Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #103

[CharlestonGal]

[QUOTE="Jsizzle, post: 17356375, member: 134366 Fall 2019 I thought I would die I was so sick. I had tonsillitis and a sinus infection and a fever and the worst sore throat you could imagine. Every swallow was like razor blades and everyday I’d wake up crying and feeling worse. My stupid doctor refused to give me antibiotics until I was basically begging for it and then she goes “oh yeah. You have bad tonsillitis” grrrrr. I realize Covid is worse for a lot of people so I’m not saying that is the case for everyone but in my experience this has been child’s play compared to that and I was pleasantly surprised how fast we are recovering.

AFAIK, tonsillitis is usually viral, unless it's strep throat instead, and so no antibiotics are given. Though they might have helped with the sinus infection.

I've had tonsillitis, too, when I was a teenager. I remember that razor blade sensation. It was awful. Can't swallow, can't sleep.

But in fairness, I have to say that tonsillitis is not sweeping the world and causing millions of deaths. I'm happy that this has been easier for you, of course, but it cannot be compared to any of the diseases we have each endured in the past.

I was 15 minutes from death, eight days after I gave birth. I had ulcers that perforated and that's what the doctors told me---I only survived because I was already in the emergency room with my parents looking after my newborn at home. Since I was already in the ER they rushed me in for emergency surgery. I wouldn't have lived if I'd been home, and I initially refused to go to the ER because I was still bleeding from giving birth and my milk was coming in.

I mention this, and I'm sure we all have stories, because the pain is something I can't begin to articulate, but even if I had died on the hospital floor where I collapsed, I wouldn't have gotten anyone else sick.

Covid is not child's play, although I'm genuinely relieved when you or anyone is doing well. However IMO your experience does not reflect the suffering of those who gasped to death, 800,000 and counting in America alone.

We who wish to get together with our loved ones might actually be the enemy, without even knowing it. The transmissibility of this disease is something not seen for a century. Thankfully you were vaccinated and so were spared the worst effects, but people are still dying so we can't minimize or trivialize Covid at all.

I’m sure that wasn’t your intent.

IMO

I honestly don't understand the minimization of covid. It is not a common cold. It is SARS - Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. Calling it a flu, a common cold, a mild disease or comparing it to a sinus infection or tonsillitis is wildly inaccurate. It is not tonsillitis or a cold or a flu. People need to call it what it is - SARS. Omicron can be called "mild" in comparison to Delta, but it is every bit as dangerous as Alpha was.

And it is not nearly finished evolving. Though Omicron appears to cause milder disease than Delta, that means nothing. This virus is young. And it is now spreading in many more people than before. Which means - a whole lot of new variant factories, which is just a horrible situation. jmo

Edit: Fixed quote.

 

[Lilibet]

@CharlestonGal, I completely agree with you about minimization of any covid variant. There will be those who die of Omicron, possibly even those who are vaxxed if they have underlying conditions. We have GOT to take this seriously. We just returned on Tuesday from a medically necessary four day trip out of state (by car this time) and I’m still noticing every little sniff and scratch.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Your quote from Arkay is broken @CharlestonGal. Not too late to edit.

I completely agree with you about minimization of any covid variant. There will be those who die of Omicron. JMO

Yeah, I fixed that mess.

 

[Lilibet]

Yeah, I fixed that mess.

LOL and I deleted my suggestion after you did and added to my comment.

 

[Jsizzle]

You didn't get lucky. Your state is violating administration guidelines and giving mabs to people who don't qualify.

ETA: Monoclonal antibodies haven't shown much difference in a healthy 41 year old patient and the risk/benefit profile is negative. Side effects include:

• Low blood pressure
• Anaphylaxis
• Serious infections
• Cancer
• Serum sickness
• Autoimmune thyroiditis
• Arterial and venous blood clots
• Congestive heart failure
• Bleeding
• Interstitial lung disease
• Hepatitis
• Generation of antibodies
• Enterocolitis
• Gastrointestinal perforation
• Mucositis
• Stomatitis
• Anemia
• Congestive heart failure
• Bleeding
• Interstitial lung disease
• Hepatitis
• Generation of antibodies
• Enterocolitis
• Gastrointestinal perforation
• Mucositis
• Stomatitis
• Anemia
• Reduced white blood cell counts
• Hypothyroidism

There is no reason to expose a healthy 41 y/o to these side effects when the treatment shows no benefit in that population.

On our state website under the Covid guidelines is a self referral for the monoclonal antibodies. I don’t think anyone is breaking any rules.

eta- He felt 100 times better the following day so I assume it did something.

 

[Jsizzle]

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@Jsizzle
AFAIK, tonsillitis is usually viral, unless it's strep throat instead, and so no antibiotics are given. Though they might have helped with the sinus infection.

I've had tonsillitis, too, when I was a teenager. I remember that razor blade sensation. It was awful. Can't swallow, can't sleep.

But in fairness, I have to say that tonsillitis is not sweeping the world and causing millions of deaths. I'm happy that this has been easier for you, of course, but it cannot be compared to any of the diseases we have each endured in the past.

I was 15 minutes from death, eight days after I gave birth when I was 24. I had ulcers that perforated and that's what the doctors told me---I only survived because I was already in the emergency room with my parents looking after my newborn at home. Since I was already in the ER they rushed me in for emergency surgery. I wouldn't have lived if I'd been home, and I initially refused to go to the ER because I was still bleeding from giving birth and my milk was coming in.

I mention this, and I'm sure we all have stories, because the pain is something I can't begin to articulate, but even if I had died on the hospital floor where I collapsed, I wouldn't have gotten anyone else sick.

Covid is not child's play, although I'm genuinely relieved when you or anyone is doing well. However IMO your experience does not reflect the suffering of those who gasped to death, 800,000 and counting in America alone.

We who wish to get together with our loved ones might actually be the enemy, without even knowing it. The transmissibility of this disease is something not seen for a century. Thankfully you were vaccinated and so were spared the worst effects, but people are still dying so we can't minimize or trivialize Covid at all.

I’m sure that wasn’t your intent.

IMO

That’s not at all what I meant. I was saying for me. Not for everyone. I stated that in my post.

 

[Jsizzle]

I honestly don't understand the minimization of covid. It is not a common cold. It is SARS - Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. Calling it a flu, a common cold, a mild disease or comparing it to a sinus infection or tonsillitis is wildly inaccurate. It is not tonsillitis or a cold or a flu. People need to call it what it is - SARS. Omicron can be called "mild" in comparison to Delta, but it is every bit as dangerous as Alpha was.

And it is not nearly finished evolving. Though Omicron appears to cause milder disease than Delta, that means nothing. This virus is young. And it is now spreading in many more people than before. Which means - a whole lot of new variant factories, which is just a horrible situation. jmo

Edit: Fixed quote.

I wasn’t comparing the two. I was saying for ME I was way more sick in 2019 than I have been with Covid. And I also said , I know that’s not the case for some.

 

[CrimeAway]

yes! I am greatly confused by all of this because we cannot have the body making antibodies to COVID 24/7 to the exclusion of everything else if it s not even being attacked by COVID. Do they know what good residual levels would be? If they are not monitoring people all the time, how do they know if people with low levels ever had a good response?

What is meant by correlates of protection? – COVID-19

 

[Teche]

On our state website under the Covid guidelines is a self referral for the monoclonal antibodies. I don’t think anyone is breaking any rules.

eta- He felt 100 times better the following day so I assume it did something.

Our state has the same guidelines and posted them on the state Department of Health's official page. At 1st, the guidelines were much stricter and only allowed a medical referral.

 

[Jsizzle]

Our state has the same guidelines and posted them on the state Department of Health's official page. At 1st, the guidelines were much stricter and only allowed a medical referral.

Exactly. Ok so I’m not crazy lol. He had to do a self referral. They asks for his stats (age weight symptoms etc) and scheduled him the next day. I didn’t think there was anything nefarious about it and I was happy he got them because we didn’t have any idea how this thing would turn out.

 

[Satchie]

I hate to be the grinch that stole xmas, but I think Fauci and other "experts"
didnt have the guts to say no, we as a country are not ready to gather
for the holidays-- they should have said we are looking at the most transmissible
variant we have seen--- it is just too risky-please avoid travel--if you carry on
with these activivities there will be a Tsunami of disease, the likes of
which we have not yet seen--

Unfortunately, I don't think they can presume to speak for the whole US, there is no 'we'. Especially when you include business interests. I'm just an observer, but it seems to me anything Fauci and experts say, will drive many people to do the opposite, and then blame them for everything that goes wrong. l think they've taken the only tack that's humanly possible: promote vacination, and stop there. If the American people are so smart, let them sort it all out. At least the airlines and stranded passengers, for example, can't blame the goverment or experts, for their current situation.

You'll lead a horse to water only so many times, then it's: ok, find you're own way.

JMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Omicron’s cold-like symptoms mean UK guidance ‘needs urgent update’

The most widespread symptoms of the Omicron variant now match those of common colds, with calls for the government to update its public health messaging to include a wider number of likely Covid symptoms.

The most common symptoms reported among users of the Zoe Covid app have been a running nose, headaches, fatigue, sneezing and sore throats, according to the study’s most recent analysis of confirmed cases in London.

Half of those reporting cold-like symptoms also tested positive for Covid, with no clear difference in the symptoms reported for Delta or Omicron infections. But only about half of infected users also reported the “classic three symptoms of fever, cough, or loss of sense of smell or taste”, according to the Zoe analysis.

Well, here we go-finally getting truer description of symptoms of Omicron. This sounds like you to a T, Charlston.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

What does it mean if you have no COVID-19 vaccine side effects?

"What we know from the (clinical) trials is that there's not a correlation between not experiencing symptoms and not being able to mount an immune response," said Dr. Albert Ko, a professor of epidemiology and medicine at the Yale School of Public Health in New Haven, Connecticut. "People still mount good antibodies ... whether they experienced symptoms or not after vaccination. People should not suspect that if they don't get symptoms, the vaccine didn't work."

According to this study the majority do not get side effects:

Study reveals extent of Covid vaccine side-effects

About one in three people recently given a Covid vaccine by the NHS report some side-effects.

• • 37% experienced some local "after-effects", such as pain or swelling near the site of the injection, after their first dose, rising to about 45% of the 10,000 who had received two doses

• • 14% had at least one whole-body (systemic) after-effect - such as fever, aches or chills - within seven days of the first dose, rising to about 22% after the second dose

Thanks sooo much. I just had not bothered to research and am really happy to see this.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Well, here we go-finally getting truer description of symptoms of Omicron. This sounds like you to a T, Charlston.

Yes, it does. Which is why I was so concerned yesterday. I was already aware of the differing symptoms of Omicron which put me on high alert when I developed those exact symptoms. In times past I would have written it off to simple flu, which it does honestly feel like. I fear many are going to make the same mistake - writing Omicron off as the simple flu. The symptoms are quite similar. I've only had legit flu once, when I was a teenager. The symptoms came on quickly and laid me out within an hour or two. The same thing happened with Omicron. Fast and furious.

 

[Lilibet]

Yes, it does. Which is why I was so concerned yesterday. I was already aware of the differing symptoms of Omicron which put me on high alert when I developed those exact symptoms. In times past I would have written it off to simple flu, which it does honestly feel like. I fear many are going to make the same mistake - writing Omicron off as the simple flu. The symptoms are quite similar. I've only had legit flu once, when I was a teenager. The symptoms came on quickly and laid me out within an hour or two. The same thing happened with Omicron. Fast and furious.

I just posted the symptoms on my WhatsApp chat to keep my friends informed, and told them how contagious it is and how fast it can come on. Many keep informed, but some don’t, so I interrupt the regular chatting with “public service announcements” occasionally.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Interesting. I just checked Worldometer and many states did not bother to report at all today. Including Texas, Illinois, Michigan, North Carolina, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Kentucky, Washington, Louisiana, Maryland, Utah, Iowa, Mississippi, Kansas, Nevada, Connecticut, Oregon, New Mexico, Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Rhode Island, Montana, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming, DC and Vermont.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

 

[Lilibet]

Interesting. I just checked Worldometer and many states did not bother to report at all today. Including Texas, Illinois, Michigan, North Carolina, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Kentucky, Washington, Louisiana, Maryland, Utah, Iowa, Mississippi, Kansas, Nevada, Connecticut, Oregon, New Mexico, Nebraska, West Virginia, Idaho, Rhode Island, Montana, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Alaska, Wyoming, DC and Vermont.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

I suspect it might have to do with today being Dec. 24 and a day off for government offices, since Christmas falls on a Saturday. Here in Oregon Saturday and Sunday reports are reported on Monday every week, for the same reason. Just guessing.

 

[margarita25]

“Omicron may come and go, and Delta could remain with us”

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[indicolite22]

Connecticut man finds fake COVID-19 vaccination card in passport holder he purchased from Amazon | Daily Mail Online

• The small card was blank on both sides and had the official logo for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on the top right corner
• The man reported the incident to state authorities and said that it was 'a little bigger than the real card'
• Amazon said the owner of the listing was able to bypass the online sites algorithm that prevents sellers from posting fake COVID-19 vaccination cards

 

[indicolite22]

Unseemly moment two men brawl on flight after 'loud, drunken' passenger and rival clashed over masks | Daily Mail Online

These in-flight fisticuffs were among the 5,779 disruptive passenger incidents logged by the Federal Aviation Administration in 2021. Naturally, 4,158 of those were due to passengers refusing to wear masks.