Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #45

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  • #681
What do you think about this? Have the crew been tested and has the 14 day quarantine passed yet?

I think testing is happening, and the crew are under 10 days isolation on the Ruby Princess at our Port Kembla (where the ship is allowed to anchor).

Seems that police have now raided the Ruby Princess looking for evidence relating to the fiasco of allowing all passengers to leave the ship weeks ago.



NSW police raid Ruby Princess to seize evidence and question crew about coronavirus scandal
The vessel is expected to remain at Port Kembla for 10 days while 1,040 crew members undergo medical assessments
NSW police raid Ruby Princess to seize evidence and question crew about coronavirus scandal
 
  • #682
OH! You reminded me - yes, I had conjunctivitis at the same time as my temperature spiked. And it wasn't a regular kind at all, the rims of my eyelids were so red that I was embarrassed about it when I went back to work (I actually dug out an eye pencil to cover it). I had a prescription already, so just used that. Mine was a steroid Rx for eyes.

We should be out in the streets demanding an antibody test - which would do more to fix the economic ails than any other measure, other than a vaccine or outright cure.

When was that? Just curious. This discussion is really interesting. It would be cool to find out a bunch of us already had it and are now immune, but I don't know when we'll be able to find out.
 
  • #683
When was that? Just curious. This discussion is really interesting. It would be cool to find out a bunch of us already had it and are now immune, but I don't know when we'll be able to find out.

This discussion really IS interesting.

Is there a chart where we can compare pneumonia and influenza for DecJan from this year vs last year and other years? Not that that’s definitive evidence or anything, just curious. I wonder if there was a spike in influenza and pneumonia in comparison to other years. Even if so, that’s not proof by any means but I sure do wonder.
 
  • #684
We had a similar experience in late December/early January with my college-aged daughter. We traveled to our vacation home in Montana in mid-December and within hours of our arrival, she became very ill (nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, slight fever, loss of sense of smell and taste). It hit her like a hammer. At first we thought she'd experienced food poisoning from something she ate on the road trip, but she had the fever which likely indicated something else. She was very sick like that for almost two weeks, surviving on Gatorade over ice the first few days (because she could not keep anything else down) and then chicken broth and dry toast the rest of the time until she started feeling better after a couple weeks.

She lost 13 lbs in the first four days and I took her to an urgent clinic the fifth. They tested blood and major organs and concluded she had a very bad virus that the doc said many had been experiencing in the area. I thought that odd since she became ill immediately upon our arrival and the last stop we had made on our trip was two and a half hours before arriving to the area. The doc prescribed anti-nausea medication which helped to substantially reduce the vomiting, although she still had no appetite for over a week after that.

Neither my husband nor I became ill, although we did experience frequent headaches at the time, which I attributed to stress over my daughter's condition. In addition to the frequent doses of Excedrin we were both taking, I did insist that we take a gram of Vitamin C each day to help our bodies fend off getting whatever infection she had. And, I was heavily disinfecting bathrooms, the kitchen, doorknobs, and light switches while my daughter was sick.

My daughter finally started feeling better on New Year's Eve and we traveled back home to Washington the next day. Although she still felt a little fragile after having been so sick, she returned to the university here in Seattle on January 6.

The end of that first week back at school, she started experiencing extreme fatigue, inability to concentrate - she described it as sometimes feeling "delirious," and what she described as "an elephant sitting on my chest" whenever she exerted herself (walking to/from classes from her nearby apt - a 15-20 minute walk). She had no cough and no sore throat. When my daughter reported her symptoms to me, I was concerned about pneumonia as a secondary infection after her having been sick in December. I picked her up and took her to an urgent care clinic again to check for pneumonia. They checked vitals (no fever, her oxygen level was fine), took blood for tests, did a finger prick blood test for anemia, and listened to her breathe, front and back, but did not do x-rays. Oddly, the nurse practitioner concluded that she may have suffered muscle tension by her study position upon returning to school and recommended that she do yoga exercises and continue to monitor her symptoms and to return for a chest x-ray if her symptoms did not improve. Over the next couple of weeks, she did the exercises and began to feel better and is fine now.

While at school, my daughter lives in a small studio apartment nearby campus that is almost exclusively occupied by international students from China, most of whom returned from winter break wearing masks whenever outside.

We also eagerly await the antibody test.

Wow. I know that my family members went to several provinces in China - they were not in Beijing, they were there on business and it was not in Beijing. I'm going to find out where that was, although I need to be diplomatic about this.

Husband is reminding me about his eye symptoms too.
 
  • #685
This discussion really IS interesting.

Is there a chart where we can compare pneumonia and influenza for DecJan from this year vs last year and other years? Not that that’s definitive evidence or anything, just curious. I wonder if there was a spike in influenza and pneumonia in comparison to other years. Even if so, that’s not proof by any means but I sure do wonder.
Very interesting for sure! And so it makes me wonder, if it were here in the US that early, what kept it on simmer instead of over boil like now?
 
  • #686
I have to go pick up my husbands medications and decided tomorrow is the day. It's been really hot here, but tomorrow is much cooler so I can wear a sweatshirt, my "mask" and long pants. So, have a list since the pharmacy is in the grocery store. I don't sleep well at all now..and even worse when I know I have to go out the next day. I'm hoping the store has what I need. It's a smaller store.
I nearly had a nervous breakdown yesterday, only exaggerating a bit. No internet for 2 1/2 days, and the repairman had to come to my house. It turns out that it was some error with the antenna on the hill, and it wasn't necessary AT ALL for him to spend 3 hours at my house.
Anyway, I moved the whole computer outfit out on the patio, I made him use a very old monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and when he was done I threw away the keyboard and mouse, and put the monitor out in a storage shed for a few months. Wiped down the modem, and other things with dilute clorox, and threw away the old painting clothes I used when I had to go out and talk to him. (Nice guy, it isn't his fault, he's got a mom in her 70's too)

LOL I wouldn't even let him in the house to use the bathroom, I made him go out about 60' behind my car in a corner of the lot. I left him a shovel, some paper, soap and water to clean up.
But finally they fixed the antenna!!
 
  • #687
Wanted: People who know a half century-old computer language so states can process unemployment claims - CNN

Wanted urgently: People who know a half century-old computer language so states can process unemployment claims

(CNN)On top of ventilators, face masks and health care workers, you can now add COBOL programmers to the list of what several states urgently need as they battle the coronavirus pandemic.

In New Jersey, Gov. Phil Murphy has put out a call for volunteers who know how to code the decades-old computer programming language called COBOL because many of the state's systems still run on older mainframes.
...
Having been in high technology for decades and decades, this is amazing to me to think that systems programming had not converted all the cobol files... just amazing..
 
  • #688
Bringing forward again, and will copy over to grocery thread:

“HOW TO DISINFECT GROCERIES

  • Sanitize a table before bringing groceries inside
  • Establish a dirty side of the table to place groceries that are coming into the house, and a clean side to place items after they’re sanitized
  • Use a household disinfectant sprayor wipe
  • Disinfect plastic, glass and metal packaging
  • Trash unnecessary and external packaging like cardboard boxes that have plastic bags inside (the plastic bags inside boxes should be OK without additional disinfecting)
  • Some items, such as bread or chips can be dumped directly into clean plastic containers without touching them - or just disinfect the packaging
  • Clean fruit and vegetables that are not bought in plastic bags by dumping them into soapy water, and then washing/scrubbing each piece for at least 20 seconds
  • Reusable grocery bags should be considered dirty after use; plastic bags should be thrown out
“This all seems a bit time consuming, but, in truth, these days people do have a bit more time on their hands," VanWingen said. “Let’s be methodical and be safe, and not take any chances.””

Michigan doctor says leave groceries outside for 3 days if possible, shows how to disinfect

ETA: This article has been amended here, post by @xtrain , thank you:

“I can't find the article now; however, earlier today I read that Dr. Van Wingen has been desperately trying to edit his video regarding the above. It is NOT recommended that veggies be cleaned in soapy water. Ingesting any soapy residue can be harmful. I copied this small bit of text from his YT Channel that's underneath the video:

"www.DrJeffVW.com
UPDATE: C.D.C. Recommends Americans Wear Cloth Masks in Public (April 3, 2020)
Correction: Rinse fruits and vegetables with water - no soap.
"”
 
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  • #689
Very interesting for sure! And so it makes me wonder, if it were here in the US that early, what kept it on simmer instead of over boil like now?

Certainly a big question.

ETA: Additionally, why weren’t there reports of health workers dying.

Or are there?

Maybe I shouldn’t bet my bottom dollar it was here in December.
 
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  • #690
I nearly had a nervous breakdown yesterday, only exaggerating a bit.
I think you did a great job. I'd have done the exact same thing.
 
  • #691
Very interesting for sure! And so it makes me wonder, if it were here in the US that early, what kept it on simmer instead of over boil like now?

Something to do with winter? Jmo

ETA that makes zero sense but I'll throw it against the wall.
 
  • #692
Earlier I wondered if it this would end up higher than flu season 2017-2018 of of 61K deaths.

Today the estimate dropped below the flu (slightly) but the trend is estimates keep dropping so it could end up even lower. That would be great.

Key coronavirus model revised downward, predicts 60K deaths in US by August (The Hill).

this constant measurement against the flu needs much more clarification. The ages, and comorbidities are also a great part of the flu deaths. Flu is usually just that final step.... This is not the same.
 
  • #693
That does raise an interesting situation, doesn't it? I would guess that the greatest international travel would be between China and CA. Do you know? So they never got tested back then, right? Are you saying that they have talked to their healthcare providers, about being tested for antibodies?
How hard is that anyway?

My daughter is in touch with someone who could order tests for her (actually, several people) daily. She and I are two peas in a pod when it comes to overthinking and over researching. She's been so overwhelmed at work (nurse but not in a hospital) that I don't think she has thought about it.
 
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Right - they were never tested. She is a nurse and although she works in a private practice, she saw lots of people with "colds" who had been traveling. Wait - now that I think about it, I KNOW who went to China - her brother in law and nephew! He got sick too, but not as bad as my daughter and husband. His wife also got it.

We have no viable antibody test available. Stanford has gotten one going, but not in mass production yet. I think they say 3-4 weeks as it's not the top priority right now.

So, if true, my granddaughter and nephew were in school right up until popping low temps. Yikes.

I'll see if my daughter can get Public Health to test her, if she gives them the travel connection. But does the regular test pick up antibodies? Or just live virus? I don't even know, since it wasn't personally relevant - yet.

i am so convinced...it is only antibodies and vaccines that will "cure" our new lives... I do hope she can get more tests....
 
  • #696
Question:

I know they’re doing the plasma/antibody thing (like my scientific explanation? Haha)

Do we know for sure though that there is immunity after you get it? I’ve seen different reports, and can’t keep up with everything...

Maybe some develop immunity and others do not? Is there definitive reference to this somewhere that states one is immune after they get it? Because I recall a few articles where people developed symptoms again after recovering, iirc. Moo. I appreciate any clarity on this. Maybe the trials are in progress and have not lended themselves to a definitive answer yet?
 
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  • #697
Bringing this forward again since t has to do with the discussion.

“The first case of someone in China suffering from
Covid-19
, the disease caused by the novel
coronavirus
, can be traced back to November 17, according to government data seen by the South China Morning Post.

Chinese authorities have so far identified at least 266 people who were infected last year, all of whom came under medical surveillance at some point.

Some of the cases were likely backdated after health authorities had tested specimens taken from suspected patients.”

• Additionally, according to the above article, “Patient zero has yet to be confirmed”.

—/

Hinky, moo.

—-

Where is this government data. Which report is it?

@tresir2012 , maybe you may come across this somewhere...
 
  • #698
SBM
  • Clean fruit and vegetables that are not bought in plastic bags by dumping them into soapy water, and then washing/scrubbing each piece for at least 20 seconds
Michigan doctor says leave groceries outside for 3 days if possible, shows how to disinfect
I can't find the article now; however, earlier today I read that Dr. Van Wingen has been desperately trying to edit his video regarding the above. It is NOT recommended that veggies be cleaned in soapy water. Ingesting any soapy residue can be harmful. I copied this small bit of text from his YT Channel that's underneath the video:

"www.DrJeffVW.com
UPDATE: C.D.C. Recommends Americans Wear Cloth Masks in Public (April 3, 2020)
Correction: Rinse fruits and vegetables with water - no soap.
"
 
  • #699
That is awesome-- i had a tele-conference with a physician yesterday thru
Ascensiononlinecare.org--paid 59.00-- i think this will be a very popular way
to communicate with docs, especially in light of how this pandemic is changing
our lives
Agree. I have a doc appt in 2+ weeks. Called the office and learned the appt will be done by teleconference. Excellent plan IMO>
 
  • #700
So, I usually take the “removable padding” out of swimsuit tops and bras.

My dog got a hold of a bra pad somewhere and was running around with it a hundred miles an hour like it’s the best thing in the world. Well it is sitting on the ground now where he left it and when I glanced at it I thought it looks just like a mask.

There was one early photo of a man wearing a bra on his face in China at the airport that was circulating on SM.

Anyway, I wonder how effective these removable bra pads are. Anyone?

ETA: What a weird post to type. Whoda thunk I’d be posting about wearing bras on your face...

Makes me think of “Weird Science”:

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