Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #46

[branmuffin]

We are doomed if we lose Fauci. Absolutely doomed.

Dr. Fauci isn't stupid. He's seen the way many individuals, experts in their own field, have been kicked to the curb for voicing disagreements with the current administration.

To remain the voice of experience and expertise for the general public you have to walk a tightrope of diplomacy; neither endorsing nor condemning Trump's musings of underplaying the virus or a Pollyanna-esque desire to return to normal. So it's understandable he may seem to contradict his own statements sometimes. And we can't forget that this virus is new and ongoing information is adjusting our attitudes and responses, including Trump and the experts, on this virus' affect on citizens the world over including a resurgence in those individuals already stricken in places like South Korea and Spain.

Everyone wants to return to normal, to start their lives back up, to go back to work, visiting loved ones and generally feeling hope for the future but that's a little hard to do when half your family might be decimated and your boss is dead.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Correct. Doing things in a methodical and collaborative way, not making any promises about dates or deadlines based on hope and other emotions rather than facts. Dates or deadlines that then get walked back because they weren't based on good info - just hope.

So it could be many months before it's absolutely safe to re-open. If that happens what kind of shape will the economy be in?

Did Cuomo address that at all?

 

[Reasonable & Just]

No new info at all was noted. Nada.

Just most of the NE Govs individually thanking Cuomo for his leadership, etc.
The NE states are working & coordinating w/ each other. We knew this.
One caller from each state was permitted to ask their gov one question.

This was not to dispense new info or announce anything we haven't heard from Cuomo before.
Must be some other motivation behind today's second presser imo.

This is new, to me anyway. I like that each state has representatives for their own interests as they collaborate:

Each state will appoint a public health official, economic official and Chief of Staff who will form a group on designing the plan that will also address public health concerns, as well as economic concerns.

From article I had linked before: Governors from NY, NJ, CT, PA, RI and DE to work together to begin reopening

For sure, it will be a long road, and many missteps along with the right steps.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

So it could be many months before it's absolutely safe to re-open. If that happens what kind of shape will the economy be in?

Did Cuomo address that at all?

Only to the extent that I answered in your post, as far as I've seen. I think we all know the economy is in bad, bad shape that will get worse as time passes with shutdowns. And "absolutely safe" is not (and never has been) a thing, in my opinion. The governors involved are realists, and I'm guessing "absolutely safe" is not their standard. JMO.

 

[NuttMegg]

This is new, to me anyway. I like that each state has representatives for their own interests as they collaborate:

Each state will appoint a public health official, economic official and Chief of Staff who will form a group on designing the plan that will also address public health concerns, as well as economic concerns.

From article I had linked before: Governors from NY, NJ, CT, PA, RI and DE to work together to begin reopening

For sure, it will be a long road, and many missteps along with the right steps.

Leadership, leadership.

 

[bluedivergirl]

An interesting video from Dr. Sandra Lee (Dr. Pimple Popper) on skin changes associated with CoVid -19

 

[PommyMommy]

BNO Newsroom on Twitter
New York Governor Cuomo on state's coronavirus outbreak: "I think you can say the worst is over"
11:54 AM - 13 Apr 2020

BNO Newsroom on Twitter
Cuomo: "The worst can be over, and it is over, unless we do something reckless. And you can turn those numbers on two or three days of reckless behavior"
12:19 PM - 13 Apr 2020

BNO Newsroom on Twitter
UK's chief scientific adviser says UK is starting to see the flattening of outbreak, but lifting lockdown too early would risk a 2nd wave and would be a "complete waste of everything everyone's done until now" - Sky
12:41 PM - 13 Apr 2020

CDC on Twitter
A new report in @CDCMMWR highlights how public policies in 4 U.S. cities helped ensure social distancing in their communities. CDC recommends staying home, washing hands, and using cloth face coverings to slow the spread of #COVID19.
Timing of Community Mitigation and Changes in Reported COVID-19 ...

1:05 PM - 13 Apr 2020

BNO Newsroom on Twitter
South Korea, at one point the worst affected country outside China, is no longer in the top 20 by number of confirmed coronavirus cases. Yesterday, there were only 9 new domestic cases
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
1:22 PM - 13 Apr 2020

BNO Newsroom on Twitter
BREAKING: French President Macron extends coronavirus lockdown until May 11
2:12 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Andrew Cuomo on Twitter
This is new terrain for all of us. As we make life-saving decisions there is strength in unity. Thank you for coordinating with us @GovMurphy, @GovNedLamont, @GovernorTomWolf, @JohnCarneyDE and @GovRaimondo.
2:16 PM - 13 Apr 2020

BNO Newsroom on Twitter
NEW: Number of confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide reaches 1.9 million, death toll approaching 120,000
Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
2:22 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Loren Adler on Twitter
.@ScottGottliebMD & @LaurenRSilvis lay out how employers can help keep ahead of COVID-19 by bringing testing to the workplace: Opinion | The Employer Will Test You Now
Guaranteeing sick leave, as discussed, is going to need to be legislated.

2:32 PM - 13 Apr 2020

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Only to the extent that I answered in your post, as far as I've seen. I think we all know the economy is in bad, bad shape that will get worse as time passes. And "absolutely safe" is not (and never has been) a thing, in my opinion. These governors are realists, and I'm guessing "absolutely safe" is not their standard. JMO.

So a certain number of preventable deaths is okay? I wonder what that number is.

If they go too slow and methodical and a complete collapse of the economy takes place the death toll could be terrible. JMO.

 

[otto]

This is new, to me anyway. I like that each state has representatives for their own interests as they collaborate:

Each state will appoint a public health official, economic official and Chief of Staff who will form a group on designing the plan that will also address public health concerns, as well as economic concerns.

From article I had linked before: Governors from NY, NJ, CT, PA, RI and DE to work together to begin reopening

For sure, it will be a long road, and many missteps along with the right steps.

Quebec has a plan

"But as the provincial government gets ready to make good on its promise to business owners, it is realizing they will be confronting a radically different global marketplace.
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"There is going to be a geopolitical environment of increased protectionism," he said.
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"Because depending on international markets will be less desirable, it will be very important for us to target what we want to protect in terms of supply chains." The best way to do that, Fitzgibbon said, is making parts of the Quebec economy less reliant on imports.

Quebec has already announced a buy-local initiative, the Panier Bleu, an inventory of made-in-Quebec products.
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"There is room to rethink the critical economic sectors in Quebec and Canada," she said, "as well as to think about where we would like to develop more capacity to be less dependent on external markets."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/covid-19-quebec-economy-protectionism-1.5528781

 

[Deleted member 158085]

What is this???
Trump says he has the authority to reopen. Really? According to this and a few other statements, he did not close businesses/cities/counties/states.

Trump Declares He Has Power to ‘Open Up’ States, Not Governors

Well, I will follow only what my governor decides. State’s rights and all that. <modsnip>

 

[Reasonable & Just]

So a certain number of preventable deaths is okay? I wonder what that number is.

If they go too slow and methodical and a complete collapse of the economy takes place the death toll could be terrible. JMO.

I can't even imagine what that number is. But we're living it now, aren't we? And, there are some who apparently do feel that way, like the TX Lt. Gov who talked about elderly people making sacrifices.

I doubt they'll go "too slow and methodical", leading to everyone dying of starvation. All of these states are pretty good at getting things done.

 

[Inthedetails]

Only to the extent that I answered in your post, as far as I've seen. I think we all know the economy is in bad, bad shape that will get worse as time passes. And "absolutely safe" is not (and never has been) a thing, in my opinion. The governors involved are realists, and I'm guessing "absolutely safe" is not their standard. JMO.

I would think that part of the slow opening would be changes in the workplace to ensure distancing. Staggering times for the start of the work day, lunch times, and end of day, for example. Tele-meetings from your desk, even with co-workers in the same building. Wearing mask in common areas - and wearing mask all the time for some workers like in hair salon, grocery, etc.

It will all have to be timed with the schools, too, since workers can't be at the workplace and watch their kids at the same time.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Per CNN: White House: Trump is not firing Fauci

The explanation is questionable. IMO, too many unhappy people about this.

Oh, I knew this was coming and I won’t even bother to read the explanation. As long as Fauci’s still with us, I’m good.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I can't even imagine what that number is. But we're living it now, aren't we? And, there are some who apparently do feel that way, like the TX Lt. Gov who talked about elderly people making sacrifices.

I doubt they'll go "too slow and methodical". All of these states are pretty good at getting things done.

I hope you're right.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

I would think that part of the slow opening would be changes in the workplace to ensure distancing. Staggering times for the start of the work day, lunch times, and end of day, for example. Tele-meetings from your desk, even with co-workers in the same building. Wearing mask in common areas - and wearing mask all the time for some workers like in hair salon, grocery, etc.

It will all have to be timed with the schools, too, since workers can't be at the workplace and watch their kids at the same time.

jmo

It's a hard undertaking, for sure. We definitely need a vaccine and good treatments.

 

[pocketaccent]

Coronavirus patient’s recovery after 20 days on ventilator is a miracle for family, a welcome boost for doctors – Daily Breeze
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Carson resident Ramon Zuniga — who spent 28 days in the intensive care unit, 20 of them in a coma on a ventilator — went home from Providence Little Company of Mary Medical Center Torrance on Easter Sunday.
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After nearly three weeks, Ramon Zuniga was finally brought off the ventilator. But he still had a lot of work to do. He had lost the ability to speak because of the intubation and his muscles were so weak that he lost the dexterity in his fingers. He still had the virus too, so he had to remain isolated.

Zuniga, who had no underlying health conditions, said he lost about 60 pounds through the ordeal (but he wouldn’t recommend it as a weight-loss strategy, he joked).
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Zuniga, like all ICU patients at Providence in Torrance, received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, which have shown success in some COVID-19 patients.
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He still experienced the ups and downs that have been widely characterized by COVID-19, the disease that results from the coronavirus. Hakim said they also put Zuniga on full anti-coagulants or blood thinners.

“We are starting to see studies on blood thinners showing blood clotting in lungs contributes to patients not consistently getting better,” Hakim said. “We think it’s waves of microthrombi getting in the lung and in other organs. We see liver and kidney injuries. Some are seeing clots in retina and toes, classic places to have clots.”
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[Deleted member 158085]

Dr Acton (Ohio) just said Ohioans will be wearing masks for the next year. DeWine live presser

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I trust this guy, too, although he’s not my governor.

 

[PommyMommy]

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
One in four Americans, 26%, say they personally know someone who has gotten the coronavirus, via new Monmouth poll just out.
1:08 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
Four in 10 Americans, 41%, say they have lost income due to a decrease in work hours or less business because of the coronavirus outbreak via new Monmouth poll.
1:10 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
One in five Americans, 22%, say they have struggled to pay their bills because of the coronavirus outbreak, via new Monmouth poll out today.
1:11 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
Almost one in four Americans, 23%, (!) say they need toilet paper but they cannot find it in stores or online via new Monmouth poll out today.
1:14 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
69% of Americans say they are "very hopeful" that they and their families will be able to get their lives back to normal after the outbreak is over via new Monmouth poll.
1:15 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
A majority of Americans, 55%, say their daily stress level has gone up because of the coronavirus outbreak via new Monmouth poll.
1:16 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
How concerned are you about someone in your family becoming seriously ill from the coronavirus outbreak? (via new Monmouth poll)
Democrats: 66% very concerned 33% less concerned
Republicans: 37% very concerned 61% less concerned
1:18 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
Have you personally lost income due to a decrease in work hours or less business because of the coronavirus outbreak? (via new Monmouth poll)
White: 35% lost income 65% didn't lose income
Non-white: 52% lost income 47% didn't lose income
1:28 PM - 13 Apr 2020

Ryan Struyk on Twitter
More than one in three Americans making less than $50,000 per year, 36%, say they have struggled to pay their bills because of the coronavirus outbreak via new Monmouth poll.
1:29 PM - 13 Apr 2020

 

[Inthedetails]

So a certain number of preventable deaths is okay? I wonder what that number is.

If they go too slow and methodical and a complete collapse of the economy takes place the death toll could be terrible. JMO.

I think a criterion that is considered is how many patients can the local hospitals handle? It's not that there is a certain number of deaths that is acceptable, but how many people can the hospitals handle without being overwhelmed and unable to function.

jmo

 

[pocketaccent]

Hi I just want to say that as we move into potentially, um, dangerous territory with this White House business, we must remember the words of Cuomo, that there’s no red and blue here, there is, or needs to be, “red, white AND blue”. As Dr. Tedros says, “We are fighting a common enemy”.

ETA: Seems this “tweet business” was all misinterpretation and misunderstanding? I’ll let the above quote stand just in case.

Press briefing at 5 PM ET today.
Live | The White House