Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #47

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  • #901
So far doesn't appear to be any good news regarding any drug treatments for covid.
"Now, there are many more trials underway, and I very much look forward to their readouts. But when you look over the actual controlled data that we have so far for hydroxychloroquine, those previous links plus what we have today, the case for the drug is not encouraging at all. There is one small trial (from China) that showed some positive results, and data from China, Brazil, and France that show no benefit for either hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine itself and (in some cases) evidence of actual harm. The trials that are yet to report are going to have to start showing some strong positive effects if this story is going to have a good ending."
More Small Molecule Clinical Data Against Covid-19, As of April 16
 
  • #902
Elon Musk's promised ventilators never delivered to California hospitals, governor’s office says (CNN)

But despite the claims, none of the ventilators promised by Musk have been delivered to hospitals, according to the governor's office.

“Elon Musk and his team told the state that he had procured ventilators and wanted to distribute them directly to hospitals with shortages,” a spokesperson for the California governor’s Office of Emergency Services told CNN on Wednesday. “The Administration is communicating every day with hospitals across the state about their ventilator supply and to date we have not heard of any hospital system that has received a ventilator directly from Tesla or Musk.”
Spokespersons for Tesla did not return CNN requests for comment. The news was first reported by the Sacramento Bee.


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  • #904
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U.S. not remotely ready to re-open, according to WHO criteria
 
  • #905
The Plan for reopening "Work for America" 1a8a55a6-68f9-4b76-8e02-01779290c1a5.

This type of thinking really bothers me, from the above plan:

"Tightening of mitigation measures will be needed if signs of increased
transmission create strain to the public health or health system capacity are
detected. When indicators signal a return to sufficient public health and health
system capacity, mitigation measures can again be loosened."
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IE cases & deaths don't matter as long as the hospitals have capacity. It's really hard for me to believe that the CDC and FDA allowed their names to be put on this document.


It's like deciding to quit taking an antibiotic before the prescribed length of treatment. Your infection comes back so you go back on antibiotics again. You quit taking them before the required length of treatment because the infection appears to clear up and ....Voila! a few days later it comes back again, only this time you find you're antibiotic resistant and you're basically screwed.
 
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What a nightmare! Sam's Club A mom dragging her hollering toddler by the arm to check out. Dad was scanning groceries while mom stood by checkout. Meanwhile toddler walked around and up to the shopping cart to suck on the cart handle. A couple of minutes later mom grabbed child that started hollering again and the family headed out.
 
  • #908
What a nightmare! Sam's Club A mom dragging her hollering toddler by the arm to check out. Dad was scanning groceries while mom stood by checkout. Meanwhile toddler walked around and up to the shopping cart to suck on the cart handle. A couple of minutes later mom grabbed child that started hollering again and the family headed out.
Why didn’t one of them stay home with that toddler!
 
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  • #909
Small business rescue program runs out of money amid political standoff

Thousands of small business owners across the U.S. have been left in the lurch as the popular federal government-backed loan program meant to save them and protect worker paychecks in the pandemic fallout officially ran out of money Thursday morning.
This is unacceptable to me. How is this going to be resolved? How many people are suffering right now due to legislative gridlock? Yuck. JMO.
 
  • #910
Because it is NCAA and college level sports, the student-athletes don't have contracts, but the NCAA does need to look at their rules and student-athletes' scholarships, etc. and also recruiting regulations. ESPN will undoubtedly work with colleges and universities on safety issues. I saw a reference in the news that Tony Fauci said that this fall there may be athletic contests played out without fans in the audience.
That would be good, assuming there was frequent testing, as some of these kids are playing for future careers in athletics, the scouts need to see them if only on replay. But IMO they have to test asymptomatic athletes too. I suspect the kids with the most star power will INSIST on good testing, the sport can be their whole future. Also, the other kids even if not in the university at the time will have school spirit to ignite them.
 
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  • #911
Testing testing testing, why doesn't the federal government do it with the DPA?.
This was a brand new virus, thus we did not have any tests at the start of this crisis. It took awhile to develop them.
 
  • #912
I ran actuarial tables for 62 vS 67 vS 70 - I’m doing 62
JMO
I did 62 as well, several years ago. Never regretted it.
 
  • #913
This is unacceptable to me. How is this going to be resolved? How many people are suffering right now due to legislative gridlock? Yuck. JMO.
There is a legislative package ready to be voted upon. But the congress refuses to vote on it and is delaying it purposely by refusing to do so. :mad:
 
  • #914
This was a brand new virus, thus we did not have any tests at the start of this crisis. It took awhile to develop them.
I'm talking about now. <1% of the population being tested is not a standard to settle for.
 
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  • #916
So far doesn't appear to be any good news regarding any drug treatments for covid.
"Now, there are many more trials underway, and I very much look forward to their readouts. But when you look over the actual controlled data that we have so far for hydroxychloroquine, those previous links plus what we have today, the case for the drug is not encouraging at all. There is one small trial (from China) that showed some positive results, and data from China, Brazil, and France that show no benefit for either hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine itself and (in some cases) evidence of actual harm. The trials that are yet to report are going to have to start showing some strong positive effects if this story is going to have a good ending."
More Small Molecule Clinical Data Against Covid-19, As of April 16

Doctors are prescribing different drugs based on the condition of their patient. That's the way it has always worked. Tom Hank's wife was given it and she reported serious side effects but she's alive and at home. Doctors manage side effects and try something else if there is no improvement.
JMO

Doctors in China, South Korea, France and the U.S. are now giving the drug to some patients with COVID-19 with promising, albeit anecdotal, results so far. The FDA is organizing a formal clinical trial of the drug.

As of Feb. 23, seven clinical trials had been registered in the Chinese Clinical Trial Registry to test whether COVID-19 infections could be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In addition, the University of Minnesota is studying whether taking hydroxychloroquine can protect people living with infected COVID-19 patients from catching the virus themselves.

Treatments for COVID-19: Drugs being tested against coronavirus | Live Science
 
  • #917
Am I the only one who feels like all this talk of re-opening by May 1st is a bunch of hot air? Perhaps I'm being too pessimistic about this, but I don't expect much of anything to re-open that soon at all. I think they are trying to keep the markets from dropping too low and prevent rioting by telling people things may open again in approx 2 weeks. If they told us that we will likely be "staying at home" for the rest of 2020, then many people would not be able to cope with that. However, most people could dig in and do another "2 weeks" of self-isolation if they believe they will see the end of it after that. But when we get to that May 1st date I fully expect they will say we need to keep on "staying home" for another 2 weeks. And so on and so on, I think the "reopen" date will just keep getting pushed back every couple weeks... :confused:o_O:eek:

MOO.
Agree opening May 1 is a pipe dream. I'm accepting we are in isolation for the long run. Prepared to be on lockdown through the end of 2020. It is what it is.
 
  • #918
That is pretty much what my husband thinks. He is done with "living like a housecat". He has made appointments for things he wants to do, and is ready to move on with living his life.

He refuses to live the rest of his life in the house. Not seeing his friends or family. Okay.
Good luck with that. Stay safe.
 
  • #919
Well, the trial results are coming back so far, it's not looking promising whatsoever. Using the meds without clinical trials doesn't tell you anything. Individual person getting meds and recovering could have recovered without any of these meds just as well.
For instance, I might get sick and decide to eat apples. If I recover I could claim it was due to apples. Which is why you need to feed hundreds of people apples, and compare them with people who don't eat apples, and see if it really makes a difference.
Otherwise you are giving people useless and potentially dangerous drugs for no reason.
 
  • #920
California's Newsom announces $125M fund to give coronavirus stimulus checks to immigrants in state illegally

California's Newsom announces $125M fund to give coronavirus stimulus checks to immigrants in state illegally

This makes no sense to me....I admit that I do not know a lot about how illegal immigrants live (jobs or support from government) in California. But still does not sound right.
Couldn't that money be filtered into the small businesses that are hurting the worst?

There are all kinds of reasons, with a long history. Small businesses are getting other aid. But the small businesses depend on the labor of many of those undocumented workers.

In the UK, where anti-immigrant sentiment is very high, and they effectively have barred all Romanian labor - they've quietly (almost secretly) had to import thousands of Romanians, to work for very little money, or else their fruit isn't getting picked. Thousands of bushels of fruit crops have wasted. England has a real problem right now with food security, for obvious reasons.

So these lucky Romanians get to pack onto a plane, during a pandemic, be transported to low quality housing, work long hours, and get sent home with a check.

We don't do that in California. We did it a long time ago (google the Bracero Program) and it didn't work. It was so hard on the children of the families (unlike UK, we don't fly people in - they come across land). We're not. big into family separation in California. Most of us believe that all workers should be treated with dignity

So, since we need fruit pickers here (badly) and we export enough produce from California to feed several other states, it's important that even those these workers do not meed federal standards for entering the US, we have them here.

They are small in number. They are permitted to send their kids to school. They have to be vaccinated to go to school, just like everyone else. We know where they live, they have to provide utility bills or housing contract to go to school. That way, health improves and criminality is reduced.

So don't worry about how California is doing it. We've got an economy that recognizess all essential workers.

I'm listening to Gov Newsom's live conference right now. He is talking about how in our second list of objectives, we have to secure our food supply. It's picking season for many crops, and it's also packing season so that people outside of the Central Valley and outside of California can get food - that may include some of you here on WS.

We produce almost all your almond milk, for example. Shelf stable and fresh alike. Many of those workers are undocumented because the federal government doesn't think they qualify to be "essential." But no one else will pick almonds. So California officially regards them as essential and treats them as essential.

Strawberries, lemons, limes, oranges, avocados, tangerines are all going from field to market right now. We hear the lemon trains every morning. The workers at the lemonade/lemon juice plant are about 10% undocumented, the rest are legal residents. Right now, that plant is shut down and soon the refrigerators will be full, so Gov Newsom is authorizing food production workers to go back to work, with a specific social distancing plan (and masks).

Personally, I like citrus. I can live without strawberries. Lots of people get frozen strawberries, apparently. If that industry fails, I'm not sure the owners have the means to restart easily - eventually, sure. But no rancher I know is making huge money, they are making an okay living, the workers (documented or not) get $15 an hour, but that doesn't go far in California. With 4 wage earners in a household, though, it's a good living - and that's how most agricultural workers live. It's worse in most other states.
 
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