Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #42

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No. SS is not enough to pay the bills.

SS was intended to keep you from starving, and keep a roof, however marginal, over your head.

Some folks work part-time, some work full-time. Some of us saved for decades.
If I retired early at age 62 - my social security check would be around $1,240.00 per month. A 401k is definitely needed to supplement and pay the basic bills.
So if you’ve been frugal and planned for years and suddenly within a few weeks, you’ve lost your job, no unemployment check, 401k decimated - and not old enough to draw SS - and when you do it’s not enough to survive - it’s just freakin depressing.
JMO
 
  • #563
No interruption in SS so far. But we're talking about 2019 for the filing. But now there's financial impact with not being able to shop, not being able to go to the doctor, and of course if that older person is sharing an apartment with a relative who has lost a job....
Also many SS recipients still work, and they may have lost that job or self employment.
And, they may be drawing from 401K's that suddenly are decimated.
And lower COLA now that the fed lowered interest rates.

BBM. That is what has happened to me. Watching the stock market take losses day after day.
 
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Imo. Most of these ship companies register their ships in other countries so they don't have to pay USA taxes. We should send the bills to those countries or, the countries of the citizens we evacuate and treat. Canada can surely pay for her citizens.

So, how long should they stay on the ship? a month? 2 month? 6 months? No one cares? Why not deal with the situation and get it over with? Yeah, of course take precautions, but you can't leave those people out there. Get them back to land, and go from there. They can shelter in place on land. What if someone has a different medical problem where they need to be on land?
 
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Tony Plohetski‏Verified account @tplohetski
BREAKING: Austin and Travis County officials announce 28 young people returning from a spring break trip to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, have tested positive for #coronavirus.

9:01 AM - 31 Mar 2020

Tony Plohetski‏Verified account @tplohetski
According to officials, about 70 people in their 20s got on a chartered plane for a spring break trip about a week and a half ago. Although they were not under a travel advisory at the time, people are still asked to limit travel to essential needs.

9:04 AM - 31 Mar 2020

Tony Plohetski‏Verified account @tplohetski
Four of the 28 patients had no symptoms of the virus, according to officials. All of the confirmed patients are self isolating at this time, authorities say.

9:04 AM - 31 Mar 2020

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Yes - do the math! Even the 4 (of 28) without symptoms exposed many more to the virus even before they boarded their flight home. :eek:

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During a meeting today, we heard that working from home in isolation for several months will permanently alter professional relationships - we peer into each other's homes with video conferencing software. I wonder if our physical isolation will change relationships on the internet as well.

I definitely prefer working from home and attending virtual meetings to being in a shared space with bored-manager overlourding and an absurd awareness of everybody's issues.

For myself, I tend to chat a lot with my friends online. For at least 15 years I've been a bit of a free spirit, free lancing, work from home type. I'm a part time employee with a home base and a small business owner. Possibly a bit different. I don't think I could be stuck with a bunch of people day in and day out. It changes you. Jmo
 
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So picklebot, have you been cooking all day?!?!

No, it was just an old fridge that has been on the decline for awhile. This wasn't from overstocking and wasn't really a surprise. The timing really sucks though.
 
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I had the same reaction from most of my doctors offices. In one doctor's office, my husband went for his appt., but I didn't and he said my wife stayed home because of what is going on, and the nurse actually, said, "why, what is going on." In this same office as of today, no one (nurses and doctor) are wearing masks or gloves. Wht is this about? I am mad, and stunned. Thanks, Katt
I had a different experience. I had been reading about the virus on here, and had to take my mom to a scheduled appt. I asked the Dr. about the virus, and he said that it was serious. That was all I needed to hear, I almost just grabbed my moms wheelchair and flew out of their. I brought her home, and began buying supplies.
 
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Are you doing more laundry now than a month ago? I know I am. I wash my towels and sheets everyday now. If I go out like I did earlier today, I wash those clothes. I never used to use hot water and now everything is washed in hot water and I hope that my jeans don't shrink too much. For the past 2 1/2 weeks of isolation, I have eaten non stop - all the good stuff - chips, cheez-its, ice cream, Edwards Chocolate cream pie, pop tarts - the all American foods.

I love my laundry room so doing laundry does not bother me. It is also my office for when I get phone calls from work.
 
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I'm not sure I would want my child to return to a school (scheduled to open in May, according to FL) that housed virus patients. As to churches, you don't see Joel Osteen volunteering Lakewood in Houston, do you?
Yeah, I received the message from my sons school today (Florida). I would be very surprised if they really did have them go back, and think it is just wishful thinking on their part. I have no plans to send my son back to school, and if they do re-open, will have him finish online.
 
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I have no idea how to read the situation. On the one hand, the economy could be a real mess and housing properties could fall to half of what they are today, but on the other hand when it's business as usual, everyone's salaries could be restored and property values could be the same as today.
We just listed a home, which is in probate. We have had about 4 showings in the last 2 weeks. I'm concerned about it too.
 
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I moved my law practice from NYC up to rural New England. We do everything remotely - down to electronic case filing in federal courts around the country. There are ways to do almost any professional/management job remotely now. We only set up an office up here because we wanted to be apart of the community. I have said for years this is the way to revitalize rural communities - get entrepreneurs to run businesses remotely. We bill our clients in NY and Boston and the money gets spent locally. You're bringing money into the community instead of just recirculating it.

I hope a lot of entrepreneur types use this time to think about how to move their businesses remotely. We can charge much lower rates not having to pay big-city rents while doing the exact same thing we were doing down there.

Do you have any thoughts about the futures real estate market? Will it be a similar trend to low oil prices trigger a recession and real estate tanks, or will it be different where countries suddenly cautiously come to life without the virus and salaries kick back to normal, real estate values remain the same?
 
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Ouch. Are people self isolating anyway?

Two weeks ago I told work that I am concerned about the virus and want to work from home. I was told no, and if you want to work from home, get a doctor's note. That was on Friday, March 13. The following Monday, everything changed. Everyone was told to work from home.

Regarding abortions, my daughter is a midwife in Canada with hospital privileges. There's nothing risky about performing an abortion or a birth. Put a mask on the woman having the abortion and the birthing mother, everyone can be safe.
 
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Are you doing more laundry now than a month ago? I know I am. I wash my towels and sheets everyday now. If I go out like I did earlier today, I wash those clothes. I never used to use hot water and now everything is washed in hot water and I hope that my jeans don't shrink too much. For the past 2 1/2 weeks of isolation, I have eaten non stop - all the good stuff - chips, cheez-its, ice cream, Edwards Chocolate cream pie, pop tarts - the all American foods.

I love my laundry room so doing laundry does not bother me. It is also my office for when I get phone calls from work.
Yes, and I saw it coming and ordered more detergent on Amazon a couple of weeks ago. It arrived today. I washed half the curtains the first day home.
 
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I wonder why MI is such a hot spot. I don't know much about MI. I know NY and NJ are heavily populated but is MI that heavily populated - I don't know.
 
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Yes, and I saw it coming and ordered more detergent on Amazon a couple of weeks ago. It arrived today. I washed half the curtains the first day home.

That is interesting, today while I was in Publix, the detergent isle was wiped out. I order my detergent from Amazon too. On a day last month, I was wanting to shop and I had been banned from clothes shopping so I ordered detergent from Amazon. My shopping addiction paid off.
 
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Imo. Most of these ship companies register their ships in other countries so they don't have to pay USA taxes. We should send the bills to those countries or, the countries of the citizens we evacuate and treat. Canada can surely pay for her citizens.

There's no bill to send. Since the beginning, the US has accepted passengers from sick ships and sent them home with no screening and no warning to the home country. First cases in Canada were cruise ship passengers who were passed through quarantine and sent home to share the virus. It was only two weeks later that health officials realized what had happened and told cruise passengers to self isolate. Then they told international passengers to self-isolate. Then they told everyone to self-isolate.
 
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