Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #102

[sds71]

[URL='https://twitter.com/TomPelissero']Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero[/URL]

A Tier 3 staffer with the Washington Football Team tested positive for the Omicron variant of COVID-19, per source. The first known case of that variant in the NFL. Another sign of the evolving nature of the situation, on the same day 36 NFL players went on COVID reserve lists.
The 36 players who went on the COVID list today because of positive tests was the highest number since that list was created in 2020.
Tier 3 staffers are not allowed around players. Positive cases in the NFL generally track with positive cases across the country. The league works with labs to conduct genomic sequencing and tests asymptomatic, fully vaccinated individuals weekly for monitoring purposes.

 

[ilovewings]

Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID — The Atlantic

This article infuriated me.

Can you say arrogant and clueless, but he is right, much of the country
is living life like there is no pandemic---today my husband and I spent
2 hours at T Mobile-- I was the only person with a mask-- The people in Florida for
sure live like there is no pandemic

 

[ilovewings]

Delete

 

[ilovewings]

I think you are correct. BBM - since the start of the pandemic . Still so sad..

"The latest CDC data from last week shows that nearly 590,089 people over 65 were have died from COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic, out of the 54.1 million individuals in that same population, according to US Census Bureau figures"

At the beginning of the pandemic the experts did not realize a lot
of things about this evil virus -- one of those things was that the virus was
particularly dangerous to seniors-_the death toll was horrendous to.the
elderly

 

[katydid23]

I have tried hard to find some credible, validated information about the safety of the boosters, etc. I want to understand if yearly boosters are indeed safe. I am not sure they can be compared to flu shots, as far as I understand.

In doing this search for the testing results done by Pfizer, I came across this lawsuit:

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/egvbkaeggpq/vaccine foia status report.pdf


The Food and Drug Administration is requesting a federal judge grant them a full 75 years to review and publish the safety data for Pfizer’s <modsnip> vaccine.

Other people are requesting they release it by March 2022 so people can make informed decisions.

 

[CrimeAway]

I can't see any reason why a third similar vaccine within 12 months could produce any strange, adverse effects. JMO.
Many vaccines are given in a 3 shot regimen, for example HPV.
Puppies receive parvovirus vaccines every ~3 weeks starting at 6 weeks, until 16 weeks of age without issue.

 

[musicaljoke]

I have tried hard to find some credible, validated information about the safety of the boosters, etc. I want to understand if yearly boosters are indeed safe. I am not sure they can be compared to flu shots, as far as I understand.

In doing this search for the testing results done by Pfizer, I came across this lawsuit:

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/egvbkaeggpq/vaccine foia status report.pdf


The Food and Drug Administration is requesting a federal judge grant them a full 75 years to review and publish the safety data for Pfizer’s <modsnip> vaccine.

Other people are requesting they release it by March 2022 so people can make informed decisions.

I am pretty sure this case will be tossed out of court. It looks beyond ridiculous.

 

[katydid23]

I can't see any reason why a third similar vaccine within 12 months could produce any strange, adverse effects. JMO.
Many vaccines are given in a 3 shot regimen, for example HPV.
Puppies receive parvovirus vaccines every ~3 weeks starting at 6 weeks, until 16 weeks of age without issue.

I was happy to go and receive my 3rd shot. But what I am now questioning is Fauci announcing that it might be a yearly booster from now on. Do I want my 6 yr old granddaughter to receive this shot every year from now on? I am not feeling comfortable with that, at this point.

 

[katydid23]

I am pretty sure this case will be tossed out of court. It looks beyond ridiculous.

Which part is ridiculous? The people asking for the data or Pfizer asking for 75 years to share it?

 

[musicaljoke]

Which part is ridiculous? The people asking for the data or Pfizer asking for 75 years to share it?

From what I can see, Pfizer is not directly involved. Instead, an activist group is asking for data from the FDA under the Freedom of information Act.

I am not a lawyer, but I expect that what they are asking for does not fall under the FOIA, and the reasons they are asking for it will not be considered valid. It appears to me that the intention of the activist group is to force the FDA to spend all of their resources on this foolish case to the point where the critical work that the FDA needs to do will be stopped. And that, during a pandemic, is beyond ridiculous.

The suit looks so unprofessional that I can hardly believe it's a real document. I suspect the request for information will be refused.

 

[SouthAussie]

From what I can see, Pfizer is not involved. Instead, a private group is asking for data from the FDA under the Freedom of information Act.

I am not a lawyer, but I expect that what they are asking for does not fall under the FOIA, and the reasons they are asking for it will not be considered valid.

The suit looks so unprofessional that I can hardly believe it's a real document. I suspect the request for information will be refused.

I read through it. The private group wants about 329,000 pages of information.

The FDA wants to produce 500 pages per month - "This rate is consistent with processing schedules entered by courts across the country in FOIA cases."

Some information within those 329,000 pages is proprietary and private, and I guess that means the pages must be vetted before being handed over. imo

 

[MajorHoople]

DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: I alerted the wider world to Omicron - and I believe Britain is overreacting | Daily Mail Online

"The UK Government's handling of what Boris Johnson warned will be a 'tidal wave' of Omicron infections verges on hysteria.

With predictions of one million cases by the end of the month and concerns about the NHS being overwhelmed with up to 10,000 hospitalisations per day, I gather there is talk of Christmas again being cancelled and a possible New Year lockdown.

Yet you only have to look at the picture in South Africa, where the world's first known cases of Omicron were spotted, to realise this reaction is out of all proportion to the risks posed by this variant.

And I should know — because I am the doctor who first raised the alarm about Omicron back in November.

The variant appeared to have been circulating in South Africa for some time, having previously been identified in Botswana. It was my duty — both as a GP and as chair of the South African Medical Association — to report my concerns."

"Patients typically present with muscle pain, body aches, a headache and a bit of fatigue. And their symptoms don't seem to get any worse than that. After about five days they clear up, and that's it.

In the part of South Africa where I work, there haven't been many patients admitted to hospital with Omicron, and most have been treated at home, using anti-inflammatories, such as ibuprofen, and low doses of cortisone.

Bear in mind, too, that most of those who contract Omicron here are unvaccinated (only 26 per cent of South Africans are fully vaccinated). While this is certainly not an argument against vaccination — I cannot stress the importance of that enough — it's reassuring to know that even unprotected bodies fight off this variant much more easily than Delta. Current data indicates that the majority of cases admitted to ICUs are unvaccinated people."

 

[Grouse]

DR. ANGELIQUE COETZEE: I alerted the wider world to Omicron - and I believe Britain is overreacting | Daily Mail Online

"The UK Government's handling of what Boris Johnson warned will be a 'tidal wave' of Omicron infections verges on hysteria.

With predictions of one million cases by the end of the month and concerns about the NHS being overwhelmed with up to 10,000 hospitalisations per day, I gather there is talk of Christmas again being cancelled and a possible New Year lockdown.

Yet you only have to look at the picture in South Africa, where the world's first known cases of Omicron were spotted, to realise this reaction is out of all proportion to the risks posed by this variant.

And I should know — because I am the doctor who first raised the alarm about Omicron back in November.

The variant appeared to have been circulating in South Africa for some time, having previously been identified in Botswana. It was my duty — both as a GP and as chair of the South African Medical Association — to report my concerns."

"Patients typically present with muscle pain, body aches, a headache and a bit of fatigue. And their symptoms don't seem to get any worse than that. After about five days they clear up, and that's it.

In the part of South Africa where I work, there haven't been many patients admitted to hospital with Omicron, and most have been treated at home, using anti-inflammatories, such as ibuprofen, and low doses of cortisone.

Bear in mind, too, that most of those who contract Omicron here are unvaccinated (only 26 per cent of South Africans are fully vaccinated). While this is certainly not an argument against vaccination — I cannot stress the importance of that enough — it's reassuring to know that even unprotected bodies fight off this variant much more easily than Delta. Current data indicates that the majority of cases admitted to ICUs are unvaccinated people."

Hopefully she is right. IF the UK is panicking that is at least partly down to publications like the DM themselves.

"talk of Christmas again being cancelled" is a bit of an exaggeration IMO. Personally I think the government is deliberately over-egging it a bit to get everyone to get their boosters and it seems to be working. JMO.

Bit surprised that she doesn't seem too concerned that only "26 per cent of South Africans are fully vaccinated".

 

[jjenny]

While it might cause mild disease in young healthy persons, in US we have a lot of overweight people with pre-existing conditions, they might end up in a hospital, overwhelming already overwhelmed hospitals even more.

 

[jjenny]

I was happy to go and receive my 3rd shot. But what I am now questioning is Fauci announcing that it might be a yearly booster from now on. Do I want my 6 yr old granddaughter to receive this shot every year from now on? I am not feeling comfortable with that, at this point.

People get flu vaccines every year. Are you only comfortable with getting it once? It won't work the next year.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was reading an article yesterday where it says that some healthcare workers won't even have the flu shot (let alone a covid shot).


‘Certainly we know we have a proportion of health workers who every year refuse to get the flu vaccine because of concerns around safety and effectiveness and so forth,’ Associate Professor Seale told newsGP.

‘There is a spectrum of knowledge around immunisation.

..... despite preconceived ideas about higher levels of education and health literacy, healthcare workers as a group are not inherently different from everyone else.

..... healthcare workers essentially represent a microcosm of the general population, with similar demographic traits and concerns as others who are vaccine hesitant.

newsGP - What makes healthcare workers vaccine hesitant?

 

[katydid23]

People get flu vaccines every year. Are you only comfortable with getting it once? It won't work the next year.

I haven't seen any concerns that people are getting heart inflammation issues with the flu vaccine. And I don't think the flu vaccine is as strong as the Covid vaccinations, nor were they hurried out and rushed with such a short time frame, before we began giving them to ur entire population.

Also, AFAIK, the flu vaccine companies have released their safety research data. They have not gone to court to try and withhold it for 75 more years, like Pfiser is currently doing. [ lawsuit=I linked it upthread a little]

 

[sds71]

Pfizer says COVID pill appears to work against omicron, significantly reduces serious issues for high-risk adults | WAVY.com

 

[jjenny]

I haven't seen any concerns that people are getting heart inflammation issues with the flu vaccine. And I don't think the flu vaccine is as strong as the Covid vaccinations, nor were they hurried out and rushed with such a short time frame, before we began giving them to ur entire population.

Also, AFAIK, the flu vaccine companies have released their safety research data. They have not gone to court to try and withhold it for 75 more years, like Pfiser is currently doing. [ lawsuit=I linked it upthread a little]

When you have a pandemic going on, and people are dying, you kind of have to hurry up, don't you think?
Did you want them to test for years while people were dying from covid? Rare side effects won't be evident any way, since you have to vaccinate millions before noticing those, and nobody tests millions during clinical trials.

 

[jjenny]

Pfizer says COVID pill appears to work against omicron, significantly reduces serious issues for high-risk adults | WAVY.com

That's really good news. I hope it's approved very soon.