Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #46

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This graphic includes mask making instructions in 1918

spanish-flu-poster.jpg


"Take a piece of ordinary cheesecloth 8 x 16 inches, fold it to make it 8 x 8 inches. Next fold this to make it 8 x 4 inches. Tie cords about 10 inches long at each corner. Apply over mouth and nose as shown in picture."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/spanish-flu-covid-coronavirus-canada-manitoba-1.5523410

Cheesecloth must have been much heavier back in 1919 than it is now. You can drive a semi through the weave today.
 
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Mask inquiry. I walk my two dogs, big apartment complex, multiple buildings, but I am never within six to ten feet of anyone, no one in halls, etc. Do I still wear a mask?
 
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FORCIBLY REMOVED: Eyewitness video shows a man being physically pulled off a Philadelphia bus by police after he was reportedly asked off for not wearing a mask amid the coronavirus outbreak, with city transit officials now rescinding that mask policy.

video
World News Tonight on Twitter
I don't know what I think about this. By doing that they are putting themselves at risk. Should they have just tasered and handcuffed him?
 
  • #346
… snipped to reply...I have an interesting theory on this virus, what if there are asymptomatic people in society who are always going to carry the virus and infect others? A modern equivalent of "Typhoid Mary". What if we found one? What would society do with a person like that?

Mary Mallon - Wikipedia
It's Estimated 1 in 4 Coronavirus Carriers Could Be Asymptomatic. Here's What We Know

That is so interesting about
Typhoid Mary!

Your post is so thought provoking. MOO, yes, people like her are out there, walking around unaware and proud to be so healthy while exposing others.

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't learn something new from people here. ;)

Mary Mallon - Wikipedia
 
  • #347
Mask inquiry. I walk my two dogs, big apartment complex, multiple buildings, but I am never within six to ten feet of anyone, no one in halls, etc. Do I still wear a mask?

IMO, as someone who lives in the same type of complex, that would be a hard "yes." Dr. Fauci and others who are knowledgeable say that the virus can remain in the air for three hours. Who knows who has passed by earlier in the now empty halls?

P.S. To other apartment dwellers.... Have you seen anyone on their terraces at an appointed time, singing or clapping or giving each other trivia quizzes?
It's 6:25 PM EST, as I write. I'm always seeing videos like this, even from my city, New York. People arranging through their windows and terraces to do this at 7 PM, or 8 PM. But nobody in my neighborhood has been doing this. I want to! I have a good sized terrace for NYC, I'm on the 11th floor of a 23-story building, there are buildings of the same size in every direction here. But no one here has been doing it.
 
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  • #348
Mask inquiry. I walk my two dogs, big apartment complex, multiple buildings, but I am never within six to ten feet of anyone, no one in halls, etc. Do I still wear a mask?

Personal choice. If you are sure that noone is going to get near to you then you would not need one. It's just that some people don't respect the social distancing rules.
 
  • #349
So sorry you can't get your eye drops! Unfortunately, for years various medicines and even normal saline have had supply shortages. Medication supply chains are unfortunately very vulnerable.

Be sure to call your healthcare prescriber to let them know you can't get the drops refilled. There are substitutions available if your healthcare provider deems it necessary. Increased intraocular pressure (IOP) over time can cause permanent blindness. However, blindness is generally quite preventable with monitoring by a professional and a variety of drops. Definitely, communicate with your provider about the shortage.

Moo..NOT medical advice.

(normal saline shortages from a few years ago)
FDA Drug Shortages
Normal Saline

Thank you!
 
  • #350
Mask inquiry. I walk my two dogs, big apartment complex, multiple buildings, but I am never within six to ten feet of anyone, no one in halls, etc. Do I still wear a mask?

I think you will get differing opinions on this, but I would not.
 
  • #351
Surgical masks and even N95 masks aren't supposed to be reusable. Because there is such shortage of them in US, I guess even medical professionals had to reuse them here, which is not good.

Although they are intended for single use, the University of Calgary has tested various sterilizing techniques and has found that they can be reused.

Here's the journal article (not yet peer reviewed but in the process): N95 Mask Decontamination using Standard Hospital Sterilization Technologies

Here's an msm report:
Alberta Health Services looking to sterilize and reuse N95 masks to prevent shortage - 660 NEWS
 
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FORCIBLY REMOVED: Eyewitness video shows a man being physically pulled off a Philadelphia bus by police after he was reportedly asked off for not wearing a mask amid the coronavirus outbreak, with city transit officials now rescinding that mask policy.

video
World News Tonight on Twitter

This reminds me of the people who restrained a man on the ground at the grocery store who was coughing all over the produce on purpose, iirc. I saw the photos and wondered if those patrons had now sadly and certainly exposed themselves with the physical contact, if he is indeed positive.

Which reminds me, so just off the top of my head, I can name 5 instances of idiot crazies purposely coughing, spitting on things.

There was the woman who coughed all over the produce and it all had to get chucked, thooousands of dollars worth.

There’s also the man I mentioned above. I think that was a separate instance from the woman.

Then there’s the amazon guy spitting on packages...(I didn’t watch the video, so not sure if he was being malicious or if he didn’t mean to do it/wasn’t thinking.)

Then there’s...I forgot the rest of the examples, but I counted them the other day in a phone conversation and it was 5. And that’s only the ones I’ve happened to hear about.
 
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Mask inquiry. I walk my two dogs, big apartment complex, multiple buildings, but I am never within six to ten feet of anyone, no one in halls, etc. Do I still wear a mask?

Masks are most important to prevent sick people from spreading the virus. There is mixed information about how long a germ can float in the air and how far people should remain from each other. People walk past my house with their dogs all day long. They walk on the road, and cross to the other side when someone is coming from the other direction.

I feel safe walking my dogs without a mask, but I'm not in an apartment. I would be more concerned about the elevator buttons and door handles than walking in hallways and between buildings.
 
  • #354
It is an interesting constitutional issue. Freedom of Religion, Right to Assemble...which, apparently in a situation of National Emergency can be suspended for public safety interests.

I have an interesting theory on this virus, what if there are asymptomatic people in society who are always going to carry the virus and infect others? A modern equivalent of "Typhoid Mary". What if we found one? What would society do with a person like that?

Mary Mallon - Wikipedia
It's Estimated 1 in 4 Coronavirus Carriers Could Be Asymptomatic. Here's What We Know

Yes - of course! Until there's a vaccine and even then there will be anti-vaxxers who get it.

What do you mean "what would a society do with people like that"?

We do nothing about the measles epidemics that have occurred in the past few years (in the US and elsewhere) because people have the right not to be vaccinated.

And "Society" is never going to agree on what to do. Even if laws are passed against anti-vaxxers, there is no way to enforce it and religion is a defense against having to comply. In the US, we'd have to amend the Constitution - and that ain't gonna happen.

Until everyone is vaccinated, CV-19 is out there; it's not going to go away. The fact that there are so many asymptomatic carriers just makes it that much harder.

This is why some of us oldsters are considering getting it now, when we still have a fighting chance. Heck, I read discussions among 50-somethings in my friend group every day, debating this. I'm trying to wait for the vaccine. Or at least a known and tested treatment. Anyone 40 and over should be thinking about these things seriously.

The fact that my future retirement life expectancy and lifestyle has been radically altered in so many ways is just another enduring aspect of this disease.

And it may not be the last of its type. The planet is warming, and bacterial infections do well in that environment, such as typhoid. Some viruses (dengue) also like warmth and is already pandemic in the tropics - soon, much more of the planet will be tropical (warmer and more humid).

It doesn't have to be a virus to be dangerous and most viruses seem not to like warmth (verdict is out on CV19 - it has been a winter virus so far, but very dangerous even in some warmer places - perhaps not as dangerous as in colder places, though).

Bacteria OTOH tend to thrive in warmth as do some dangerous parasites (like malaria, once completely eradicated in the US, but now popping up (though rare) in Texas.

Mosquito-transmitted malaria acquired in Texas. - PubMed - NCBI

Like West Nile virus, anything that causes more mosquitoes increases risk for malaria. Mosquitoes like warm and humid.

When people get sick, good societies treat them, employing resources to do so. When people get sick through their own stupidity, though, it's possible even a good society might get a little bent out of shape. Hard to say. People do stuff that's stupid all the time and get themselves sick or into accidents, we don't usually put them in prison for that.
 
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Mask inquiry. I walk my two dogs, big apartment complex, multiple buildings, but I am never within six to ten feet of anyone, no one in halls, etc. Do I still wear a mask?

Sure, it shows that you care. Someone could pop out and suddenly meet you in the hall. Maybe someone walked the hall 20 seconds before you got there and they left a plume. It will help prevent you from touching your face. It will prevent you from leaving a plume if you happened to be an asymptomatic carrier. There are lots of good reasons to wear a mask. Besides, they happen to be the latest fashion accessory.
 
  • #357
I'm not in favor of releasing any violent prisoners or even opportunist criminals at a time like this. Actually, it seems silly to release prisoners unless you're going to insure they have some place to go. Law Enforcement is burdened enough. All walks of life are being hit by this virus.

If you let them out then where are the prisoners going to go? Are they going to join the huge homeless population now staying in the convention centers and CV-19 shelters springing up? Or go stay with their families in isolation? What about the increase in Domestic Violence from being isolated with your newly released prisoner? Is someone going to keep track of what happened to them once released? It seems there's no gain for the general public in this idea? It's not like the prisoners are going to get out and get a good job when everybody else has lost their jobs. What's the point then to protect who? MOO, once we get reliable testing procedures working smoothly, then positive CV-19 prisoners can be separated within the jail and prison facilities. It's possible I don't understand this problem from all angles. Am I going to have to buy a gun to protect myself from the prisoners we're talking about releasing?

Opinions, from people like us, on these issues are different than calculated risk on these issues. There are so many people in prison for minor offenses, white collar crime, and soooooooo many other reasons. The issue of for-profit prisons is a horrible phenomenon in the US. I have to assume that the prison system is being somewhat strategic on who they let out. There will be mistakes... but letting a 66 year old sex offender out doesn't even bother me, if the system knows they are different than when they went in 30 years ago. If he has a home to go to, let him go and just be a slob at home. I understand where people are coming from on one level, but I do not think any of us know enough to make such blanket statements. I would listen to someone who really truly knows that the system in doing wrong, than all of us with couch opinions on the issue. If horrible things do start to happen, I will gladly change my opinion. But if it is a bunch of marijuana violators for the most part...so be it.
 
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  • #358
I don't know what I think about this. By doing that they are putting themselves at risk. Should they have just tasered and handcuffed him?

Tasered and handcuffed! Oh my!! That seems just so over-the-top. Perhaps they could just give him a mask.
 
  • #359
Masks are most important to prevent sick people from spreading the virus. There is mixed information about how long a germ can float in the air and how far people should remain from each other. People walk past my house with their dogs all day long. They walk on the road, and cross to the other side when someone is coming from the other direction.

I feel safe walking my dogs without a mask, but I'm not in an apartment. I would be more concerned about the elevator buttons and door handles than walking in hallways and between buildings.

I'd worry about the hallways a bit. Not so much between buildings. I haven't been using a mask for walks in our neighborhood, but there have been way more people out and about in the last few days (and we're peaking here in SoCal). So both of us in our household have agreed to stick to the house and backyard for another week. Or more. Probably overly cautious.
 
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MOO, cover your hair if possible, and even your eyes if possible. In that bottom pic, it looks like people are standing so close to one another, and some don't have masks on. Lines, long lines.

What has happened to me that I now see pony tails as virus collectors?

you missed the point of the article
the angle of the bottom pic does not reflect the reality
 
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