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  • #221
I don't get it either. If you don't believe in or take the advice of the medical science people, why go to the building full of medical science people??? Makes no sense. jmo
Here typical anti-vaxxers would say that they believed in medicine and vaccines, just not in "experimental concoctions". The other response would be that by paying for health insurance they were entitled to treatment.
 
  • #222
And...a housekeeper is out ill until "Monday" ummmm...does that coincide with the 5 days from the CDC? Considering they don't work weekends, why yes it does. I wonder who is next?

That is two workers out already. Our director is finally wearing her mask as if this could not be any more obvious. I believe they are sweeping this under the table in order not to upset residents or close the dining room/activities. I think we all have a "right" to know if people we come in contact with everyday, even if it's just a walk by in the hallway, have Covid.
 
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Here typical anti-vaxxers would say that they believed in medicine and vaccines, just not in "experimental concoctions". The other response would be that by paying for health insurance they were entitled to treatment.
Monoclonal antibodies and the new anti-virals are also "experimental concoctions", so....
jmo
 
  • #224
And...a housekeeper is out ill until "Monday" ummmm...does that coincide with the 5 days from the CDC? Considering they don't work weekends, why yes it does. I wonder who is next?
I think you need to put a pause on your voluntary mail and package delivery to other residents for a little while. Especially since they refuse to mask or distance. jmo
 
  • #225
Monoclonal antibodies and the new anti-virals are also "experimental concoctions", so....
jmo
Yeah, but horse dewormer isn't... You can see where this is going.

Some people believe that side-effects from current vaccines pose a bigger danger than treatment.
 
  • #226
Imo @CharlestonGal asks a question that I think is somewhat answered by the comment from @MrX.

In a state like Arizona, where @MrX has told us before that virtually no one wears masks, and that a place like New Mexico is “a nightmare” because so much has closed down—— well to me it seems that’s the connection. Arizona doesn’t believe in mask wearing or in restricting entry to indoor places, so it’s inevitable that the death rate is climbing. In September it was likely still Delta.

Now again, to be clear and as I’ve posted before—-here in NYC we have a high positivity rate, despite strict laws regarding vaccine mandates and masks. And as I’ve also stated before, the stores and customers and apartment buildings where we own our co-ops are NOT obeying.

I just returned with two friends from Dunkin’ Donuts and then our friend’s apartment. Dunkin is plastered with signs that anyone aged 12 and up must show proof of vaccine, and that masks are required. (It’s not a drive-through, we have to enter the store). My friends and I were double masked, yet customers came in and while we waited to take our coffee to go, half of them did not wear masks. And zero of us were asked for vaccine proof.

IT’S ALL A FACADE. A POTEMKIN VILLAGE.


And the same thing going to my friend’s apartment. We have signs and rules REQUIRING masks in the common areas, like the lobby, elevators, mail room and laundry room, but only about 50% are wearing them. We own our co-ops, they cost more than a huge house in another state, and yet the basic safety rules are not adhered to, not even by our security force which is supposed to hand out $100 violations.

So, IMO if people can’t stir themselves enough to slap a mask on their face for five minutes indoors, and to get a one-second vaccine, this virus will never end. It’s playing with us because we are so ignorant.

The eligible people in my family are triple-vaxed. I don’t hang out with any friends who are not. I’ve done what I can do.

I hear your frustration and share it with you--
 
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I think you need to put a pause on your voluntary mail and package delivery to other residents for a little while. Especially since they refuse to mask or distance. jmo

I agree. I think it's safe to say we are all worried about you. I don't think it's worth the risk to do this right now until things calm down.
 
  • #229
The truth is when the non believers (for the most part) get sick enough to be in the hospital, they change their tune really fast. I can't tell you how many interviews taken in various hospitals here end with the patient saying get the vaccine while gasping for air. I have seen others taken in the hospital that say they still would not want the vaccine but they aren't the norm. I've come to believe that we live amongst lots of stupid people. Way more than I'd have ever guessed. Just flat out stupid in the face of proof, studies, professional recommendations, etc. I can hardly watch their interviews, I feel as if my head will explode.

BBM
Yeah, lots and lots of stupid people around us. I had no idea the extent of stupidity until 2 years ago.

I don't know which group is more stupider.
Unvaccinated (without valid reasons) vs Unmasked.

Right now, I vote Unmasked as more stupider.
There's virtually no side effects by putting on a mask. It is just a barrier between your body and contaminated air. No 'foreign material', as my unvaccinated friend describes why she won't get the vaccine, is going inside your body. And the masks' protectiveness doesn't wane.

Personally, unmasked people scares me more than the unvaccinated because I feel the immediate danger when I see one coming close to me.
 
  • #230
And...a housekeeper is out ill until "Monday" ummmm...does that coincide with the 5 days from the CDC? Considering they don't work weekends, why yes it does. I wonder who is next?

That is two workers out already. Our director is finally wearing her mask as if this could not be any more obvious. I believe they are sweeping this under the table in order not to upset residents or close the dining room/activities. I think we all have a "right" to know if people we come in contact with everyday, even if it's just a walk by in the hallway, have Covid.
You are a smart cookie Tabitha. I agree with you that the residents should be updated so that they can make their own risk choices. I'm glad to hear the director is wearing her mask (yes so obvious) but take progress where you can. Stay smart and safe.
 
  • #231
I cannot even fathom that the US is doing the same inadequate unprepared baloney now as we did 2 flipping years ago! How do we not have tests ready to go? How are we repeatedly caught unaware when every single thing from PPE to tests to vaccines to antibody treatments should have been stockpiled long ago? It’s mortifying and infuriating. Here we go again!
PS my state ran out of tests today. There’s a testing facility about 5 minutes from my house and the local PD just put out an announcement to avoid the major road where the site is because it’s backed up for miles with cars waiting to get in and park. Estimates are that we as a state are over 20k tests short today for the people who needed them.

I think my views of federal and local government will be forever changed. Before this I viewed the U.S. as a relatively competent country and government. I assumed that most people in positions of authority had some measurable levels of competency and morals guiding their actions for our nation. I'm afraid that view has been totally annihilated at this point.

I'd say we are proving ourselves utter and complete failures. Remember that nonexistent national stockpile? We have failed on a federal level every step of the way. And for many of us our state governments have proved abject failures as well.

Nothing but political pandering left and right. I expect nothing from them at this point. It's totally on me to do what I can and prepare my family as I can. And I definitely resent it. I paid way more in taxes last year than apparently people like the President of the United States and millionaires and billionaires do. And my government does. not. care. what happens to me or my children. That is abundantly clear.
 
  • #232
CDC: 75 Cruise Ships Under Monitoring or More Over COVID Outbreaks

The CDC has 75 different cruise ships under some form of investigation, observation or monitoring due to COVID outbreaks onboard, the agency said.

The data update, posted late Monday night, underscores the difficulty in controlling the virus in the face of the highly contagious omicron variant, particularly given its increased ability to infect vaccinated people.

There are 36 ships under active investigation, 32 where the CDC investigated already and the ship remains under observation, and 7 where the CDC is monitoring but the ship is under the threshold for investigation. The status table did not indicate how many people were infected on each ship, or when.
 
  • #233
BBM
Yeah, lots and lots of stupid people around us. I had no idea the extent of stupidity until 2 years ago.

I don't know which group is more stupider.
Unvaccinated (without valid reasons) vs Unmasked.

Right now, I vote Unmasked as more stupider.
There's virtually no side effects by putting on a mask. It is just a barrier between your body and contaminated air. No 'foreign material', as my unvaccinated friend describes why she won't get the vaccine, is going inside your body. And the masks' protectiveness doesn't wane.

Personally, unmasked people scares me more than the unvaccinated because I feel the immediate danger when I see one coming close to me.

Could not agree more-- I am shocked at the level of stupidity in our country
 
  • #234
I have to go downtown to Baylor Hospital for a scan tomorrow. I sent my contact at the doctor's office an email saying I wasn't crazy about being downtown Dallas at the large hospital with COVID surging like it is. She said it could be pushed forward but no more that one month and who knows what COVID will be doing then. No good answers on much of anything at this point in time. I opted to keep the appointment tomorrow but will be wearing double masks because I believe a month from now could be a real s__t show.

Options like these are so scary. I hate we have to make them. I hope everything turns out well for you and you manage to not catch anything. I have to remind myself of people like my OB who is at a major hospital in Atlanta daily, delivering babies, and as far as I know has still never caught it.
 
  • #235
Could not agree more-- I am shocked at the level of stupidity in our country
Have y'all never seen the documentary "Idiocracy"? :p haha
 
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Options like these are so scary. I hate we have to make them. I hope everything turns out well for you and you manage to not catch anything. I have to remind myself of people like my OB who is at a major hospital in Atlanta daily, delivering babies, and as far as I know has still never caught it.

What I tell myself is that not everybody is going to get the virus!
 
  • #238
OMG My blood pressure went up just by watching the brainless woman in the video.

L.A. woman taken into custody after allegedly hitting, spitting on another passenger on Delta flight to Atlanta | KTLA

A Los Angeles woman was taken into custody after she allegedly hit and spit on another passenger on a Delta flight last week.
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Video shows flight crew members trying to hold back a woman who was yelling and apparently striking a passenger who was seated in the plane.
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Different video tweeted by ATL Uncensored shows Cornwall yelling at a male passenger to put his mask on. At the time, her own mask was sitting on her chin, video showed.
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  • #239
What is it, exactly, they expect people to do? Home tests are becoming scarcer by the moment, available appointments for testing are days out (here, at least). jmo

ETA: And vulnerable people have to start mab's or anti-virals within days of symptoms. How are they supposed to do that if they can't even get a test???

And the home tests can take a few days to show positive!
 
  • #240
I hear your frustration and share it with you--

Thank you, @ilovewings

I am indeed frustrated; but also angry, getting bitter and in despair.

I'm not angry at the Coronavirus. It's doing what it's supposed to do. Even though it isn't alive, it is mindlessly replicating and mutating when necessary in order to keep itself going. That's the job of a virus.

In March 2020, I was scared and anxious. My city was the epicenter in America and no one knew anything. The doctors and scientists hadn't seen this particular virus, it was novel, and they were learning on the fly. My governor at the time seemed to know what he was doing...at the time, but as it emerged, that was not the reality.

We know so much more now. We know the efficacy of mask-wearing and we have a miracle vaccine. I had retired shortly before Covid came around and had many plans for travel and to pursue the leisure activities that bring me joy, plus spend more time with my grandchildren, and to visit my elderly and ill parents in Florida more frequently.

Just like everyone else, my dreams and hopes were put on hold. Couldn't see family, couldn't travel, couldn't go to the places and pursue the activities I'd waited so long to have time to do.

But now, nearly two years later, I am beyond the beyond. I have to run a gauntlet of unmasked and likely unvaccinated people just to leave my building. The rest of my family who live in the suburbs just have to open their doors, but still cannot do the things they wish. Like all of us.

I don't blame the doctors and scientists although the messaging keeps changing, because the virus keeps zig-zagging and throwing us all for a loop each time.

But I am livid at the people who protest against vaccines and mask-wearing. IMO they are perpetuating a crisis that actually has a solution, if we all acted upon it.

It's like having a nation of drunk drivers on the road. In my opinion.
 
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