Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #31

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The question is, are those asymptomatic hosts going to be asymptomatic, and not get any symptoms, or are they pre-symptomatic spreaders? It seems that many who caught the virus, did it from someone who hadn't got any symptoms yet, that it's more virulent before someone is ill than maybe other viruses are. Asymptomatic people without coronavirus symptoms might be driving the spread more than we realized - CNN

IMO we are waiting on a volume of antibody tests to find this out. And its a gamechanger. That will show how many people the virus passes through without symptoms. If we find out for example that places like South Korea have effectively achieved crowd immunity already then there's roadmap to get to the other side of this and that certainty and confidence will get the economic wheels spinning once more. The other end of the scale where e.g. South Korea has minimal proof of antibodies in the asymptomatic, that would be frankly horrific and you'd be looking at distancing measures until vaccine.

Coronavirus: UK plans to buy antibody tests which may be 'gamechanger' in fighting COVID-19 spread
 
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California, Ohio and Illinois release inmates to decrease the prison population amid coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

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That sounds ominous. I couldn't figure out why citizens have been rushing to gun stores to buy arms and ammunition. I guess they expect lawless times ahead.
 
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Australian man is the first death of Covid-19 on Iceland. The 36-year-old tourist had been diagnosed with the virus, but his symptoms were not typical of Covid-19.

Iceland has nearly 4,000 in quarantine, and 330 confirmed cases. Seven currently hospitalised, and nine recovered.
Australian man, 36, diagnosed with coronavirus dies in Iceland
 
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This is soooo true. Quiet teachers make for quiet classes even at younger ages provided that teacher can control the room.

Yes, controlling the room is the key to quiet teaching. And it doesn’t have to be overbearing as long as the kids know you mean business but also care about them. Online teaching won’t require that kind of interaction, so I think it will be much harder...a teacher won’t be able to gauge whether the kids are understanding what’s being taught. I don’t know anything about how it works, so I could be mistaken. This is such a huge disruption in what is normal, but maybe some good will come out of it. I’m just glad my husband has been retired for 20 years! :D
 
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Yikes, anyone know what that stuff is they’re spraying?
 
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have you disinfected all of your personal belongings yet, lol. I seem unable to stop myself.

I put a bottle of Listerine in my car, our local news interviewed a dentist, he’s making patients rinse with mouthwash before he sees them. I figure I might as well rinse if I’m out, hopefully kill any germs that enter my mouth.
I also put OLAY facial wipes in my car, so not only can I wash my hands, but I can scrub my face after leaving any public place.

Have I disinfected all of my personal belongings? No, but I do carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer in my pocket when I go out.
 
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Australian man is the first death of Covid-19 on Iceland. The 36-year-old tourist had been diagnosed with the virus, but his symptoms were not typical of Covid-19.

Iceland has nearly 4,000 in quarantine, and 330 confirmed cases. Seven currently hospitalised, and nine recovered.
Australian man, 36, diagnosed with coronavirus dies in Iceland


“While he was found to be infected with the coronavirus, it is unlikely to have been the cause of his death,”
 
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Surely that’s because more tests are being done? The figures re tests and cases are skewed. I think the death figures are a more accurate representation of what’s going on.

My thoughts exactly, how many of that 2000 were infected a week ago?

How many thousands are currently infected and not tested?

How many are infected and are asymptomatic and will recover while being asymptomatic and never know they ever had it?
 
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My thoughts exactly, how many of that 2000 were infected a week ago?

How many thousands are currently infected and not tested?

How many are infected and are asymptomatic and will recover while being asymptomatic and never know they ever had it?

Exactly. A better measure is how many are critically ill or passed away. The rest of the numbers are fairly pointless.
 
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Meanwhile, in the U.K. have you seen the list of “key workers”?! I estimate this means 40% ish of kids are still eligible to go to school, which rather defeats the bloody point of shutting the schools. What a joke.
 
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This is so difficult for most of our population, and some people are selfishly making it worse for others.

I’m here on Maui, where we will begin lock down tomorrow morning. We’ve already been encouraged the last week to not go out except For essentials,, but tomorrow it will be the law. I’ve noticed that our small local grocery stores have very few people, the non-tourist areas have very little traffic, and people are keeping their distance while shopping. Our schools are closed, our libraries are closed, even our county parks are closed.... the only thing open to residents is our county beaches. All of the local areas are very very quiet, everyone I know is at home, which tells me that our local residents are taking this seriously. (Yeah!)

BUT, our local government has NOT shut down restaurants, tourist targeted activity Businesses and nonessential retail, it’s been on a voluntary basis so some of our establishments have remained open. Why you may ask? the Almighty Tourist dollar.

Yesterday many local people commented that they had seen one of our shopping areas along the beach fully packed with people, two different restaurants had lines out the door, the whale watch boats were full, and many tourists packed on to the beach. (these are reports from local residents who have no choice but to go to work in essential jobs and observed all of this). There were demonstrations yesterday and today at the airport of local people wanting visitors to stop coming. Our governor put out a plea 2 days ago for vacationers to not come for 30 days.

Yet they continue to come. Yesterday we had 16 cases, today 26. All but two of the cases to my knowledge are tourists and not residents of our state. Being on an island, we have less resources than most places on the mainland... no trucks to deliver goods, limited medical supplies and hospital beds, and we STILL have people bringing their infections & viruses from all over the globe.

There was one article in the local news where a couple was interviewed, where they stated they were so happy they got $197 last minute tickets ... And they went on to say that they originally had tickets for Tahiti but because Tahiti is doing a 14 day quarantine and Hawaii does not have any restrictions, they came here instead. Honolulu airport has very limited screening for incoming flights, but the outer islands including Maui do not have any. The tourists are being allowed to frolic and play on the beaches, go to restaurants etc while all the local residents stay home, essentially under ”lockdown”.

My neighbor, (who probably won’t be having many hours soon because he works for a car rental company), told me when he was at work two days ago there were tourists that were bragging that they got such cheap tickets that they decided if they have to be stuck somewhere and/or quarantined, they’d rather do it here than where they’re from.

The local people are begging our government to establish a quarantine. I sent emails to our Mayor, our head of the department of transportation, & to the White House.

Are we angry? Yes

We rely on visitors and therefore we usually welcome them with open arms, but not at this time. It is not the time for vacations . Not only will our local businesses suffer from this epidemic, but it will decimate our tourist industry, yet stopping the flow of visitors to our islands is essential, Even if it cost us jobs... better to lose jobs than lives. We need to, like everywhere else, contain the spread, get our people and our economy healthy, and then we will welcome you all back here with open arms & Aloha.

please, if you know anyone that is planning to come visit please tell them DO NOT COME. We love you but we don’t want you here right now.

BTW, woke up this morning with a headache, stuffy nose and generally feeling not very well. Hoping it’s just allergies. My son is not feeling well, and he is an essential worker, LE. In the past week he’s had to fly inter Island twice for business, and has been to the emergency room for police business twice. Because of his high exposure, I can’t have contact with him or my grandkids. My daughter has lupus, I haven’t seen her for over a week. We left some food for her on her porch the other day, and thankfully she has a supportive husband. I live alone and I’m having to stay away from all of my family, which is pretty hard. But I’m preaching to the choir because many of you are in the same boat.

thanks for letting me rant, everyone stay healthy and sane, and as always....


JMO
I hope you are feeling better today. Please let us know.

It’s hard to believe your gov’t hasn’t shut down tourist travel. I’m in CO. It’s spring break, the two busiest ski weeks of the year and our Governor shut down all the ski resorts. Vail, Breckinridge, Aspen — no skiing at all. Vail and at least one other resort released all their employees and won’t open again till the fall. Casinos are closed. All restaurants, bars, theatres are closed.

Las Vegas shut down casinos. NYC closed broadway. Disney World is closed. The economic impact in other communities is huge too. We have 100,000’s people in Denver Metro alone who have lost their job or aren’t working until further notice. Why does your Governor think Hawaii is so special? Those visitors are going to get the virus there and bring it back home wherever home is. Everyone has to isolate or this isn’t going to work.
 
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The 500 million N95 air-filtering respirator masks President Donald Trump said the federal government ordered could take up to 18 months to be delivered, according to the grant application.

There has been a shortage of the masks, and health-care workers are being told to reuse them.

The government is expecting the masks to be delivered incrementally, according to the application, but will allow those deliveries to occur over 18 months. Manufacturers in China aren’t able to fulfill the request.

Health & Human Services Secretary Alex Azar could direct companies to produce and distribute the masks under an executive order signed Wednesday, but Trump said it would be used for a “worst-case scenario” and hopefully wouldn’t be needed.

Trump’s 500 Million Respirators Could Take 18 Months to Deliver
Hello! Seriously? Maybe this isn’t worst case scenario, but by the time we know it’s worst case scenario it will be too late. When the powers that be decide it’s WCS and finally push the button, PPE supplies and medical eqpt isn’t going to immediately be beamed across the country. Any 12 year old knows this.

The best explanation IMO is they know they can’t produce and distribute it quickly enough and don’t want to be embarrassed. Ir they still have their heads in the sand.
 
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have you disinfected all of your personal belongings yet, lol. I seem unable to stop myself.

I put a bottle of Listerine in my car, our local news interviewed a dentist, he’s making patients rinse with mouthwash before he sees them. I figure I might as well rinse if I’m out, hopefully kill any germs that enter my mouth.
I also put OLAY facial wipes in my car, so not only can I wash my hands, but I can scrub my face after leaving any public place.
@Trudie
No. I am so sorry that you and others are so upset. I have read several of your posts and you just don't seem to be yourself. virtual hugs :)
 
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What will happen to refugees and those living in areas of crisis when the corona virus hits?
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It’s really scary for the homeless population too. In Denver Homeless shelters are even more crowded now because places where they usually hang out like the library are closed. And we got hit w/a spring snow storm yesterday so they couldn’t camp outside. There’s no social separation in the shelter, not for the homeless or the employees. And when it warms up these people will go out to the streets, w/many of them likely to be infected.
 
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