Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #46

[Deleted member 39678]

All the evidence i have seen indicates homemade masks are far less effective than N95 masks. Homemade masks are mostly to protect other people from you (in case you are asymptomatic carrier). N95 masks can actually protect you from other people.

That's why people should stay home and practice social distancing. Homemade masks do not prevent people wearing them from getting covid-19. There's never going to be enough N95's to give to every person in the US. JMO

 

[10ofRods]

The United States apparently doesn't have the masks readily available for all essential workers. If it does, someone at the federal level is hoarding them (recent stories about Federal mask acquisition does make a person wonder where they are going).

There are mask shortages everywhere, and mask shipments going to the highest bidders. It helps California that we are the entry point for foreign shipments of most masks right now, but even California can't seem to get its hands on enough. Surgical masks are being reused for up to 5 days in some places (although I think that's gotten better in the last couple of days).

Where are the Federal masks going? I do wonder. Are they kept for the military? If so, why?

Of course, I still ponder why essential workers (like USPS) aren't at least wearing a scarf or bandana. We see transit workers in New York (on video) who are similarly devoid of all protection. Work gloves are available. Rubberized work gloves are available, why not at least wear those and bring some sanitizer for the steering wheel? Clearly, people are uneducated about what to do and it's a shame there's no shared national media to turn to for information. Not everyone is reading or watching the internet.

 

[Sundog]

WARNING: shows people in coffins

“In three days, I lost my husband and son to an ugly plague. I watched my son go from completely well and whole and happy to being gone in three days.”

'Unimaginable' pain: Coronavirus robs Michigan woman of whole family

No words.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Test results Thursday night confirmed a Charlotte woman's fears. Despite staying home, her fever, headache, trouble breathing and coughing are from COVID-19.

Charlotte woman hasn't left her house in three weeks but tested positive for COVID-19

ETA: well the headline is misleading - she did receive groceries from a covid-positive person and her husband leaves the house and she didn't think to sanitize groceries

 

[katydid23]

We can make our own masks, but our own masks are much less effective than professionally made masks such as N95 masks. I am not even asking that we were given these masks for free, but we can't even purchase them anymore. Even the N95 masks that people used for home work, such as painting, woodworking, are no longer in stock anywhere. Where did they all go?

They went to the same place that all the TP went....to hoarders, most likely.

N95's are disposable masks as well, I believe. How is anyone going to suddenly provide 335 million citizens with enough disposable masks to last for months, during a global pandemic?

 

[nye bevan]

White House rejects bailout for U.S. Postal Service battered by coronavirus

 

[jjenny]

That's why people should stay home and practice social distancing. Homemade masks do not prevent people wearing them from getting covid-19. There's never going to be enough N95's to give to every person in the US. JMO

China somehow manages it, and it has a lot more people. When I look at photos there, I see people wearing masks, and those masks don't look homemade.

 

[cass523]

I believe the operative word here is "known" underlying health condition. Many people have "conditions" which are not "known" until they act up and the person dies. For instance, many people have died for anurisms which were not known until they ruptured, the same with heart problems.

If it is true that underlying conditions contribute are the main cause of death, it seems like a very selective virus. IMO

I watched this video yesterday discussing underlying conditions, complications and blood clots that can occur while being on a ventilator. Also, how ventilator pressure being too strong causing lung injuries.

Dr. Cameron Kyle Seidel ER physician, Maimonides Medical Center, NY

"COVID positive patients need oxygen, they do not need pressure. They will need ventilators, but they must be programmed differently. I've talked to doctors all around the country and it is becoming increasingly clear, that the pressure we are providing may be hurting their lungs"

Pulmonologist Dr. Sam Parnia, MD, PhD at NYU Langone Health

"Dr. Parnia, what is your response to to the theory that the typical ways we use ventilators for pneumonia are doing more harm than good for COVID patients?"

" I think what we are realizing now, having taken care of hundreds of patients, this is really a unique disease, something we have never seen before. It's not the same as the the usual pneumonia, or other lung diseases we've taken care of. Therefore the ventilator and in fact all of their management has to be adjusted on a per patient basis, rather than just using traditional protocols that were developed for other conditions so-called ARDS, or other situations.

"Is this a lung disease causing blood problems, or is it a blood disease causing lung problems? How different is COVID-19 from what we have seen before?"

"COVID is affecting multiple organs, it's a really bizarre disease, systematic disease that happens to involve the lungs and other organs, particularly the kidneys. The blood is becoming thick and blood clotting is happening." (it continues in video. )

Discussed in video: dialysis machines, carbon monoxide poisoning, organ complications, Governor Cuomo and mortality rates

The video is 8 minutes. Dr. Sam Parnia is at the 2:40 mark

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[imstilla.grandma]

That's why people should stay home and practice social distancing. Homemade masks do not prevent people wearing them from getting covid-19. There's never going to be enough N95's to give to every person in the US. JMO

This reminds me of yesterday when my son was going through our shed. My husband had his own auto paint and body shop. He had to close the shop a few years ago for health reasons. My sons gathered up and secured every viable or memorable machinery. My son is planning to build him a handicapped accessible shop on his property one day. With all this extra time on their hands, they found four sealed boxes with bags of N95 masks. My husband said he got them at the auto parts store where he used to match and buy all his factory colored paint. I wouldn’t have thought about places such as this carrying such a now critical sought after item. I guess never have numbers mattered so much.

 

[Really?]

We can make our own masks, but our own masks are much less effective than professionally made masks such as N95 masks. I am not even asking that we were given these masks for free, but we can't even purchase them anymore. Even the N95 masks that people used for home work, such as painting, woodworking, are no longer in stock anywhere. Where did they all go?

I found a pack of three I bought for sanding.....in addition to the 20 I found that I had bought to sweep our garage out after having a deck built and aspestos (sp?) removed and blowing in said garage.

 

[TMAN2014]

White House rejects bailout for U.S. Postal Service battered by coronavirus

The US Postal Service was battered BEFORE coronavirus.

 

[Sillybilly]

Is there a link to this bit of info?

Gosh, I'm having trouble seeing your link substantiating that rats can't climb stairs, etc

Re rats climbing stairs, a picture (in this case, video) is worth a thousand words ...

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Re rats climbing walls:

https://www.basingstoke.gov.uk/content/page/23806/Controlling rats and mice leaflet.pdf

Oh, and "I suggest" = opinion, and I think it was a good one

 

[NuttMegg]

All the evidence i have seen indicates homemade masks are far less effective than N95 masks. Homemade masks are mostly to protect other people from you (in case you are asymptomatic carrier). N95 masks can actually protect you from other people.

Exactly what Birx said. She was afraid that people would get a false sense of security. The homemade masks, unless meticulously fashioned to perfectly fit the face and with specialized filters are meant to protect other people from YOU. Not vice versa.

 

[katydid23]

All the evidence i have seen indicates homemade masks are far less effective than N95 masks. Homemade masks are mostly to protect other people from you (in case you are asymptomatic carrier). N95 masks can actually protect you from other people.

But they are not reusable. So how effective or valuable is having one?

Home made masks can be made more effective by adding inner linings with vacuum cleaner filters, etc. And they can be washed and reused, many times over.

My point is, our federal government CANNOT supply 335 million people with enough reusable masks to protect them.

They need to focus on the health care workers and First responders on the front lines. The private citizens can do fine with home made masks lined with filters. JMO

 

[TMAN2014]

I am sure coronavirus hurt too, but the Post Office is no cash cow.

Postal Service Doubles Annual Losses to $8.8 Billion

Postal Service Doubles Annual Losses to $8.8 Billion
USPS is no longer seeing accelerating growth from its shipping and package business.

"
he U.S. Postal Service lost $8.8 billion in fiscal 2019, more than doubling its losses from the previous year.

The results marked the 13th consecutive year the mailing agency lost money, although USPS did post a slight uptick in revenue to $71.3 billion. A precipitous decrease in mail usage continued to wreak havoc on the Postal Service’s finances, with overall volume dropping by 3.8 billion pieces. "

 

[jjenny]

But they are not reusable. So how effective or valuable is having one?

Home made masks can be made more effective by adding inner linings with vacuum cleaner filters, etc. And they can be washed and reused, many times over.

Well, apparently some hepa vacuum bags have fiberglass n them so they don't make good filters. While we are making masks out of vacuum bags, we could get ourselves sick without even having covid.

 

[tresir2012]

The size of the crowd was huge, and left many wondering why so many Londoners would converge on a single, albeit large, shopping venue. But the apparently crowded nature of the line also shocked the eye, with hundreds seemingly mere inches from the person before them.

When we went to look ourselves, we saw something quite different.

This photo of a Costco lineup sparked viral frustration in London. Did it show the full story?

That really is a good example of perspective. Also, maybe trolleye should be 6 foot long.

 

[bluedivergirl]

If we can afford to make the cruise ship companies, (who register their ships in other countries) "vibrant", because "it is not their fault", which are exactly the words Trump used, then we can afford to supply our citizens with masks, IMO. It is a matter of priorities. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3TH-914Iapd6TRxcP9ETaH

I do not think the US should bail out the cruise ships. They greatly contributed to this mess, IMO.

I also do not want the government to provide my masks. I can do that for myself. IMO, the more you depend on government to provide for you, the less independence and autonomy an individual has.

 

[katydid23]

Exactly what Birx said. She was afraid that people would get a false sense of security. The homemade masks, unless meticulously fashioned to perfectly fit the face and with specialized filters are meant to protect other people from YOU. Not vice versa.

But if EVERYONE is wearing them, then they will be preventing others from catching anything from them.

When I went out last week briefly, wearing my baseball cap, protective glasses, surgical mask and scarf and gloves, I went into a pharmacy. EVERYONE else had masks or bandanas on. The few customers inside and the pharmacist and the clerk.

So my mask was protecting me because everyone else was masked as well. And I wore gloves, never touched my face, and threw the gloves out when I got to my car.

I left the package in the back seat for 2 days.

 

[jjenny]

I do not think the US should bail out the cruise ships. They greatly contributed to this mess, IMO.

I also do not want the government to provide my masks. I can do that for myself. IMO, the more you depend on government to provide for you, the less independence and autonomy an individual has.

I am not asking anybody to give me anything for free. I however want to purchase these masks and that's not happening right now. Where exactly did non medical grade N95 masks go? They are not for use by medical professionals.