Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #42

[Deerrun]

I feel sometimes like we as a whole (world) are losing our sense of humanity. We're grumbling about poverty stricken senior citizens. People trapped on cruise ships and I can't even with the names they're being called. Every. Single. Person. Matters. Jmo

I wholeheartedly agree we as a nation have lost our sense of humanity. My goodness, It seems all I hear is me me me gotta have more, worrying about what others are getting like it's taking away from you. I look at country's like India and how desperately poor millions live there it is eye opening and thought provoking. Every human being matters!

 

[gregjrichards]

What's the TRUE risk of dying from coronavirus if you are in hospital? NHS data shows 66% of patients hooked up to ventilators will succumb to the killer infection

Two-thirds of coronavirus patients in the UK who need to be hooked up to a ventilator will die from the illness, official NHS data suggests.

A report from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Center (ICNARC) found ventilated patients succumb to the virus 66.3 per cent of the time.

NHS data shows 66% of coronavirus patients hooked up to ventilators will die | Daily Mail Online

#StayHomeSaveLives

 

[IceIce9]

I know in Virginia it's hard to get unemployment for medical professionals. Requiring UI recipients to apply for two jobs per week. You have to report weekly, where applied, type job and how applied.

There's are always nursing jobs, for less money and less desirable conditions, but they are forced to apply. If they are made an offer, they must except.

A nurse may have worked for a hospital for 20 years and then forced to work in a nursing home for less money and benefits. Once another job is obtained the previous employer have no obligation to rehire.

Yup!!! Nurses get a bum rap....

I haven’t ever applied for unemployment until now except when I was a teenager and the restaurant where I worked closed down.

So I applied last week. I found out that in my state you don’t have to accept a position that pays less than you made at the job you were laid off from, for the first 8 weeks you receive unemployment.

After 8 weeks of unemployment you will have to accept a job that pays 90% or more of your last job. Then after 16 weeks you must accept a position that pays at least 80% of your last position.

But if your unemployment is temporary, due to Coronavirus, you don’t have to look for another job.

 

[CSIDreamer]

2 things.

We were talking about smoking a while back. Apparently, driving is my big trigger. Ive been laid off a couple of weeks now. Last night before bed, I realized I had smoked a grand total of 7 cigarettes all day. I had never put that one together. I drive from account to account. Yesterday, we got extended to the end of April. Goodness. I may be a non smoker by then.

I had to make a walmart run today for my mother. 27 minutes in and out which included a stop by the pharmacy, near jogging pace. There were plenty of cars out, but the store wasnt bad at all. No face mask, no scarf. If anyone got too close I just pulled my hoodie up to my eyes.

 

[Trudie]

Here’s a question:

If someone has 4 surgical masks, can’t they just hang one up (being careful not to touch the front) and leave it for three days, using the others, and rotating? Any germs would die in three days, no?

I would hope, and perhaps spraying them with Lysol?
A friend that owns a biker shop gave me a box of the large bandanas, all individually wrapped! I opened the box to discover they are all Rebel flag design. So anyone in KY that sees a tall skinny blonde hiding behind the Rebel flag, don’t shoot.

 

[Simply Southern]

Wow, KY eliminated the need to job search.

Virginia waved the one week waiting period.

I just checked the VEC and tbey have not waved the must look for work requirements.,

 

[10ofRods]

Here’s a question:

If someone has 4 surgical masks, can’t they just hang one up (being careful not to touch the front) and leave it for three days, using the others, and rotating? Any germs would die in three days, no?

Yes, pretty much - although a place in the sun would be even better. Stanford study shows 30 minutes in a 158F kitchen oven is better than an autoclave at sterilizing masks (they were doing the N95 masks though). For a surgical mask, the oven wouldn't work and sunshine would be a good alternative (or above a heater?)

Don't touch either side if you can help it. You can have other viruses besides CV19 and the inside of the mask is a perfect place to host them, as it gets proteins and moisture from your breath. If you do have CV19, the inside of the mask is not your friend.

Don't forget your sunglasses! Wraparound are best, still available on ebay, any type is better than none. Even regular sunglasses should help.

Personally, I think 72 hours is plenty for this kind of thing (as long as the general environment isn't also carrying CV19 around). Maybe hang them up outdoors? In the garage?

One doctor suggested a folded piece of tissue paper on the inside if you're just going to run a brief errand.

 

[Trudie]

But if your unemployment is temporary, due to Coronavirus, you don’t have to look for another job.

great! You can stay home and relax. Idk how any state expects anyone to job search when nothing is open.

 

[Trudie]

Eight employees at Annie Gunn's in Chesterfield have tested positive for COVID-19, the restaurant announced Monday.

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The restaurant has been closed since March 19 and management said none of the employees reported or experienced symptoms before then.

The restaurant said "extensive professional disinfecting" is being done.
Annie Gunn's using 'extensive professional disinfecting' after 8 employees test positive for COVID-19

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Michigan is way ahead of LA. Latest map Coronavirus map of the US: latest cases state by state

Michigan is more than twice the size of Louisiana. Louisiana has way more cases per capita than Michigan does.

 

[IceIce9]

great! You can stay home and relax. Idk how any state expects anyone to job search when nothing is open.

And it isn’t a good time to look for a new job anyway, who is thinking about interviewing and hiring now with everything else going on.

 

[Simply Southern]

I haven’t ever applied for unemployment until now except when I was a teenager and the restaurant where I worked closed down.

So I applied last week. I found out that in my state you don’t have to accept a position that pays less than you made at the job you were laid off from, for the first 8 weeks you receive unemployment.

After 8 weeks of unemployment you will have to accept a job that pays 90% or more of your last job. Then after 16 weeks you must accept a position that pays at least 80% of your last position.

But if your unemployment is temporary, due to Coronavirus, you don’t have to look for another job.

Indiana eliminated the requirement to job search if your unemployment is temporary due to Coronavirus.

Well, our governor is a little slow to react.

He's still not closed all non essential businesses, some but not all.

 

[Trudie]

Right, I know LA per capita is highest of any state (excluding NY). If the church buses continue to roll, it will worsen.

Michigan is more than twice the size of Louisiana. Louisiana has way more cases per capita than Michigan does.

 

[Trudie]

And it isn’t a good time to look for a new job anyway, who is thinking about interviewing and hiring now with everything else going on.

Where could one even go, a drive in fast food joint?

 

[IceIce9]

Michigan is more than twice the size of Louisiana. Louisiana has way more cases per capita than Michigan does.

New Orleans Mardi Gras should have been canceled.

 

[jjenny]

Here’s a question:

If someone has 4 surgical masks, can’t they just hang one up (being careful not to touch the front) and leave it for three days, using the others, and rotating? Any germs would die in three days, no?

Maybe. You can probably rotate your masks, and hanging the ones not in use in the air. Presumably not ideal, but corona virus going to die eventually.

"Peter Tsai, emeritus professor of the University of Tennessee and the inventor of the filter media used in N95 masks, provides his insights on how to re-use N95 masks during the COVID pandemic (Information and FAQs on the Performance, Protection, and Sterilization of Face Mask Materials | University of Tennessee Research Foundation). Drying masks that have not been directly soiled with hot air (70°C or 160° F for 30 minutes) or in room air for 3 days may kill any coronavirus and allows for re-use of the masks. Note: The CDC does not support the use of hot air (e.g., an oven) to dry and decontaminate N95 masks. It suggests that the dry air heating process may reduce the viral filtering capability of N95 masks (Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19))."
UPDATE: Potential Processes to Eliminate Coronavirus from N95 Masks - Anesthesia Patient Safety Foundation

 

[nye bevan]

Gonna be a circus...

Life Tabernacle Church hires Roy Moore.

Judge Roy Moore to hold press conference about pastor charged for holding services during stay-at-home order

Hide the youth choir.

 

[IceIce9]

Where could one even go, a drive in fast food joint?

Good point

 

[Darling136]

Need a list of suggested beverages?

Now i am curious what you would suggest

 

[10ofRods]

I feel sometimes like we as a whole (world) are losing our sense of humanity. We're grumbling about poverty stricken senior citizens. People trapped on cruise ships and I can't even with the names they're being called. Every. Single. Person. Matters. Jmo

While I agree with your ethics in principles, in real life, I do have more concern about losing doctors and nurses. Experienced nurses are absolutely essential to everyone's health and everyone else is going to die at MUCH higher rates if we lose them. We absolutely cannot put the health of every single individual above the health of our very limited cadre of medical professionals.

As nurses in non-essential positions are furloughed, I'm reading on their message boards that they are really ambivalent about moving to New York or New Jersey to offer help. Think about what that means for them. They have lost their income. They are almost always women with children or families they support. Many are single moms. How can they move to these other states? Why would they do this? They are so torn, their stress and angst is so great, it's very hard to hear about. Many of them are moving or at least strongly contemplating it. If they are in a city where they can get a job at the front lines, most do that first - risking their own life and the lives of their families. They are sleeping in their cars to avoid infecting their families.

So, yes, every life matters, but people who make foolish decisions challenge rational decision making. If 1 doctor can save 1000 lives over a month long period, we sacrifice her or him to help cruise patients (already infected, who made a decision not to social distance?)

Not fond of that model. Nor do I think others critical to saving lives should be sacrificed (policemen are transporting sick people in their cars; policemen are ill and dying; New York's crime rate is rising daily). Should policemen now be expected to walk through abandoned buildings where the homeless congregate (where they are also exposed to resistant TB - another huge problem for police health) in order to transport? Because EMT's are having to deal only with the most needy cases, people who need ambulance transport after self-quarantine. To me people who have done everything right and self-quarantined but still go into severe respiratory distress deserve an ambulance.

It's like everything else. People think that we should have every missing person treated the same way (we'd have to shut down every school and hospital to afford it, and the cost would basically be unlimited). Or that every crime, no manner how minor, should be investigated and reported. Great idea. But in most states, again, that would mean shifting budget away from other crucial social services. We can't raise taxes right now (except on the rich, I suppose).

California is one of the nation's wealthiest states, but a shift of just 1% of the budget away from education means larger class sizes for already overburdened schools. Teachers haven't gotten pay raises in years, most places. Teachers quit at a high rate, because conditions are awful. We buy our own supplies, no longer deductible for income tax purposes. I think we need education, as it is the more educated communities who are faring better - and manufacturing and sending resources to others.

There are tons of essential occupations and while equal compassion toward everyone is a great idea, by the time the peak hits in each city, each state, the beds will already be filled, some beds with people who are not as sick as people coming in.

What then? Compassion alone will not fix it. Triage is real, already, in Italy, Spain, France, UK, New York New Jersey, and elsewhere. I predict that we'll see many more young people die in places that don't grasp the problem early enough. That's because 40-50% of people in hospital beds are under 40 and without that supportive care, their chances of dying go way up - for 20% of them, they would almost certainly die as they need ventilators. They're the ones who are able to come off ventilators.

90 year olds can come off ventilators too - just at much, much lower rates. We're being asked locally to really think hard before requesting our elderly relatives go on ventilators (mine are all gone now, but I did have to face a similar problem with my dad - it was very hard, but fortunately, his advance directive was crystal clear and he had reiterated his wishes multiple times over many many years).

If it's left up to (compassionate) nurses and doctors, once a patient is in a bed, they are going to do absolutely everything possible to save them. Meanwhile people will be dying at home and on cots in tents.