Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #42

[Trudie]

For example, I saw about 15 people playing soccer at a school near my house a couple days ago. When I ride my bike I see far too many neighbors standing within four feet or so of one another. I saw a group of about 7 ladies going on a walk together. Looked like a walking group.

I think this is the norm’ all over the USA. The biggest problem in my immediate area is kids in the stores. I don’t comprehend the lack of concern by parents. Their kids can contract Covid & possibly die. WTH is wrong with people?
I would not walk my dog in a park with an outbreak of Canine Parvo, and she’s been vaccinated. I would not ride my horses with horses from outside the US if they did not quarantine.

 

[gitana1]

Exactly as always.

We have a larger population than many of these countries plus we will windup testing many more people, imo.

Jmho

I hope we will test more but we aren’t at all at this point. If we did we would find that the stats are far different. As it is we have to look at these rates among people who are in contact with someone who has been confirmed to have the virus and those who need medical care. Not as among the total population who has had it.

But you know we are a big country and we aren’t cohesive at all. Plus we’re in crisis mode, just trying to get through. So right now it’s going to be super hard to test as many as we can.

However, I am hopeful that at a certain point, maybe July/August, we are going to start anti-body testing people and getting people back to work. It’s such a great solution to some of the issues this virus is causing. And it will also enable us to determine more accurate numbers.

But for now, we are getting better but still woefully under testing. (Or delayed testing).

Here’s an article about that from late February:

US isn't 'remotely prepared' to test for coronavirus, experts say | Live Science

Here’s now:
The United States leads in coronavirus cases, but not pandemic response

[URL="https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/609193/"]Private Labs Are Fueling a New Coronavirus Testing Crisis[/URL]





We’ve made some critical, preventable mistakes at all levels of government in every state, county and city. It’s been a mess. That’s costing us.

However, while I’m scared, I also feel positive. I feel positive about the ability of science to find ways to treat and prevent this disease and I have a lot of faith in humanity to come together to weather the storm. I just do.

I hope you’re doing well, precious friend! And your family.

 

[IceIce9]

Well, for those of us following this thread since mid-January, no. Everything we needed to know was known by then. Government officials, including health departments, have a duty to know more about public safety and health than websleuthers, IMO.

The alarm was sounded a long time ago. The main whistle blower worked super hard starting in December trying to warn the world. But few listened. And not just us. Same with Italy. The UK. Spain. Iran.

I think the only ones who did very well are Singapore and South Korea.

As to being spoon fed disaster news, an easy fix is avoiding news. That’s what I’ve been trying to do.

However, apparently this disaster news is still necessary for many to hear. Because I think the problem is that people can’t be trusted to follow the rules. And if things are minimized by government, they don’t understand why those rules are so crucial.

For example, I saw about 15 people playing soccer at a school near my house a couple days ago. When I ride my bike I see far too many neighbors standing within four feet or so of one another. I saw a group of about 7 ladies going on a walk together. Looked like a walking group.

My ex is working at a library and sees fellow employees wearing gloves but standing right next to each other, using a shared computer and then constantly touching their faces with those gloves hands. Which defeats the purpose of the gloves.

There’s too much of that continuing to go on and too much of that which we should’ve prevented with education and sounding the alarm a lot sooner.

I was shocked by mid-February to see that no one in court seemed to be taking this seriously. Everyone packed together in line to check in to the departments. People coughing without covering. Not hard but still. No hand sanitizer in site. The clerk taking papers from everyone without wearing gloves.

Meanwhile I was taking the stairs, making sure my clients weren’t sick and waiting until everyone had checked in before going into the department. All because of wensleuths. Because I had been reading here and people like @Henry2326 educated me by spoon feeding me disaster news.

Because I was not understanding this at first.

I have been following COVID-19 since thread #1, as have other WS members. I remember people early on pooh-poohing our fears that CV would be a problem in the US.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I needed this today, tysm! My 99 year old grandmother tested positive yesterday. It's terrifying. Though I told my mom, that if there is any 99 year old that can beat this, it's her!

I'm very sorry!

 

[Cool Cats]

some cruise lines were refusing to let people cancel and would not issue credit or refunds... so, $8,000; $10,000 x 2..... a lot to lose for some who might have planned
a honeymoon or anniversary...

I don't see how cruise ships can refuse to give money back because, at least from the USA, all cruise ships have cancelled their cruises and don't know when they can even reschedule.

I doubt there is any legal way they can keep people's money. If they do, they will "sink" their reputations and be accused of greed and taking advantage of the pandemic. This is what happened to the Atlantis cruise ship when they refused to cancel and give refunds.

Under pressure they cancelled but still haven't given refunds. They might try to force people to go on later cruises but even this could cause outrage and ruin their reputation. We will see.

Wrote the company: “All cruises have been cancelled through April 13 and thus our sailing on Celebrity Summit will not sail as planned March 21-28,2020. We will contact all booked guests by email with next steps regarding this cruise by Monday, March 16. Please do not contact our office until that time as we have no further information.”

Atlantis Events Cancels March 21 Gay Caribbean Cruise, Postpones Others Amid Coronavirus Crisis - Towleroad Gay News

Despite coronavirus fears, it’s business as usual for gay cruise

 

[gitana1]

I think this is the norm’ all over the USA. The biggest problem in my immediate area is kids in the stores. I don’t comprehend the lack of concern by parents. Their kids can contract Covid & possibly die. WTH is wrong with people?
I would not walk my dog in a park with an outbreak of Canine Parvo, and she’s been vaccinated. I would not ride my horses with horses from outside the US if they did not quarantine.

Its strange. I don’t understand. Stores aren’t all ensuring safety either, here in Orange County. Some do. Some don’t. We should only be letting in a certain number of people at a time and having tape on the ground to make sure people stand six feet apart while waiting in line. That’s not happening in too many stores.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I needed this today, tysm! My 99 year old grandmother tested positive yesterday. It's terrifying. Though I told my mom, that if there is any 99 year old that can beat this, it's her!

THIS is why every life matters. None of us should sit in judgment to decide who lives and who dies because of one's age.

 

[Trudie]

I needed this today, tysm! My 99 year old grandmother tested positive yesterday. It's terrifying. Though I told my mom, that if there is any 99 year old that can beat this, it's her!

I’m so sorry to hear this. Any idea how she contracted it?
Is she hospitalized? Best wishes.

 

[sallye818]

@beatrixpotter , This is one of those posts I wish I could like 1000x.

There are so many poor and impoverished people in this country with no retirement, who live paycheck to paycheck or SS check to SS check. They are people who have worked hard their entire lives but maybe never had the means to prepare or the knowledge to prepare. I wish people didn't begrudge them. So many people are so well off and yet still resent some poor person getting a little windfall.

Why does it bother these people so much? "You" might have savings, investments, a pension. Why resent the poor who always have barely enough. Barely enough to cover their minimal expenses forget excess. They can't even get their teeth fixed when they need it. This $1,200 isn't enough for one person to get a root canal or a crown where I live. It's a drop in the bucket. And it will barely last, certainly nothing compared to the actual need.

When I start to feel envy towards someone else I remember to count my blessings. I don't have a lot that others have. But I do have a lot. I have more than most of the world. I am blessed in many ways. We are entering a period of deep suffering for so many people the world over. Let's rejoice when others are able to rejoice and grieve for others when they grieve.

 

[katydid23]

Here’s a question:

If someone has 4 surgical masks, can’t they just hang one up (being careful not to touch the front) and leave it for three days, using the others, and rotating? Any germs would die in three days, no?

I hope so, because that has been my strategy.

I haven't reused any of my old ones yet, but I have hung them up in the sunlight, for 3 days, and then packed them away, in case we need them.

 

[IceIce9]

And all the other cities that had large crowds for Mardi Gras weekends.
(Pensacola, Galveston, etc)

The governor of Ohio took a lot of heat for canceling a large sporting event the same week as Mardi Gras. People were complaining that Mardi Gras hadn’t been canceled so why was this event in Ohio canceled?

But now compare the stats between Louisiana and Ohio. Ohio governor has been proactive and it shows.

 

[gitana1]

I needed this today, tysm! My 99 year old grandmother tested positive yesterday. It's terrifying. Though I told my mom, that if there is any 99 year old that can beat this, it's her!

Here’s more!:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ived-guam-i-can-get-through-this-bulls-t/amp/


90-year-old Kirkland woman survives coronavirus, reunites with family

103-year-old Iran woman survives coronavirus: report - France 24


https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...man-from-italy-recovers-from-coronavirus/amp/

Coronavirus: How two elderly men faced COVID-19 pandemic head-on

'I was not afraid': Swiss woman, 95, back home after surviving coronavirus

Grandmother, 95, becomes the oldest woman to recover from coronavirus in Italy | Metro News

Your grandmother is going to do it! She IS going to recover. God bless her.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Its strange. I don’t understand. Stores aren’t all ensuring safety either, here in Orange County. Some do. Some don’t. We should only be letting in a certain number of people at a time and having tape on the ground to make sure people stand six feet apart while waiting in line. That’s not happening in too many stores.

Southern indiana. I've never seen so much tape on floors in my life. Even dollar stores are taped up. Meanwhile, our cases continue to grow. I'm trying to trust in testing. Jmo

 

[Trudie]

We are having a huge issue with the box stores & their garden centers.
One small store attempted to limit patrons to ten, that went wayside when the first three patrons had 2 or more kids each. Then everyone else had to wait or go elsewhere.
It seems like child abuse, imo.

Its strange. I don’t understand. Stores aren’t all ensuring safety either, here in Orange County. Some do. Some don’t. We should only be letting in a certain number of people at a time and having tape on the ground to make sure people stand six feet apart while waiting in line. That’s not happening in too many stores.

 

[gitana1]

I have been following COVID-19 since thread #1, as have other WS members. I remember people early on pooh-poohing our fears that CV would be a problem in the US.

I was one. I felt like our health care system and government would contain it. Like they did Ebola.

Everyone here educated me though. I learned. Thanks to Websleuths.

 

[Kadoober]

I’m so sorry to hear this. Any idea how she contracted it?
Is she hospitalized? Best wishes.

She likely caught it from my aunt, who had gone over to take her supplies. It is a guess that perhaps my aunt got it from her husband, who has had no symptoms at all, but was in New York a few weeks back. But really, that's just a guess.

She is not in the hospital, fortunately so far her symptoms are mild. If her blood ox is consistently below 90, she has to go in.

Thank you all for your wishes!

 

[jjenny]

I was one. I felt like our health care system and government would contain it. Like they did Ebola.

Everyone here educated me though. I learned. Thanks to Websleuths.

Ebola is much more deadly but only becomes infectious after person develops symptoms. Covid becomes infectious even before person develops symptoms and some people never develop symptoms but still spread it around. Ebola was much easier to contain.

 

[gitana1]

We are having a huge issue with the box stores & their garden centers.
One small store attempted to limit patrons to ten, that went wayside when the first three patrons had 2 or more kids each. Then everyone else had to wait or go elsewhere.
It seems like child abuse, imo.

Sadly, little kids are a huge threat to me right now. I really wish people would leave them home during shopping. Little kids, bless their hearts, can’t control their coughing and sneezing. They don’t understand. I mean teens aren’t much better but they can be made to understand.

My biggest threats are families with small kids, teens and homeless people. When I bike ride or walk my dog I try to stay far away from all at this moment. Much farther than six feet. I’m paranoid due to my condition, so I fear that the wind can blow something onto my face from a distance. I don’t think that’s scientifically sound but I’m paranoid!

 

[NuttMegg]

I just saw this mentioned on Velshi
Opinion: The Way The U.S. Beat TB Could Be A Boon In Battling Coronavirus


So far I see leaders ignoring the fever reporting efforts of Kinsa Corp, I wish they would look into that. That methodology could help pinpoint communities with problems.
Maps Show Fevers Are Down Across the Country, a Sign Coronavirus Is Slowing
"Each day, 162,000 people use a Kinsa thermometer to take their temperature. Typically the company uses that data to track the spread of influenza. It recently adapted its software to monitor “atypical fever,” which doesn’t follow typical influenza patterns and is thought to correlate with the surge of COVID-19 cases."

 

[Trudie]

Deadly viruses, chickenpox outbreaks and mass cases of the runs: sometimes luxury cruise ship holidays are not the trips of a lifetime elderly passengers had hoped for.

Cruise-goers have fallen sick en masse in the past, their predicament on the high seas coming into sharp focus because the holidays can cost thousands of dollars and are often marketed as trips of a lifetime.


"Cruise ships are very prone to outbreaks of common cold and the vomiting virus," said John Oxford, professor of virology at Queen Mary University of London.

"Invariably the ships are overcrowded and with so many passengers, hygiene levels can slip."

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) logged eight outbreaks aboard cruise ships last year of the highly contagious norovirus, which causes vomiting and diarrhoea -- hardly the stuff of a dream holiday.

Measles, E. coli, chickenpox and salmonella poisoning have all broken out on cruises in recent years.
Floating Petri dishes? Coronavirus puts cruise industry in the dock - France 24
Moo cruise ships are nasty, imo. I will never set foot on one again. No way can anyone convince me they are sanitized properly during down time.