Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #47

[Tillicum]

I was a farmers daughter and drank milk unpasteurized from the cows still warm and creamy. Until we stopped having a milking herd in the sixties.. It never hurt me and I still have all my own teeth. The milk went to the milk marketing board who bought it and pasteurized it for sale to the GP. To this day I love milk and milk products but drink pasteurized now. People eat cheese so I don't see the difference really. I hate to see the waste when there are kids who need it.

Most milk used for cheese is pasteurized now though.

 

[MarziPanda]

I totally get what you're saying and felt exactly the same way for many hours. Then I calmed down, especially after reading what Bill Gates said. WHO is an untrustworthy source of overall information, but it's the only agency trying to deal with this in Africa, parts of the Pacific and some areas in South America and Asia.

But I do really understand why the president reacted as he did - but it may be (like mine) rather knee jerk and unfortunately, a hard decision to undo for him to undo. I guess we'll see new organizations formed and stepping up. Perhaps WHO has run its course and this critical failure in regard to CoVid will be its end.

From an outsider's perspective (that is, I'm not American) the WHO have done a fantastic job so far. They really haven't put a foot wrong. It is NOT their responsibility to put plans into action, only to advise countries on what they should do. Which is what they did, with plenty of warning. <modsnip>

Unrelated to that, in countries that are further along the curve, schools do seem to be some of the first things reopening. In Denmark, children under 11 are returning to school first to lessen the burden on families with key workers (preventing the need for grandparents to provide childcare and put themselves in danger).

The results of a large scale randomised antibody test in Heinsberg were released and were very interesting but the article is both behind a paywall and entirely in German so it's not much use linking here.

I'm a key worker and bought my stepmum some flowers for Easter. She hugged me, and I wondered if maybe she shouldn't have. We live together (along with my dad) but I go to work and interact with many members of the public every day, she and my dad are both in their mid-70s and don't go out except once a day for a walk and once a week to shop. How sad the world we live in is right now, that I have to wonder if I can hug the people I live with...

 

[tresir2012]

Zoo says coronavirus may force it to feed animals to each other

Wouldn't you think the zoo could be open if people were limited in numbers and social distanced? Also, have German businesses not had any state aid or charitable donations? I'll have to go online to see those panda cubs.

 

[cody22]

@cody22
Please tell me you are not doing Gulf fishing!! Vibrio in water, flesh eating bacteria. It’s also in some bayous & creeks in South. Scary.. Dr Tony, whom is used to call DH—until he exposed me to Jesus knows what by going to a crawfish boil—once had a patient who was in Gulf near Lake Charles & got a puncture from a shrimp & he washed his hand in water.. I don’t want to say more. Warm waters can harbor death.

My wife, kids, and I love to wade/surf saltwater fish near Port Lavaca, Texas, in 3-4 feet of water( without the waves). Lots of redfish and speckled sea trout. The stingrays, jelly fish (I have been stabbed/stung by these before) , and sharks( we fish for these) do keep it exciting at times.....We mainly fish from a long dock out into the Bay/Gulf at any place we stay there. I wish we were there right now...............Stay safe......moo

 

[tresir2012]

From an outsider's perspective (that is, I'm not American) the WHO have done a fantastic job so far. They really haven't put a foot wrong. It is NOT their responsibility to put plans into action, only to advise countries on what they should do. Which is what they did, with plenty of warning. <modsnip>

Unrelated to that, in countries that are further along the curve, schools do seem to be some of the first things reopening. In Denmark, children under 11 are returning to school first to lessen the burden on families with key workers (preventing the need for grandparents to provide childcare and put themselves in danger).

The results of a large scale randomised antibody test in Heinsberg were released and were very interesting but the article is both behind a paywall and entirely in German so it's not much use linking here.

I'm a key worker and bought my stepmum some flowers for Easter. She hugged me, and I wondered if maybe she shouldn't have. We live together (along with my dad) but I go to work and interact with many members of the public every day, she and my dad are both in their mid-70s and don't go out except once a day for a walk and once a week to shop. How sad the world we live in is right now, that I have to wonder if I can hug the people I live with...

It is a strange world yes. But if you interact with the public at work then I guess your parents will be at risk, so don't take unnecessary risks. Regarding WHO, why did they not declare CV19 a pandemic before 11 Mar ? That is what I cannot understand. It left China's borders in January or possibly even earlier. I was amazed when I looked at the WHO statistical reports to see how it spread so quickly from Wuhan, mainly by air travel.

 

[The Night Watchman]

I went to the grocery store today. The bagging lady was elderly, I would guess between 65 and 70, and seemed frail. She didn't appear like she really wanted to be there.

Was she required to by the employer? She is a front line worker and is at greatly elevated risk. Did she work because she needed the income? I hope not, but probably...

In MA and CT, 83% of the deaths are those above 70 years old. 2% of the deaths were between the ages of 0 and 50. Deaths at younger ages were typically accompanied by pre-existing conditions. The elderly and those with pre-existing conditions are the people that need protection and isolation during this time.

I hope a "solution" to opening the economy, includes protective measures for the working vulnerable. My bagging lady shouldn't have to work to pay her bills in this dangerous time. Once we start getting back to work, wouldn't a fair approach be to give stay-at-home full pay (unemployment) to the working vulnerable, and keep them out of harms way. The economic cost seems small compared to what we are doing now.

ETA- it looks like a 14 day stay in ICU with a ventilator costs around $66,000. The vulnerable are those most likely to need ICU. It might actually be cost-effective to pay the vulnerable front liners to stay home during dangerous periods.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ay_The_contribution_of_mechanical_ventilation

 

[Gardener1850]

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[NuttMegg]

Smithfield Foods closes two more plants

 

[tresir2012]

Most milk used for cheese is pasteurized now though.

Here's a list. There are still a lot of famous cheeses still made with raw milk. But my point is the milk still doesn't need to be thrown away. It can be made into ice cream, yoghurt. cheese, butter, etc.

"Raw Milk Cheeses | Marcella The Cheesemonger" Raw Milk Cheeses

 

[NuttMegg]

Bank of America CEO to Trump: Focus on virus first, not return to normalcy
Moynihan told reporters that in the "war" against the virus "you have to work hardest to protect the people who are fighting the war for you."

A key member of President Donald Trump's new advisory committee on reopening the economy is signaling that the administration should stay focused on fighting the coronavirus and keeping Americans financially stable rather than immediately getting people back to business as usual.

Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan told reporters Wednesday that in the "war" against the virus "you have to work hardest to protect the people who are fighting the war for you" — medical professionals and first responders. Second, he said, there is a need to provide financial protection to people who lost jobs because of the nationwide shutdown, via unemployment benefits, stimulus payments and small-business assistance.

"We're trying to give them the advice, the more you can keep people stabilized in their ability to meet their obligations and keep their family fed and housed and things like that, that is what you should be focused on until you can reopen the economy," he said on a call to discuss the bank's latest earnings report.

Moynihan indicated that Bank of America is in no rush to call its employees back to the company's offices."

 

[tresir2012]

I went to the grocery store today. The bagging lady was elderly, I would guess between 65 and 70, and seemed frail. She didn't appear like she really wanted to be there.

Was she required to by the employer? She is a front line worker and is at greatly elevated risk. Did she work because she needed the income? I hope not, but probably...

In MA and CT, 83% of the deaths are those above 70 years old. 2% of the deaths were between the ages of 0 and 50. Deaths at younger ages were typically accompanied by pre-existing conditions. The elderly and those with pre-existing conditions are the people that need protection and isolation during this time.

I hope a "solution" to opening the economy, includes protective measures for the working vulnerable. My bagging lady shouldn't have to work to pay her bills in this dangerous time.

Once we start getting back to work, wouldn't a fair approach be to give stay-at-home full pay (unemployment) to the working vulnerable, and keep them out of harms way. The economic cost seems small compared to what we are doing now.

Nobody needs to bag groceries. Put it all in the trolley and take it to the car and unload it into boxes or bags already in the car. That lady should be drawing an old age pension and be at home. MOO.

 

[NuttMegg]

‘It Really Is the Perfect Storm’: Coronavirus Comes for Rural America

 

[LadyL]

The new coronavirus kills by inflaming and clogging the tiny air sacs in the lungs, choking off the body’s oxygen supply until it shuts down the organs essential for life.

But clinicians around the world are seeing evidence that suggests the virus also may be causing heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...ZThmbPFGre9BgFtJnSunKPHLv9Bras7pkuOwCM63iihfY

 

[oviedo]

I’m not seeing a viable safe way for family to visit their parents/grandparents in person for a long time.

What about the clear plastic shower curtain method ? You can hug through it wearing masks as a precaution ? Someone clipped it on a clothesline ?

 

[MimosaMornings]

Nobody needs to bag groceries. Put it all in the trolley and take it to the car and unload it into boxes or bags already in the car. That lady should be drawing an old age pension and be at home. MOO.

I’ve never worked for a company with a company pension plan and neither has hub.
A 401k - yes.
Got to have a hardship exception to get that 401k money out.
I can start drawing social security at 67 and a half and hub is later than me.
A lot of us have to work until we can draw social security - especially now since our 401k is a lot less. We had just met with our financial planner in January and thought we had a plan and would be ok.
Well - that’s shot all to heck now!

 

[oviedo]

Recipients of Coronavirus Stimulus Checks Include the Recently Deceased

Recipients of Coronavirus Stimulus Checks Include the Recently Deceased

Of course - apparently the IRS database doesn’t communicate with the SS database? I can understand issuing them for recently deceased - say 30? Days ? I haven’t read the article but if it is issuing checks to those deceased awhile ago - my experiment of making an online payment will fail... sigh

 

[Tillicum]

I’ve never worked for a company with a company pension plan and never has hub.
A 401k - yes.
Got to have a hardship exception to get that 401k money out.
I can start drawing social security at 67 and a half and hub is later than me.
A lot of us have to work until we can draw social security - especially now since our 401k is a lot less. We had just met with our financial planner in January and thought we had a plan and would be ok.
Well - that’s shot all to heck now!

I'm so sorry to hear this. We have to hope our 401k's will get back up there.

 

[oviedo]

I’ve never worked for a company with a company pension plan and never has hub.
A 401k - yes.
Got to have a hardship exception to get that 401k money out.
I can start drawing social security at 67 and a half and hub is later than me.
A lot of us have to work until we can draw social security - especially now since our 401k is a lot less. We had just met with our financial planner in January and thought we had a plan and would be ok.
Well - that’s shot all to heck now!

I ran actuarial tables for 62 vS 67 vS 70 - I’m doing 62
JMO

 

[Sundog]

Coronavirus Live Updates: Business Executives Call for More Testing; Trump’s W.H.O. Attack Is Condemned
"But another issue of great concern to the executives on the call, the person said, was the need to address the liability companies could face if employees were to get sick after returning to work. Workers who felt that they were brought back too soon or were not placed in an adequately safe environment could sue en masse. Details of the call were first reported by The Wall Street Journal."
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I predict that the administration will protect these large corporations from the threat of liability as mentioned above. To be tucked into one of the large bills now being designed. If that happens, the corporations will back off the worry of being sued for not testing, and the admin will win by not needing to provide adequate testing. IMO

Public schools, colleges and universities are exempt from these lawsuits, so these employees won't have that recourse to file a lawsuit. Perhaps those employees who have collective bargaining will be able to exert some pressure on public employers, but as long as public employers are following state guidelines, they will probably be protected. People not in collective bargaining/unions, will have no recourse.

 

[ilovewings]

I don't regret it; especially considering that this was the doofus (#sorrynotsorry) telling us not to wear masks.

I've said from the beginning, telling laypeople on the street not to wear masks has nothing to do with whether or not they would benefit from the masks; it has to do with the WHO not wanting the medical professionals to run out of masks.

Which is fine and dandy, until the state/country/principality in question decides they're going to make the wearing of masks by every layperson on the street mandatory, and people can no longer find masks, or worse, have already sickened; specifically because they believed this guidance.

That lousy advice surely cost lives and cannot be defended