Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #46

[KALI]

We have less than 600 deaths in a population of 40 million people in California.
Yet our esteemed leaders have ordered us to stay home, for 6 more weeks.
i think that they are out of their minds.
it's already been 3 weeks of no income to California.
6 more weeks?
Who can go 9 weeks without a paycheck?
Nobody I know.
As an extra bonus from our leaders...
they've decided that releasing convicted people of crimes is a great idea.
I know, that I am not to get political here.
So, I will not.
However, this is a crime site.
What are your thoughts on releasing criminals?
I'll start.
I am agast and furious!

 

[otto]

University of Washington coronavirus modeler: Data showing 'the worst is behind us'
[...]

Dr. Ali Mokdad, the physician behind the influential coronavirus pandemic model at the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, told Fox News Friday that "the worst is behind us as a country."

"We are going to go down in terms of mortality," Mokdad told a special edition of "Bill Hemmer Reports". "Some states will peak a little bit later but California, [Washington], New York are going to go down in terms of numbers of mortality. It's very positive as we move forward that the worst is behind us as a country, for some states it will take a week or so."

[...]

"Testing is very important, public surveillance is important."

Earlier Friday, White House coronavirus task force response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx told reporters that "for the first time in the United States, we're starting to level on the logarithmic phase, like Italy did about a week ago, and so this gives us great heart, that we're starting to see that change."

[...]

"We're united in social distancing," the doctor added. "That's been very encouraging to all of us. It should be encouraging to health care providers on the front lines who are serving with such dignity and respect. Our mortality [rate] in the U.S. is significantly less than many other countries."

However, Birx also warned that for all the encouraging signs, "we haven't reached the peak."

I'm right there with the best of them when it comes to optimism, but ... 65,000 new cases in 2 days doesn't breed optimism. I think it's important to recognize that the peak is not today, tomorrow, or anytime soon - given the numbers.

April 8

April 10

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,699,632 Cases and 102,734 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

 

[otto]

We have less than 600 deaths in a population of 40 million people in California.
Yet our esteemed leaders have ordered us to stay home, for 6 more weeks.
i think that they are out of their minds.
it's already been 3 weeks of no income to California.
6 more weeks?
Who can go 9 weeks without a paycheck?
Nobody I know.
As an extra bonus from our leaders...
they've decided that releasing convicted people of crimes is a great idea.
I know, that I am not to get political here.
So, I will not.
However, this is a crime site.
What are your thoughts on releasing criminals?
I'll start.
I am agast and furious!

California numbers are increasing, even if they seem low today.

April 8

April 10

United States Coronavirus: 502,876 Cases and 18,747 Deaths - Worldometer

I heard that California is stiffing landlords because they can. That's not the way to kickstart an economy.

Releasing criminals is to protect them from infected guards and staff. That's perhaps the hard point about prison - losing rights. Pandemic is not fair to anyone, and no one should get a free pass because of it.

 

[Moonracer]

Of c0urse it happens, but mostly it doesn't.

It happens at least 1.5 million times a year, just in the U.S.[National Institutes of Health, more]

Link:
The alarming reality of medication error: a patient case and review of Pennsylvania and National data

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[Boston Corbett]

Vehicles line up before dawn as locals seek aid from the San Antonio Food Bank (San Antonio Express-News)

Thousands of vehicles lined up before dawn Thursday to seek aid from the San Antonio Food Bank.

The agency fed about 10,000 households at a South Side flea market amid the economic fallout caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

"It was a rough one today," said Food Bank president and CEO Eric Cooper after the largest single-day distribution in the nonprofit's 40-year history. ​

 

[kkdj]

Does earlier peak mean more people simultaneously overwhelm the health system earlier? That's what happened in Italy. Sounds like that happened in NYC as well? Contact tracing seems out of the question during community spread without help from phone location tracing to track contacts.

Seems like later peak means lower peak and health system better able to manage the situation. Very interesting question of how to kick start the economy when so many are self-isolating and very likely do not have antibodies.

exactly.

 

[mickey2942]

@KALI I have to agree with you. If people continue to stay home, that isn't going to solve anything. We have done "Social Distancing". Now, it is time to get back to normal, whatever that is going to look like.

The issue is that unless you live under a glass dome for the rest of your life, chances are, that you will get this virus. Many people have had it, and never even realized that they were "sick". Senator Rand Paul is an excellent example of "Asymptomatic COVID19".

If we keep staying at home, cowering, afraid of germs, the long term consequences of this will be far reaching and substantial. Not just economically but also mentally and emotionally.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sadly, a LOT of times, meds are given without the physicians giving enough thought - my mother died from just such a "medical error" and I was disabled by another medication error last July. Well-known medication problems, yet two mistakes.

I'm sorry that you have had major problems with doctors errors in prescribing drugs.

I haven't seen any reports that doctors who have prescribed hydroxychloroquine for treatment of Covid-19 have harmed anyone by doing so.

I have seen reports that it looks like it may be helpful in treating corona-virus patients, perhaps even saving lives.

Obviously hydroxychloroquine can't be given to everyone without consideration of side effects. I trust that most doctors will be diligent in making sure their patients only receive medications that hopefully help them and not harm them. JMO.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

@KALI I have to agree with you. If people continue to stay home, that isn't going to solve anything. We have done "Social Distancing". Now, it is time to get back to normal, whatever that is going to look like.

The issue is that unless you live under a glass dome for the rest of your life, chances are, that you will get this virus. Many people have had it, and never even realized that they were "sick". Senator Rand Paul is an excellent example of "Asymptomatic COVID19".

If we keep staying at home, cowering, afraid of germs, the long term consequences of this will be far reaching and substantial. Not just economically but also mentally and emotionally.

I disagree. Staying at home is not for the purposes of insulating yourself against ever getting the virus. As you say, most people will get it, eventually.

However -- staying home now, still, is for the purpose of not overwhelming the medical system. If too many people are sick at once, the proportion of ill people who need hospitalization will overwhelm the system. Just as we've been reading is now happening in NYC and other places.

Spreading out the illnesses so that there's never too many people for the needed hospital care at one time, is the point.

And remember that this is not "for the rest of your life". Within two years there will be a vaccine, and there may be effective treatment sooner than that, possibly.

I know it must feel like "this has been going on long enough" but we're only halfway there. This is not the time to stop.

JMO MOO

 

[Strangeworld]

@KALI I have to agree with you. If people continue to stay home, that isn't going to solve anything. We have done "Social Distancing". Now, it is time to get back to normal, whatever that is going to look like.

The issue is that unless you live under a glass dome for the rest of your life, chances are, that you will get this virus. Many people have had it, and never even realized that they were "sick". Senator Rand Paul is an excellent example of "Asymptomatic COVID19".

If we keep staying at home, cowering, afraid of germs, the long term consequences of this will be far reaching and substantial. Not just economically but also mentally and emotionally.

I disagree - as Auntie said above, social distancing and restrictions are to ease the burden on the medical system all at once. I value my life and those I love, and I have educated myself enough about COVID-19 to know that if the restrictions are lifted too quickly, it will kill alot of people, regardless of where this is done. How many people die will depend on other measures put in place and the existing spread.

I am so proud that our Australian government have made it clear (for now anyway) that herd immunity will NOT be the way to tackle this. Thank goodness, because I'm in a high risk group. I realise the devastation this is having on the economy, but in the end, human life will always be more important to me. And I'm relieved our decision-makers feel the same.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Warm weather is forecast for Sacramento CA in the coming days.

Will sunny days in the 70's cause people to venture out, throwing social distancing to the side to enjoy the nice weather?

 

[Curious Me]

I'm not in favor of releasing any violent prisoners or even opportunist criminals at a time like this. Actually, it seems silly to release prisoners unless you're going to insure they have some place to go. Law Enforcement is burdened enough. All walks of life are being hit by this virus.

If you let them out then where are the prisoners going to go? Are they going to join the huge homeless population now staying in the convention centers and CV-19 shelters springing up? Or go stay with their families in isolation? What about the increase in Domestic Violence from being isolated with your newly released prisoner? Is someone going to keep track of what happened to them once released? It seems there's no gain for the general public in this idea? It's not like the prisoners are going to get out and get a good job when everybody else has lost their jobs. What's the point then to protect who? MOO, once we get reliable testing procedures working smoothly, then positive CV-19 prisoners can be separated within the jail and prison facilities. It's possible I don't understand this problem from all angles. Am I going to have to buy a gun to protect myself from the prisoners we're talking about releasing?

 

[margarita25]

Vehicles line up before dawn as locals seek aid from the San Antonio Food Bank (San Antonio Express-News)

Thousands of vehicles lined up before dawn Thursday to seek aid from the San Antonio Food Bank.

The agency fed about 10,000 households at a South Side flea market amid the economic fallout caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

"It was a rough one today," said Food Bank president and CEO Eric Cooper after the largest single-day distribution in the nonprofit's 40-year history. ​

I just saw that on the news and WOW, look at all those cars! See 6:40 in the video:

NBC Nightly News Broadcast (Full) - April 10th, 2020

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Does earlier peak mean more people simultaneously overwhelm the health system earlier? That's what happened in Italy. Sounds like that happened in NYC as well? Rsbm Seems like later peak means lower peak and health system better able to manage the situation. Rsbm.

Here’s Colorado for example, BBM:

“Colorado has successfully pushed back its expected peak in coronavirus cases until at least next month, an important shift to give health officials and hospitals more time to prepare for a potential surge in COVID-19 patients, a top state public health official said Thursday.

Social distancing and stay-at-home measures have helped flatten and push the curve of cases to the right, preventing health care facilities from being overwhelmed by a spike in patients, Scott Bookman, the state’s incident commander for COVID-19, said on a conference call with reporters.”

Colorado's coronavirus peak pushed into May thanks to social distancing

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'm not in favor of releasing any violent prisoners or even opportunist criminals at a time like this. Actually, it seems silly to release prisoners unless you're going to insure they have some place to go. Law Enforcement is burdened enough. All walks of life are being hit by this virus.

If you let them out then where are the prisoners going to go? Are they going to join the huge homeless population now staying in the convention centers and CV-19 shelters springing up? Or go stay with their families in isolation? What about the increase in Domestic Violence from being isolated with your newly released prisoner? Is someone going to keep track of what happened to them once released? It seems there's no gain for the general public in this idea? It's not like the prisoners are going to get out and get a good job when everybody else has lost their jobs. What's the point then to protect who? MOO, once we get reliable testing procedures working smoothly, then positive CV-19 prisoners can be separated within the jail and prison facilities. It's possible I don't understand this problem from all angles. Am I going to have to buy a gun to protect myself from the prisoners we're talking about releasing?

Criminals are let out of prison every day in America and that will continue to happen when this pandemic is over.

Everyone should consider personal protection at all times, not just during emergency's. JMO

 

[firebird]

It happens at least 1.5 million times a year, just in the U.S.[National Institutes of Health, more]

Link:
The alarming reality of medication error: a patient case and review of Pennsylvania and National data

And I'm done.

Yep. It happens. But mostly it doesn't.

 

[Arkay]

@KALI I have to agree with you. If people continue to stay home, that isn't going to solve anything. We have done "Social Distancing". Now, it is time to get back to normal, whatever that is going to look like.

The issue is that unless you live under a glass dome for the rest of your life, chances are, that you will get this virus. Many people have had it, and never even realized that they were "sick". Senator Rand Paul is an excellent example of "Asymptomatic COVID19".

If we keep staying at home, cowering, afraid of germs, the long term consequences of this will be far reaching and substantial. Not just economically but also mentally and emotionally.

Disagree as well.
Perhaps your perspective depends on where you live, as well as on your financial situation. Those differ for all of us here. But ALL of us are frustrated, scared, exhausted, lonely...many emotional and physical hardships abound. However, this is a virus that spreads relentlessly. The authorities are learning as they go. What's deemed true one week is deemed untrue the next.

I personally know three people who died just this week alone. I'm in NYC and I realize others live in remote or rural areas, so the impact and threat level may not be the same. But if you've ever caught a cold, as I'm sure you have, then you know viruses spread invisibly. This virus is lethal. Maybe Rand Paul survived easily, but obviously this is not the case for everyone. Maybe "only" 600 died in California, and hopefully there won't be more. We have more than that dying EVERY DAY. Each one everywhere was someone's whole world.

The rates are beginning to decline a bit in New York. That's because we have isolated and stayed home. If the hospitals are overwhelmed, no one will be cured. If we say we've had enough and go back to the way we are accustomed to living, this plague will not end. It's a first for humanity and no one had immunity when it struck. We are all sacrificing for ourselves, our families and our communities. Tomorrow will come, this will pass, but first we have to stay in the fortress until the enemy outside has been defeated.

 

[Curious Me]

Remember when you could put some money in the bank and make compounded interest? You could make money on saving money. No more, bank interest doesn't promote saving. I think people lost a great deal of confidence in the economy. People used to save for a rainy day. Now, in a matter of only a month there's this desperation and long lines for food. Talk about the rug being pulled out from under people. That's what this virus did worldwide.

All JMO and MOO

 

[CeeCeeCat]

Even though most countries knew in early January that China had an out of control epidemic, most countries did not react until they discovered that they too could not contain the spread. Then it was a pandemic and every country is behind the 8 ball today. No one was prepared, no one has an excuse.

I can’t *like* this enough. It seems to me that the people here in these threads would’ve done a far better job at preparing our countries for what was to come.
As I posted in an earlier thread - our various governments knew about this. They were wilfully blind. And we are paying the price.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Remember when you could put some money in the bank and make compounded interest? You could make money on saving money. No more, bank interest doesn't promote saving. I think people lost a great deal of confidence in the economy. People used to save for a rainy day. Now, in a matter of only a month there's this desperation and long lines for food. Talk about the rug being pulled out from under people. That's what this virus did worldwide.

All JMO and MOO

I'm so glad that I haven't had to struggle to get food or necessary supplies for myself and my 87 year old mother.

At the same time I feel for those who have problems getting food to survive. That is not acceptable.

Why are there no lines or shortages at the grocery stores where I live in Sacramento California but there are at other locations?

 

[Curious Me]

Criminals are let out of prison every day in America and that will continue to happen when this pandemic is over.

Everyone should consider personal protection at all times, not just during emergency's. JMO

JMO, that's a pat answer.
You know what I mean...there's no one able to keep track of released prisoners right now. The structure of everyday life on the outside is beyond overburdened. We have a large population of homeless people in my city we're trying to house and keep safe as it is. Prisoners are usually released after they serve their full sentence.

Yes, prisoners are let out with very little money and are usually not rehabilitated, and many re-offend soon after release. I'm not comfortable letting a large number of dangerous prisoners out now because of over crowding and this CV-19 threat to everyone.

I know some people feel it's necessary to have personal protection, but gee, I don't think I should be forced to own a gun when I don't want one.