Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #45

[JustEve]

Guys, I need to go to sleep now, I am terribly tired.

Good night, sweet dreams and hang on! "See" you tomorrow!

 

[Tigerlily75]

During these absolutely horrible times, what is the best job??? I am okay at the moment even though I am not a health care person but what about eye doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. Society is being hammered across the board. Small businesses are suffering, restaurants airline pilots and flight attendants, Hotels and their staff, teachers
are suffering, etc.

Is there a safe type of job during this type of situation?

I’m an emergency dispatcher for 000 (911) here in Australia. We do emergency call-taking and radio comms for police, fire and ambulance for the entire state. So definitely a pretty safe job!!

 

[margarita25]

Oh, margarita25... Don` t be scared- as stupid as I know it sounds- don´t be scared.

You are doing everything in your power to be safe, along with your loved ones.

Stay home as you do, stay safe and don´t be scared, dear.

We live in terrible times, but it will pass- even in 2022., but it will pass.

Stay safe and sweet dreams!

Bless you. This is really sweet.

But academically, I’m really struggling with this...I don’t understand this. I know essential workers are needed, but how does this help the flattening of the curve, and more importantly, how might it negate it? Last I saw essential workers like PD and health workers and grocery workers are still getting sick...Surely the risks of this decision have been weighed and surely...I just don’t know how this fits with the data that we have so far...this is what I’m so confused about...there must be new data we don’t know about? 48 hours is nothing wrt incubation last I heard...it can be up to 14 days....I’m so confused. The “cure” for further spread is to isolate and quarantine. I’m not aware of any reports were asymptomatic transmission has been ruled out? Maybe there is new data on this, maybe the risk is minute, I don’t know. I don’t like that I don’t understand this. I want to know how they came to this decision. Is this really what the CDC really believes now? Dr. Nancy? And if so, why? Based on what? Is a dangerous decision and compromise being made here? They are the professionals, so they must know what’s right? Right? What does WHO think about this? So many questions. I must be misinformed about something...I have to be. Sorry not eloquent. I just want to know what this is based on, the whys, etc. I will want to see all context and reference tomorrow in its entirety.

 

[otto]

Yes, that must be it.

But still, 800 000 sick people sounds terrible.

I really hope this is the worst case scenario that will not happen, I really do.

This seems to be the most likely scenario. It's oil and farm country, with some statisticians and scientists:

"The probable scenario is that infections will peak in mid-May, according to modelling done by Alberta Health Services.

"From the beginning of the outbreak to the end of summer we could see as many as 800,000 infections, and between 400 and 3,100 deaths," Kenney said."​

Alberta could see up to 800,000 COVID-19 infections in 'most likely' scenario

 

[JustEve]

I've wondered if living farther apart from each other could somewhat slow the spread.

That sounds logical, but than our estimated numbers would be worse than yours.

 

[otto]

Bless you. This is really sweet.

But academically, I’m really struggling with this...I don’t understand this. I know essential workers are needed, but how does this help the flattening of the curve, and more importantly, how might it negate it? Surely these risks have been weighed and surely...I just don’t know his this fits with the data that we have so far...this is what I’m so confused about..48 hours is nothing...I’m so confused. The “cure” for this is to isolate and quarantine. I’m not aware of any reports were asymptomatic transmission has been ruled out? Maybe there is new data on this, maybe the risk is minute, I don’t know. J don’t like that I don’t know. I want to know how they came to this decision. Is this really what the CDC believes? Dr. Nancy? And if so, why? Is a dangerous decision and compromise being made here? They are the professionals, so they must know what’s right? Right? What does WHO think about this? So many questions. I must be misinformed about something. I have to be.

Asymptomatic transmission is real for 2-3 days through saliva. Then there are symptoms and quarantine is recommended for at least 14 days. However, if people who are infected are working in the hospital with full protective gear to treat people infected with the same virus, is the public at risk?

 

[margarita25]

Asymptomatic transmission is real for 2-3 days through saliva. Then there are symptoms and quarantine is recommended for at least 14 days. However, if people who are infected are working in the hospital with full protective gear to treat people infected with the same virus, is the public at risk?

I thought it was all essential workers? Not just health care?

 

[otto]

I thought it was all essential workers? Not just health care?

I missed that part. Grocery store cashiers are essential workers right now. Are they supposed to work after they are infected and before they get so sick they can't work?

 

[margarita25]

I missed that part. Grocery store cashiers are essential workers right now. Are they supposed to work after they are infected and before they get so sick they can't work?

I’m tired like you so will definitely go back to this tomorrow, maybe I’m confused. I must be confused.

Goodnight all.

 

[otto]

That sounds logical, but than our estimated numbers would be worse than yours.

That's true. If living farther apart reduced transmission, our rates would be lower, but if you stopped all transportation and inter-city travel, that could lower the rates. What is interesting is that the more out of control the outbreak, the sooner the peak, the more people sick and the more deaths, according to our projections.

At the same time, your peak is 2-3 weeks and ours is 4-6 weeks.

 

[mickey2942]

I couldn't sleep, so I decided to watch tv. "12 Monkeys" with Bruce Willis. Bad idea.

 

[Mimi in London]

True Christians don't mind dying of COVID-19 if they're infected at church': Louisiana pastor insists on still holding services as he faces charges for already having defied state's ban on public gatherings

Louisiana pastor says congregants will die for faith, holds services despite COVID-19 restrictions | Daily Mail Online

That’s fine - good for them. But would true Christians be willing to risk the lives of everyone else around them? Not the ones I know, thankfully.

 

[Curious Me]

During Wednesday’s World News Tonight, ABC’s Dr. Jen Aston promoted a pre-trial drug that blocked the virus from attaching to lung cells.

“It's a drug called EIDD 2801. A pill that blocks the coronavirus from attaching to lung cells in test tubes. It could be used to both treat and prevent COVID-19, and it set to start clinical trials in humans this spring,” she explained. “Not a moment too soon,” declared anchor David Muir.

Nets Hype Experimental Virus Treatments, Bash Drug Boosted By Trump

Clinical studies evaluating an antiviral drug that is in development against SARS-CoV-2 are expected to begin later this spring. Scientists working to develop the drug, which is called EIDD-2801, suggest that if trials are successful, the drug could not only be used to limit the spread of SARS-CoV-2, but could also control future outbreaks of other emerging coronaviruses. EIDD-2801 is an orally available form of the antiviral compound EIDD-1931, which has shown promise in reducing lung damage in animal models.

Clinical Trial Evaluating Oral Drug against Coronavirus Expected to Start Later This Spring

Let's hope that EIDD-2801 works then.
Nets Hype Experimental Virus Treatments, Bash Drug Boosted By Trump

Tonight I feel I'm being held captive watching heart touching clips then horrible predictions. There's so much going on in the news, lots of hopes vs lots of sad news and it's making me feel bipolar.

Last night I posted about my own experience taking Plaquenil with no side effects. I see in the article there's concern for a few people having a heart reaction; however, there's some claiming it helped get them on the road to recovery. I'm just shocked at the controversy all over the news about it. It has done wonders for many people with RA and Lupus, and has been around a long time.

It's done wonders, but the only trouble is we can't get our Rx Refills now.

But... I understand that there hasn't been enough formal trials testing it on Covid patients. Announcements were made to the public, Dr. Oz and Trump were very hyped up about it and voiced high hopes for the anti malarial drug, perhaps too often and too soon. Unfortunately, it has created big controversy and a shortage of the drug for patients depending on it.

I take it for RA. I heard on my local news I'm not the only one who only got 14 days worth. A little girl with Lupus, which affects her kidneys and organs, takes hydroxychloroquine and that little girl only got only 14 days! They want us to keep going back to the pharmacy when we're suppose to stay home? I have no problem being shorted, but they better make sure that little girl doesn't have kidney failure. What a mess with all these shortages and viewpoints.

I try to keep my mind on something else other than the virus, but our governor takes up the morning shows, then in the afternoons the city health officials talk and they all want a turn, and then later the mayor, oh and the President, of course. I've heard it all. Thankfully, we have great streaming capabilities to ease the boredom of Pandemic Isolation. Whew, I guess I needed to get that off my mind.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

Lupus, arthritis patients fear potential hydroxychloroquine shortages after Trump's statements

 

[otto]

Let's hope that EIDD-2801 works then.
Nets Hype Experimental Virus Treatments, Bash Drug Boosted By Trump

Tonight I feel I'm being held captive watching heart touching clips then horrible predictions. There's so much going on in the news, lots of hopes vs lots of sad news and it's making me feel bipolar.

Last night I posted about my own experience taking Plaquenil with no side effects. I see in the article there's concern for a few people having a heart reaction; however, there's some claiming it helped get them on the road to recovery. I'm just shocked at the controversy all over the news about it. It has done wonders for many people with RA and Lupus, and has been around a long time.

It's done wonders, but the only trouble is we can't get our Rx Refills now.

But... I understand that there hasn't been enough formal trials testing it on Covid patients. Announcements were made to the public, Dr. Oz and Trump were very hyped up about it and voiced high hopes for the anti malarial drug, perhaps too often and too soon. Unfortunately, it has created big controversy and a shortage of the drug for patients depending on it.

I take it for RA. I heard on my local news I'm not the only one who only got 14 days worth. A little girl with Lupus, which affects her kidneys and organs, takes hydroxychloroquine and that little girl only got only 14 days! They want us to keep going back to the pharmacy when we're suppose to stay home? I have no problem being shorted, but they better make sure that little girl doesn't have kidney failure. What a mess with all these shortages and viewpoints.

I try to keep my mind on something else other than the virus, but our governor takes up the morning shows, then in the afternoons the city health officials talk and they all want a turn, and then later the mayor, oh and the President, of course. I've heard it all. Thankfully, we have great streaming capabilities to ease the boredom of Pandemic Isolation. Whew, I guess I needed to get that off my mind.

Hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) Shortage Causing Concern | Arthritis Foundation

Lupus, arthritis patients fear potential hydroxychloroquine shortages after Trump's statements

It was recently reported that there are 29 million doses of the anti-malaria drugs in US stockpiles. Odd that there's a shortage on the street. Imagine if medication was hoarded on the offhand chance it might be useful for some new illness.

That's like hoarding toilet paper in case we run out of trees to make paper.

"Trump: We have purchased and we have stockpiled 29 million pills of the hydroxychloroquine, 29 million. A lot of drugstores have them by prescription — and they’re not expensive. Also, we’re sending them to various labs, our military, we’re sending them to the hospitals, we’re sending them all over.

STAT: Trump is mostly correct, but the units were donated by drug companies, not purchased by the federal government, and he’s actually underselling the number: It’s 31 million doses, not 29 million. Sandoz, the generic subsidiary of Novartis, donated 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine sulfate to the Strategic National Stockpile last month, and Bayer donated another 1 million doses of hydroxychloroquine phosphate."​

Fact-checking Trump’s optimistic hydroxychloroquine claims - STAT

Take a break from the news - turn-off media for a day, forget about reality.

 

[cass523]

Autophagy is the first lines of defense against any virus.

Boost your immune system in the age of coronavirus with these tips

The author of the new book, "Life in the Fasting Lane," says that eating less can be a healthy way to fight illness.

video (3:45)

Boost your immune system in the age of coronavirus with these tips

 

[tresir2012]

That’s one thing that I really ponder.

If it was around earlier, then how come we haven’t heard of hospitals getting overwhelmed back then...unless they assumed it was Influenza—Dr.LW was experienced with SARS so it was hinky for him, in fact his first words in the chat with his colleagues were “SARS is back”.

Imo it’s possible that perhaps postmortem examinations may infact reveal that CV was present in some patients earlier, IDK. I wonder what Dr. Mike and Dr. Maria would say about this post. They might totally discount that theory, idk.

Whatever the case we KNOW how highly contagious this, and see how quickly it moved around the world, so if it was around in November in China...

Idk I think about this a lot.

I’m sure scientists are going back and reviewing previous pneumonia and influenza reports.

Due to its level of contagiousness, why would it be isolated in November only to suddenly blow up later.

My bottom dollar says it was here in December. Again, no proof as to that but logically looking at the facts I don’t know how it wouldn’t have spread by that time considering how infectious it is.

Maybe there was a rapid mutation in severity, idk...

I’d really like to learn more about the November 17th case. So far I’ve come across this, but maybe there’s more.
Or not, as we know China tried to suppress information about the virus initially.

China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17

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Here’s another thing. I’m not even sure the Wuhan market is the only and original source, and early on Dr. Mike said the same thing. We know surfaces at the market tested positive. There are other markets, including one which another man visited, and was then diagnosed in Japan. He had not visited that other market.

Dr. Sylvie said they were tracing the animals at the market, etc but I haven’t much more about the “source” lately.

If it was, for example, only in the West Coast student population then it could explain low deaths at the time. Any deaths were perhaps misdisgnosed. Then the students all return for the holidays, then it's January when the news breaks. MOO.

 

[musicaljoke]

I think that the real problem when it is time for everyone to go back to work, will be the people who have legitimate reasons to stay home. People who have lupus, pregnancy, whatever. So they will want to continue telework. Or people who just don't want to risk getting sick.

And everyone else who doesn't have some sort of doctor's note, will get worked piled on them. I already see this situation happening now.

I'm hoping that we come out of this with the discovery that we don't all have to physically gather for work. Many people are successfully working from home. Some people are working more efficiently and productively from home.

It would make life much more pleasant for many if they didn't have to start their trek to work an hour or more ahead of time, with leaving a child off at the day care and entering a traffic queue. It's costly in terms of vehicle expense, lost family and personal time, and enviromental damage.

Not everyone will be able to continue working from home, but I hope that many will find it is a better option than travelling to work.

 

[tresir2012]

Bringing this forward again since t has to do with the discussion.

“The first case of someone in China suffering from
Covid-19
, the disease caused by the novel
coronavirus
, can be traced back to November 17, according to government data seen by the South China Morning Post.

Chinese authorities have so far identified at least 266 people who were infected last year, all of whom came under medical surveillance at some point.

Some of the cases were likely backdated after health authorities had tested specimens taken from suspected patients.”

• Additionally, according to the above article, “Patient zero has yet to be confirmed”.

—/

Hinky, moo.

—-

Where is this government data. Which report is it?

@tresir2012 , maybe you may come across this somewhere...

The earliest date I have seen mentioned 8 Dec 2019 in China in WHO stat report 37. 26th January 2020 was the date of the first confirmed CA case according to Wiki. That person must have been infected for at least 14 days which takes us back to 12 th Jan so I definitely think it is possible there were undiagnosed cases earlier.

2020 coronavirus pandemic in California - Wikipedia

"The 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Californiais part of the ongoing worldwide pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The first case of COVID-19 in the U.S. state of California was confirmed on January 26.[3] A state of emergency has been in place in the state since March 4. A mandatory statewide stay-at-home order was issued on March 19. As of April 7, 2020, the CDPH says that there have been 16,957 confirmed cases and 442 deaths in the state.[2]

 

[Curious Me]

Autophagy is the first lines of defense against any virus.

Boost your immune system in the age of coronavirus with these tips

The author of the new book, "Life in the Fasting Lane," says that eating less can be a healthy way to fight illness.

video (3:45)

Boost your immune system in the age of coronavirus with these tips

Eating less! I guess if we all run out of food, or if you actually catch the virus. But no, I'm eating more. I've been keeping busy trying new recipes. Baked cookies yesterday. Tried a Pulled Pork recipe today and it came delicious. Froze some. It's easier to stay in when it rains. It's been almost a month now. Sigh.

 

[musicaljoke]

Earlier this week, channel-surfing to find something to watch other than the news, I was so surprised to see one of the shopping channels still selling cruises! I was uneasy about the floating Petri dishes before all of this. Now? You couldn’t pay me to take a cruise.

The Disney Wonder cruise arrived in San Diego on March 19 and now we've learned that several crew members and passengers have tested positive for COVID. My niece was on that cruise, and now is deathly ill with pneumonia and is presumed COVID positive. She has multiple health challenges and required an organ transplant last year.

From what I understand, the company is offering these passengers a cruise next year for half price. (!)

San Diego ends cruise ship deliveries after Disney Wonder passenger, crew member test positive