daily Mail Online

I don't understand why some people don't understand why they will not transplant without having a patient get the Covid vaccine.