Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #38

[Really?]

I think I am going to back off watching the number of cases. I already have depression issues and I feel like I am sinking back into the black hole.

Today, I did not take my pups for their daily walk, swimming in the creek and car ride because the black hole was pulling me in. It was a gorgeous day , 80 degrees and Sunny.

Hey Kensie........give your pups a kiss for me......they don’t mind if you didn’t take them out today.......they only want to love you.

Wish I had a pup to kiss.

 

[MyBelle]

That's great because the initial study had 26 participants and the patients in the placebo group reported feeling better as well. (Too small a sample group). It needs more testing to keep people safe. DH is a physician and we read over and discussed the study last night. I wanted to pick his brain. He will not prescribe off-label drugs because there's tremendous liability.
Update, some are prescribing on a compassionate use basis. However, remains off-label. The manufacturer is pushing for an expanded access program. MOO.

BBM. What kind of liability? Risk of a lawsuit?

Yes, it is off label. It is still a legal drug and it is up to the patient and doctor to decide. If my loved one was in the ICU and on a ventilator, I wouldn't hesitate to agree. It is a generic drug with multiple manufacturers.

JMO

In a study published last month in Nature, authors wrote that “chloroquine is a cheap and a safe drug that has been used for more than 70 years and, therefore, it is potentially clinically applicable against the 2019-nCoV.”


While there’s certainly more to learn about the potential therapy, chloroquine is just one of several drugs being explored to fight the novel coronavirus pandemic.
Bayer donates millions of tablets of chloroquine to help in COVID-19 fight

 

[10ofRods]

True, but did they die from the meds?

From my understanding, they are giving it to patients who are already severely ill, and having difficulty breathing.

How would anyone know? Which is the point. Many drugs save one group of people and kill another. Like penicillin.

I wouldn't want to be responsible for making that decision for someone else. Many patients who are severely ill and having difficulty breathing are surviving without that drug.

If a large group of people in one city could be (all) given the drug under the same clinical conditions (that takes some definition), then in another city of same size, no one got the drug (I'm sure we could find one), that would help sort it out.

In those places where people survived (after the drug), I'd like to see the mortality rates from the same hospital for people who also got the drug. If it is the case that no one died after receiving that drug, that would be quite a recommendation even given its lack of trials. But if that were the case, then the doctors involved would (I believe) be pre-publishing the results all over the place. Writing letters to journals. Having pressers.

I find it hard to believe that all people who have been giving the anti-malaria drug have lived and the only way we know about that is basically through SM. Instead, there are some people who died and it is their conditions, allergies, ages, etc. that we need to know before we give the drug to everyone.

 

[10ofRods]

Check it out! How long will it take everyone to understand that this needs to be taken very seriously?

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 594,791 Cases and 27,255 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Good to see that 95% of cases are mild.

 

[Trudie]

@otto everyone will never be on the same page. I notice a lot of people twist facts to suit their needs & to hell with directives, and everyone else. Jmo

 

[otto]

Hey Kensie........give your pups a kiss for me......they don’t mind if you didn’t take them out today.......they only want to love you.

Wish I had a pup to kiss.

I put my 6 month old pup out to play and she discovered that she loves mud puddles. Standard poodle, due for her 6 month clip - which is not an essential service - was a giant mud ball. Then she discovered the bath tub. What a mess!

 

[MyBelle]

As long as people who already have Rx's for conditions that depend on these drugs, there's no problem. Until we run out. It would be nice to have some idea which group of people would benefit from any drug in short supply (and soon, many of them will be in short supply).

I do believe some nations who have had the ability to test way more people, per capita, are starting some drug trials.

Where do you get the idea the drug is in short supply? Days ago, manufacturers said they were stepping up production.

Industry ups chloroquine production, donates millions of doses

 

[otto]

@otto everyone will never be on the same page. I notice a lot of people twist facts to suit their needs & to hell with directives, and everyone else. Jmo

Our local news had mixed messages. On the one hand, everything is closed except essential services and people are told to stay indoors except for necessary errands and short walks, and on the other hand we're told that some streets will be closed so everyone can have a bit of a street festival walk. Every time people mess up, the law becomes stricter.

 

[KALI]

I would really appreciate a link for this. I'm interested in learning more please.

"Ashes to ashes for Wuhan's official death toll

But as images of thousands of cremation urns flooded social media, many began to question the official government narrative, which puts Wuhan's coronavirus death toll at just 2,535."

 

[Lilibet]

My dear nurse friend is on the front lines here.

According to an internal document verified by numerous sources with Asante, the health system has opened the Ashland Infection Control, Assessment and Response (ICAR) facility for COVID-19 patients with mild to moderate symptoms who require hospitalization.

COVID-19 isolation unit activated at Ashland Community Hospital - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2

 

[Recidivist]

Maybe we should go back to fighting about bread.

 

[jjenny]

Exactly. Like the guy that told his family good-bye. When they let him use it even though it wasn't approved, he woke up the next morning very glad to be alive. He said it was a miraculous recovery from absolute death. Why would he lie? There are people that are absolutely desperate. Isn't a possible side effect better than death?

That guy could have woke up very glad to be alive even if he wasn't given the drugs-we have no idea if the drugs made a difference for him or not. You absolutely can not determine by what one patient experienced if the drug is working or not. You need to compare a large number of patients taking the drug to the large number of patients not taking it, to make any conclusions.

 

[otto]

How would anyone know? Which is the point. Many drugs save one group of people and kill another. Like penicillin.

I wouldn't want to be responsible for making that decision for someone else. Many patients who are severely ill and having difficulty breathing are surviving without that drug.

If a large group of people in one city could be (all) given the drug under the same clinical conditions (that takes some definition), then in another city of same size, no one got the drug (I'm sure we could find one), that would help sort it out.

In those places where people survived (after the drug), I'd like to see the mortality rates from the same hospital for people who also got the drug. If it is the case that no one died after receiving that drug, that would be quite a recommendation even given its lack of trials. But if that were the case, then the doctors involved would (I believe) be pre-publishing the results all over the place. Writing letters to journals. Having pressers.

I find it hard to believe that all people who have been giving the anti-malaria drug have lived and the only way we know about that is basically through SM. Instead, there are some people who died and it is their conditions, allergies, ages, etc. that we need to know before we give the drug to everyone.

Absolutely. Anyone who is taking untested drugs is playing with their health and taking the role of guinea pig while researchers test theories. If someone wants to volunteer to test a drug, they should be properly compensated prior to the start of the trial.

 

[KALI]

So tonight, I'm making a new recipe. Cheesy, potato, ham, bacon and corn soup with green chilies.
If it's great, I'll share the recipe. ;-)

 

[otto]

Good to see that 95% of cases are mild.

I think its more like 80%, but we'll know more as time goes on. In China, 20% were hospitalized.

 

[Lilibet]

OREGON

Now 12 deaths, 414 cases.

Oregon coronavirus cases rise to 414, death toll reaches 12 statewide

 

[Kensie]

Hey Kensie........give your pups a kiss for me......they don’t mind if you didn’t take them out today.......they only want to love you.

Wish I had a pup to kiss.

Gave Becky, Tony, Waylon and Shep all kisses from you. All my pups are rescued dogs. Tony came from Hurricane Katrina - got him in 2005 , he was about 1 1/2 years old and still going strong. Becky came from Columbia, TN and was fixing to be executed. She is such a loving pup. I love all my pups and they give me great joy.

Tomorrow at 4:30 CST, the pups will go on their 20 acre walk, swim in 2 creeks and take a car ride tour of 2 neighborhoods, They actually have people that wave at them. Gosh, thanks all, this has picked me up. Tomorrow , partly cloudy and 84 degrees. Sounds perfect.

 

[Bravo]

Will wave tomorrow Kensie from Ontario Canada while your on your puppy parade. We really need to lean on each other.

 

[jjenny]

Absolutely. Anyone who is taking untested drugs is playing with their health and taking the role of guinea pig while researchers test theories. If someone wants to volunteer to test a drug, they should be properly compensated prior to the start of the trial.

In this type of a situation, people are presumably desperate enough to try anything. I don't think they are thinking of compensation.

 

[Tadpole12]

So this is a serious tip from “30 days in the hole” over here.

Like I said a week ago, just because...it doesn’t mean we can’t still smile and dance.

Fire it up and dance. I demand.

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