Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #107

[katydid23]

Is there any proof that vaccinated people are unlikely to pass the virus to others ?

The only difference I know of is that the unvaccinated usually get a more severe case or reaction to the virus. But vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and still pass the virus on to others.


The Risk of Vaccinated COVID Transmission Is Not Low

 

[SouthAussie]

Is there any proof that vaccinated people are unlikely to pass the virus to others ?

The only difference I know of is that the unvaccinated usually get a more severe case or reaction to the virus. But vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and still pass the virus on to others.


The Risk of Vaccinated COVID Transmission Is Not Low

No, there is not ... as far as I know.

But if it makes a requesting customer feel more comfortable to have a vaxxed tradesperson in their home, it is something my client accommodates - or else he will need to forego their business. Which is something my client doesn't want to do - due to reputation and income.

To him, it is preferable to give a vaxxed staff member the work - rather than trying to tell a customer that they can still catch the virus from a vaccinated person.

If the customer requests vaxxed tradespeople in their home, they get them.

 

[mickey2942]

@KALI I hope that your restaurant is full on Valentines Day!
@BetteDavisEyes our housecleaning service raised prices too. We were happy to pay.

One of our favorite restaurants went out of business, but the owner has done a "pivot" to a food truck. He goes to local brewpubs and has been doing great. I follow his FB page, and try to support his business. I used to get take out from his place, during the shut down. It was so sad. A bustling restaurant, completely empty. People who managed to stay afloat are amazing.

 

[CSIDreamer]

@KALI I hope that your restaurant is full on Valentines Day!
@BetteDavisEyes our housecleaning service raised prices too. We were happy to pay.

One of our favorite restaurants went out of business, but the owner has done a "pivot" to a food truck. He goes to local brewpubs and has been doing great. I follow his FB page, and try to support his business. I used to get take out from his place, during the shut down. It was so sad. A bustling restaurant, completely empty. People who managed to stay afloat are amazing.

I love food trucks. JMO

 

[LadyL]

Yeah, that sounds creepy that random people or strangers would ask your vaccination status.

I can’t imagine having that type of conversation with a random shopper in the grocery store line for example. Maybe a nod and hello is about it for chitchat when I’m out and about in public.

I did ask the home health care agency that sends their employees who come into my house if the nurses/aides/PT were vaccinated and to confirm they would wear masks.
Just because they would be in very close contact with a family member.

I'm the opposite. I don't find it creepy at all. There's lots of conversations about getting the flu and whether or not vaccinated. I see this Covid conversation the same way. I wouldn't find it odd if a total stranger asked me my status. I've been known to offer the info too if maybe too close for comfort to a stranger.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I love food trucks. JMO

Food Trucks are rising!!! We have city regulations preventing food trucks, and people are fighting this and winning!

It has been kindof fun seeing the "people" get the laws changed.
Food Trucks do have such amazing food!

 

[ilovewings]

Antihistamines may help resolve long COVID, scientists believe: Treatment discovered by accident | Daily Mail Online

Very interesting article about two people taking antihistamines and getting relief from long-Covid symptoms. These are anecdotal accounts, but it seems worth while to try this for long Covid symptoms. It would be great if at least some people found relief with antihistamines.

 

[ilovewings]

Efficacy against what though?
Infection?
Severe disease?
Death?

The Covid vaccines were never designed to prevent infection, IMO.

Not a dig at you at all, but I find a lot of the MSM reporting on these issues to be sensationalist and lacking in full factual analysis.

We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines

How vaccines work

Most people here at WS understand the Covid vaccine is not meant to prevent disease, but it is intended to be effective against severe disease, hospitalization and death. I am not sure many other people understand this though. I take issue with the term "breakthrough infection"- coined by the CDC. This insinuates that Covid "broke thru"-- when that is not the case at all. When someone who has had a flu vaccine gets the flu, no one calls it a break through infection because people understand that you can still get the flu, even if you have been vaccinated, so why should it be called a break through infection when the Covid vaccine is not meant to prevent Covid? Once again CDC messaging has been very confusing.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Food Trucks are rising!!! We have city regulations preventing food trucks, and people are fighting this and winning!

It has been kindof fun seeing the "people" get the laws changed.
Food Trucks do have such amazing food!

Our city ordinances were changed in 2020 to allow them with some minor hoops to jump through.

 

[Yesiamapirate]

School mask mandates will be lifted in all counties by the end of February.

Wayne, Oakland, Washtenaw counties to end school mask mandates

 

[Teche]

Food Trucks are rising!!! We have city regulations preventing food trucks, and people are fighting this and winning!

It has been kindof fun seeing the "people" get the laws changed.
Food Trucks do have such amazing food!

I love food trucks. We a beautiful park that just opened and have a Food Truck Friday event and a small town opened a food truck park that provides picnic tables and umbrellas.

 

[Sundog]

Most people here at WS understand the Covid vaccine is not meant to prevent disease, but it is intended to be effective against severe disease, hospitalization and death. I am not sure many other people understand this though. I take issue with the term "breakthrough infection"- coined by the CDC. This insinuates that Covid "broke thru"-- when that is not the case at all. When someone who has had a flu vaccine gets the flu, no one calls it a break through infection because people understand that you can still get the flu, even if you have been vaccinated, so why should it be called a break through infection when the Covid vaccine is not meant to prevent Covid? Once again CDC messaging has been very confusing.

I notice that many scientists are now calling it a therapeutic vaccine, to make just that point.

 

[jjenny]

As far as I can tell, no one is going to deliberately design a vaccine that doesn't prevent the disease itself. One is not going to stop a pandemic with a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection and spread. Vaccine was designed against an original virus and worked pretty well in preventing infection/disease. Unfortunately covid keeps on mutating. So vaccine is no longer able to prevent infection.

 

[jjenny]

Is there any proof that vaccinated people are unlikely to pass the virus to others ?

The only difference I know of is that the unvaccinated usually get a more severe case or reaction to the virus. But vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and still pass the virus on to others.


The Risk of Vaccinated COVID Transmission Is Not Low

Originally vaccine was preventing infection and thus spread of the virus by vaccinated persons. Also, if vaccinated person got infected, their viral load was low, preventing the spread. But that all changed with delta covid. Vaccine works even less well in preventing infection with omicron.

 

[ilovewings]

As far as I can tell, no one is going to deliberately design a vaccine that doesn't prevent the disease itself. One is not going to stop a pandemic with a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection and spread. Vaccine was designed against an original virus and worked pretty well in preventing infection/disease. Unfortunately covid keeps on mutating. So vaccine is no longer able to prevent infection.

As far as I can tell, no one is going to deliberately design a vaccine that doesn't prevent the disease itself. One is not going to stop a pandemic with a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection and spread. Vaccine was designed against an original virus and worked pretty well in preventing infection/disease. Unfortunately covid keeps on mutating. So vaccine is no longer able to prevent infection.

As far as I understand the Covid vaccine, it does not 100% prevent infection-it is not designed to do that-- it is designed to boost our immune system to lessen the chance of contracting the virus, and if we do contract the virus, the vaccine lessens the severity of the virus, hopefully preventing hospitalization and death..Therefore we must still do things like wear masks to further mitigate against contracting the virus.

 

[jjenny]

As far as I understand the Covid vaccine, it does not 100% prevent infection-it is not designed to do that-- it is designed to boost our immune system to lessen the chance of contracting the virus, and if we do contract the virus, the vaccine lessens the severity of the virus, hopefully preventing hospitalization and death..Therefore we must still do things like wear masks to further mitigate against contracting the virus.

In my opinion claims that it's "not designed to prevent infection" are misleading. It kind of suggest that you could design a vaccine to prevent infection but decided not to (for whatever reason).
mRNA vaccines are the state of the art technology, and if they don't prevent infection, it's not because they are specifically designed that way. It's because this is the best we can do at this time.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Camilla, wife of Britain’s Prince Charles, tests positive for Covid-19 (nbcnews.com)

Prince Charles tested positive for Covid-19 last week for the second time since the pandemic began.

Camilla, the wife of British heir-to-the-throne Prince Charles, has tested positive for coronavirus.

“Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cornwall has tested positive for Covid-19 and is self-isolating,” Clarence House said in a statement. “We continue to follow government guidelines.”...

 

[MimosaMornings]

Covid-19 created America’s next health care crisis: The cancers we didn’t catch early — Vox

“The Covid-19 pandemic dealt a crushing blow to the preventive services that can catch potential health problems before they become life-threatening. Screenings for several major cancers fell significantly during 2020, according to a study published in December 2021 in the journal Cancer. Colonoscopies dropped by nearly half compared to 2019, prostate biopsies by more than 25 percent. New diagnoses declined by 13 percent to 23 percent, depending on the cancer — not because there was less cancer in the world, but because less of it was being detected. The screening backlog was still growing by the end of 2020, according to this recent study, albeit at a slower rate.”

Colonoscopies dropped by nearly HALF compared to 2019.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I notice that many scientists are now calling it a therapeutic vaccine, to make just that point.

“The [smallpox] vaccination caused sterilizing immunity, meaning that you don’t carry any of the virus. The antibodies that you generate, the responses you generate, clear the virus from your system entirely,” Bowdish says.

Although many vaccines widely used today (against measles, for example) produce very effective sterilizing immunity, others, such as the hepatitis B vaccine, do not. With these vaccines, an individual’s immune system is trained to prevent illness, yet the pathogen can persist in that person’s body, potentially allowing them to infect others.

Sterilizing immunity may have been a lofty goal for COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers, though not necessary to curb disease. According to Crowcroft, the very concept of such immunity is nuanced.

Vaccines Need Not Completely Stop COVID Transmission to Curb the Pandemic

 

[10ofRods]

Is there any proof that vaccinated people are unlikely to pass the virus to others ?

The only difference I know of is that the unvaccinated usually get a more severe case or reaction to the virus. But vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and still pass the virus on to others.


The Risk of Vaccinated COVID Transmission Is Not Low

Yes. Vaccinated people's nasal immunity system neutralizes the virus. In theory, they can still transmit it, but probably about as well as 10 year old can.

Vaccinated people are safer to be around, are unlikely to produce the viral load needed to infect others, etc.