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  • #961
More confusion on NSAIDs it seems:

Is Ibuprofen Really Risky for Coronavirus Patients?

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Is Ibuprofen Really Risky for Coronavirus Patients?
Experts are puzzling over a claim made by France’s health minister.

The health minister of France, Olivier Véran, has issued a blunt warning about painkillers taken by people ill with the coronavirus: Stay away from drugs like ibuprofen and aspirin.

Take acetaminophen instead, he advised in a tweet on Saturday. So-called nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories like ibuprofen worsened symptoms of the illness caused by the coronavirus, he said.


Olivier Véran

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#COVIDー19 | La prise d'anti-inflammatoires (ibuprofène, cortisone, ...) pourrait être un facteur d'aggravation de l’infection. En cas de fièvre, prenez du paracétamol.
Si vous êtes déjà sous anti-inflammatoires ou en cas de doute, demandez conseil à votre médecin.


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Some patients had experienced serious adverse effects while taking Nsaids, the health ministry said in a bulletin to doctors, and Nsaids should never be used in these patients.


The advice left many medical experts scratching their heads. The coronavirus is a new pathogen, and little is known about the disease it causes, called Covid-19, or how patients respond to common medications.

Dr. Véran’s warning followed a letter published in The Lancet this month. The letter’s authors proposed that certain drugs increase the number of so-called ACE2 receptors on the surfaces of cells.

The coronavirus uses these receptors to infect cells, the authors noted, and so in theory patients taking the drugs might be more vulnerable to the virus. One of the drugs was ibuprofen.

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But there was no research to back up the contention. “No data,” said Dr. Michele Barry, director of the Center for Innovation in Global Health at Stanford University. There is no reason to think that infected patients should avoid temporary use of ibuprofen, she added.

“It’s all anecdote, and fake news off the anecdotes,” said Dr. Garret FitzGerald, chair of the department of pharmacology at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. “That’s the world we are living in.”


“Until there is evidence, there is no reason at all to be issuing public health guidance” about Nsaids and the coronavirus, he added.

There are reasons to worry about long-term, heavy use of Nsaids, which have been linked an increased risk of kidney damage in some patients. People taking blood thinners also should avoid Nsaids.

But for infectious disease specialists, the greater concern is that when Nsaids and acetaminophen reduce fever, patients may be more comfortable but their lower temperatures can short-circuit the body’s main defense against infection.

Studies have found that if people infected with a variety of viruses and other microorganisms bring their fevers down, with Nsaids or with acetaminophen, their symptoms may last longer and they continue to shed virus for a longer time — meaning they may be contagious for longer periods.

“Everything that walks, flies, crawls or swims on the face of this earth makes fever,” said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease expert at the University of Pennsylvania and Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. Even lizards, he added, which crawl to the top of rocks and sun themselves when they are ill to bring their temperatures up.

The immune system works better when the body’s temperature is higher, enabling it to more efficiently kill viruses and bacteria. Dozens of studies — in animals, reptiles and humans — have found that fever is beneficial in fighting infections.

But there is a trade-off. For every 1 degree centigrade that the body’s temperature rises, the metabolic rate increases by 12 percent. “We don’t want to pay that metabolic price when we don’t have to, so we only make a higher temperature when we need it,” Dr. Offit said.


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WHO Now Officially Recommends to Avoid Taking Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms

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WHO Now Officially Recommends to Avoid Taking Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms

AFP
17 MARCH 2020
The World Health Organization recommended Tuesday that people suffering COVID-19 symptoms avoid taking ibuprofen, after French officials warned that anti-inflammatory drugs could worsen effects of the virus.

The warning by French Health Minister Veran followed a recent study in The Lancet medical journal that hypothesised that an enzyme boosted by anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen could facilitate and worsen COVID-19 infections.

Asked about the study, WHO spokesman Christian Lindmeier told reporters in Geneva the UN health agency's experts were "looking into this to give further guidance."

"In the meantime, we recommend using rather paracetamol, and do not use ibuprofen as a self-medication. That's important," he said.

He added that if ibuprofen had been "prescribed by the healthcare professionals, then, of course, that's up to them."

His comments came after Veran sent a tweet cautioning that the use of ibuprofen and similar anti-inflammatory drugs could be "an aggravating factor" in COVID-19 infections.

"In the case of fever, take paracetamol," he wrote.

The French minister stressed that patients already being treated with anti-inflammatory drugs should ask advice from their doctor.

Paracetamol must be taken strictly according to the recommended dose, because too much of it can damage the liver.

The COVID-19 pandemic, which has infected around 190,000 people worldwide and killed more than 7,800, causes mild symptoms in most people, but can result in pneumonia and in some cases severe illness that can lead to multiple organ failure.
 
  • #962
… snipped ... I will add that I also use a disinfecting wipe on my purse (not leather) because it goes a lot of places...or used to before I started staying home. :)

I just heard on the news that the Coronavirus lives on plastic and steel the longest.

I wipe down that kids seat section of the grocery cart thoroughly, but it never feels clean enough when you think of :eek: diaper leaks. I do sometimes put my purse there, or even a food product, but it is disgusting when you think about it. Yes, you're right, you have to wipe down your purse often.
 
  • #963
So, out of curiosity I’ve been checking my yoga website to see if people are still going. It was packed up until yesterday but I see today they’ve cancelled all classes.

My big worry right now is getting food delivered in the future. Delivery slots are already overrun at over a week out in my area, and that’s just right now. I imagine later it will be much worse moo.

—-

So, when is Trump going to send us our checks? Lol. A couple weeks?

Show me the money!!

Actually, as an educator, techie, etc. I’m grateful to be able to work online. Many don’t have this opportunity.

You guys should see the jobs being posted - sooo many remote medical jobs—-and wild job postings I’ve never seen before, Homeland Security jobs, military...there’s actually a flood of new jobs advertising as “coronavirus free” work environments, “social distancing”...So, to those losing your jobs, don’t give up. See how you can cater your experience and education to be adaptable in a remote environment. Necessity is the mother of invention. There are a lot of people that need help right now remotely. Try to be creative and optimistic.

I saw one job where you monitor patients online...Wild...there’s some really crazy jobs being posted which are very obviously specifically related to CV.

I also noticed there are tons of people urgently hiring in their non-remote environments, I’m assuming because so many people have quit. This is sad and I don’t know how they will survive when they can’t have employees (and customers) show up due to lockdowns, etc.

This is all so crazy on so many levels it’s hard to comprehend.

I’m worried this is going to last a lot longer than a few months. I’m afraid of waves, flare ups, “back flow”, etc. even IF and when we can get this under control.
 
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  • #964
When a vaccine for the Coronavirus is developed, will anti-vaxxers not allow their children to be vaccinated? Especially since children are the least affected by the virus?

It doesn’t seem to be affecting children at all, although
researchers analyzed data from more than 1,500 people in Shenzhen, and found that children potentially exposed to the virus were just as likely to become infected as adults were, according to Nature News.

Regardless of age, about 7% to 8% of contacts of COVID-19 cases later tested positive for the virus.

Still, when children become infected, they seem less likely to develop severe disease, Live Science previously reported. But they can and will infect you.

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  • #965
Ugh...I have chest pain anxiety. I know we are in for the long haul and I must figure out a way to handle this better. It is just so isolating.


For you and anyone else who might need to calm and relax. There is a longer version of this music but I don't know if it can still be found or downloaded. It has got me and many of my friends through so many extremely difficult times in life.

 
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  • #967
Another day I stayed home is coming to an end. I'm doing my part sitting on my behind. Good-Night Friends.
 
  • #968
NY -
New York City’s coronavirus toll rises to 10 deaths, 923 confirmed cases: Mayor de Blasio

New York City’s coronavirus toll rises to 10 deaths, 923 confirmed cases: Mayor de Blasio

Latest coronavirus updates: Click here for our roundup of the most important developments from NYC and around the world.

Mayor de Blasio sounded a dire tone while announcing a grim rise in the coronavirus’ toll on New York City: 10 deaths and 923 total confirmed cases as of Tuesday night, up three fatalities and more than 100 cases from just hours earlier.

“It’s unbelievable how rapidly this crisis is growing right now,” the mayor said on MSNBC.

After a day of taking blows from Gov. Cuomo — who tried to shoot down de Blasio’s suggestion the city needs a stay-at-home order along the lines of the one in San Francisco — Hizzoner called for unity with Albany.


 
  • #969
NY -
New York City’s coronavirus toll rises to 10 deaths, 923 confirmed cases: Mayor de Blasio

New York City’s coronavirus toll rises to 10 deaths, 923 confirmed cases: Mayor de Blasio

Latest coronavirus updates: Click here for our roundup of the most important developments from NYC and around the world.

Mayor de Blasio sounded a dire tone while announcing a grim rise in the coronavirus’ toll on New York City: 10 deaths and 923 total confirmed cases as of Tuesday night, up three fatalities and more than 100 cases from just hours earlier.

“It’s unbelievable how rapidly this crisis is growing right now,” the mayor said on MSNBC.

After a day of taking blows from Gov. Cuomo — who tried to shoot down de Blasio’s suggestion the city needs a stay-at-home order along the lines of the one in San Francisco — Hizzoner called for unity with Albany.


 
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  • #971
Important reminder to pick up your doggies’ heartguard and other pet medications.

( waves @Snoods - how is going down in Houston? )
*waves and blows kisses* I’m actually about 50 miles north of Houston, but all is well for me so far.

But...My son’s booming business is tanking, oil field related, and they had just put money on their first house that they will now lose earnest money on, since now they don’t think it would be wise to buy it. They have no idea what the future holds.
 
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  • #973
Hong Kong - Update on dog diagnosed with COVID19

Not sure what to make of this story of dog diagnosed with COVID19 dying in Hong Kong. Will there be any change to CDC and Vet Association guidance on pets and animals?

First ever dog to catch coronavirus DIES after it was declared disease-free in Hong Kong | Daily Mail Online
The poor little thing was 17 years old and traumatized during quarantine. Owner did not allow an autopsy.

The dog tested weak positive and then tested negative TWICE. No evidence of a dog transmitting the disease ever.

Stop click-baiting, DM.
 
  • #974
Hong Kong - Update on dog diagnosed with COVID19

Not sure what to make of this story of dog diagnosed with COVID19 dying in Hong Kong. Will there be any change to CDC and Vet Association guidance on pets and animals?

First ever dog to catch coronavirus DIES after it was declared disease-free in Hong Kong | Daily Mail Online

Oh God. I can’t look at the article. Is it the Pomeranian?

That poor dog probably died of stress after being quarantined and tested on for weeks. :( :(

Moo

Ugh
 
  • #975
Well, it was 17... I would imagine quarantine was stressful in it too.
Having trouble buying that whole story !
Moo
Yes. We don’t need to encourage any more people brutally killing their pets like in China because of DM’s irresponsible reporting.

@margarita25 Yes, it was the tiny, sweet Pomeranian.
 
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  • #976
This is a weird random question—

I’m taking care of my recycling now (at night so as to avoid neighbors...I’m avoiding some of them after discussions from a distance after them not respecting social distancing and hearing them complain complain me me I can’t handle isolation bla bla)

Anyway, re: the aspect of potential surface transmission, I wonder how this may affect recycling plants and their processes.

Do they really still want my beer cans? ;)
 
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  • #977
Some updated guidance on COVID19's ability to survive on surfaces:

Rocky Mountain Labs research shows coronavirus lives for days on surfaces

MISSOULA, Mont. — Newly released research findings from Rocky Mountain Laboratories in Hamilton show the virus that causes COVID-19 can live anywhere from several hours to three days in the air and on surfaces.

Scientists found the virus is stable as long as two to three days on plastic and stainless steel surfaces.

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The following is a press release from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases:

The virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is stable for several hours to days in aerosols and on surfaces, according to a new study from National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University scientists in The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air and after touching contaminated objects. The study information was widely shared during the past two weeks after the researchers placed the contents on a preprint server to quickly share their data with colleagues.

The NIH scientists, from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ Montana facility at Rocky Mountain Laboratories, compared how the environment affects SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV-1, which causes SARS. SARS-CoV-1, like its successor now circulating across the globe, emerged from China and infected more than 8,000 people in 2002 and 2003. SARS-CoV-1 was eradicated by intensive contact tracing and case isolation measures and no cases have been detected since 2004. SARS-CoV-1 is the human coronavirus most closely related to SARS-CoV-2. In the stability study the two viruses behaved similarly, which unfortunately fails to explain why COVID-19 has become a much larger outbreak.
 
  • #978
No mom and kid bashing.
Mom's with teenagers and little kids by the dozens (24+) hanging around the entrance to a gas/snack shop more loitering than anything, with 2 police cars.
- seen from a red light from my car.
Probably up to no good.
I'm guessing the mom's were called to come get teens.
(I may have said out and about shopping, but I wasn't telling the whole story.)
I was trying to minimize it.
If you knew that area you'd understand.
IMHO
 
  • #979
Here's an interesting article about handwashing and its history. The knowledge why it's so important to wash you hands in quite new in human history, just began in the end of the 19th century, with the discovery of bacteria, virus and other germs. Although Ignaz Semmelweis had discovered the benefits of clean hands in the 1840ies to get the number of childbed fever down at the hospital where he worked, it took a couple of decades for handwashing to become a must for doctors before treating patients, and a few decades more for the general public to realise the benefits of handwashing. Keep it clean: The surprising 130-year history of handwashing
 
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