Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #48

[RoadToSerfdom]

I have to wonder how awful this experience is for people who suffer from mental illness. For example, ocd having anything to do with germ/handwashing and similar I would think could become totally intolerable in this environment. As well as hypochondria or similar anxiety disorder.

That is interesting would the character Monk be loving the social distancing or be even more scared knowing of the virus?

 

[Herat]

Wuhan Tests Show Coronavirus ‘Herd Immunity’ Is a Long Way Off

Serology testing from Wuhan indicates only 2-3% have antibody among 8,600 hospital workers and visitors, with much more testing in the works Wuhan Tests Show Coronavirus ‘Herd Immunity’ Is a Long Way Off
by @JNBPage (where there were >50,000 confirmed cases) Eric Topol on Twitter

Wuhan Tests Show Coronavirus ‘Herd Immunity’ Is a Long Way Off

Scott Gottlieb
In Wuhan scientists conducted antibody tests on 3,600 hospital employees, 5,000 visitors; shows about 2.5% positivity for exposure - surprisingly low.
Accumulating evidence shows overall U.S. exposures likely to be lower than once presumed, 2-5% nationally, more in hot spots.

Scott Gottlieb, MD on Twitter

This is actually disturbing news.

If we can't develop herd immunity by infection, we must rely very heavily on a vaccine and this actually makes me worried about the effectiveness of a vaccine.

Otherwise, it's likely outbreak after outbreak and variable spots of isolation when there are outbreaks.

 

[margarita25]

That is interesting would the character Monk be loving the social distancing or be even more scared knowing of the virus?

I’ve actually talked to someone about this who has clinical OCD and severe germaphobia.

A main theme was that this has always been their norm, excessive hand washing, worrisome thoughts, deep understanding of cross contamination, contagions and pathogens...etc., so if anything, it’s some relief because now they don’t feel as crazy. What they have always perceived to be a “real threat” has finally presented itself. It’s now just more visible and extreme.

If anyone is “equipped” to protect themselves, it is one who has already been living with germaphobic rituals.

That’s one side of it. Moo.

 

[10ofRods]

This is actually disturbing news.

If we can't develop herd immunity by infection, we must rely very heavily on a vaccine and this actually makes me worried about the effectiveness of a vaccine.

Otherwise, it's likely outbreak after outbreak and variable spots of isolation when there are outbreaks.

Yes. My husband and I are spending a bit of time trying to come to terms with what all this means.

I try to keep in mind that the overall mortality rate is about 1% (actually 0.7% for people my age and health .005 for my husband). As long as we make progress on treatment (which is chaos right now), I have a 99% chance of living for another wave. And then another wave - and then another.

Each time older, each time shaving off life expectancy. To be expected as one ages, but this is rather a sudden change for us. We aren't retired. We're not retirement age yet (it's 67.5 or something I think).

Late night thoughts, anyway. I do think the chances of all of us healthier older people getting through this will improve with the proper anti-virals, possibly plasma as well. Good lifestyle choices. But it's very grim that some younger people (40-55 especially) are facing the same type of statistic, especially healthcare workers. Teachers. Transport workers. Military.

 

[10ofRods]

I’ve actually talked to someone about this who has clinical OCD and severe germaphobia.

A main theme was that this has always been their norm, excessive hand washing, worrisome thoughts, deep understanding of cross contamination, contagions and pathogens...etc., so if anything, it’s some relief because now they don’t feel as crazy. What they have always perceived to be a “real threat” has finally presented itself. It’s now just more visible and extreme.

If anyone is “equipped” to protect themselves, it is one who has already been living with germaphobic rituals.

That’s one side of it. Moo.

Sort of. But psychiatrists are noticing that these people are also freaking out, as their worst nightmare has come true and they're really needing atavin and xanax.

 

[margarita25]

Sort of. But psychiatrists are noticing that these people are also freaking out, as their worst nightmare has come true and they're really needing atavin and xanax.

Indeed. That’s why I said “one side of it”.

ETA:
If they already don’t use public restrooms, etc, there’s less of a transition and behavioral changes that need to be made, therefore less shocking lifestyle wise overall. I’m certainly not saying it’s not traumatic because we know that’s not true.

How’s Howie Mandel I wonder?

 

[branmuffin]

I'm not sure I will ever muster the courage again....buffets or cruises....I will miss them...

I like to cruise and I can do it without going near a buffet. While most mill around the breakfast buffet my husband and I go to the dining room where a waiter comes with a menu and I can order runny poached eggs on English muffins and a pot of tea. It's serene looking out at the ocean while eating my eggs and sipping my tea. Without having to witness someone put two eggs, five pieces of bacon, 3 slices of bread, sausages, French toast, sliced cheese, and fruit salad all on one plate.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

This website has changed a bit. Now, in addition to predicting the peak resource usage date, it also gives a date of when each state might be able to start opening. My state is a month away from that, according to this.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

 

[firebird]

I’ve actually talked to someone about this who has clinical OCD and severe germaphobia.

A main theme was that this has always been their norm, excessive hand washing, worrisome thoughts, deep understanding of cross contamination, contagions and pathogens...etc., so if anything, it’s some relief because now they don’t feel as crazy. What they have always perceived to be a “real threat” has finally presented itself. It’s now just more visible and extreme.

If anyone is “equipped” to protect themselves, it is one who has already been living with germaphobic rituals.

That’s one side of it. Moo.

So they feel "normalized." Interesting. Thanks for the anecdote. I don't know anyone personally who suffers - at least that I know of. I'm thinking it would be fairly obvious in someone you saw on a daily basis, but maybe not.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

imagine if we had a WS cruise and a murder occurred on board!

The way we get along sometimes on here, I’d say that would be a real possibility.

 

[margarita25]

Anyone feeling stiff, etc.? Stretch carefully and often, moo. This is something I’m reallllyyyy trying to keep up with. We are moving less, steps, etc. I recommend additional focus on this area in order to maintain mobility and avoid muscle pain, etc. moo.

 

[firebird]

This website has changed a bit. Now, in addition to predicting the peak resource usage date, it also gives a date of when each state might be able to start opening. My state is a month away from that, according to this.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Not sure how reliable that information is. According to the data at the link, my state "peaked" many days ago and has very few deaths, yet the link is saying that social distancing measures can be relaxed, maybe, in June. Which is later than the same date in the state you linked, which hasn't even peaked yet, according to their own data. Plus, I believe that's the source of the "model" that's been significantly revised down more than once.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...ts-estimates-downward-not-every-model-agrees/

 

[RoadToSerfdom]

I'm sorry but I don't believe you can find any juried scientific publication with those "facts" about HIV in it. But there are tons of articles saying that HIV has nothing to do with CoVid. It is not man-made.

Humans let it get transmitted though.

Great point, I am not saying it is defiantly synthetic man made but up until Jan 2020 China owned the Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and I am sure they own hundreds of other professors and departments around the country that have not been outed yet. I am sure the professors paid under the table by China would be the first to jump in and publish these types of studies saying China is innocent. That would be expected. Could they be telling the truth? Sure, but it is not really strong evidence one way or the other so soon.

In any case if all humans did is transfer it across different animals in a lab ultimately causing it to mutate into human transferable form that would not be synthetic and the researchers would be telling the truth about that but it would in IMO be considered man-made, kind of an undetectable man made.

Kind of like the difference between GMO or GEO or crop breeding. All three are man-made in my mind but only GEO and I think GMO can be identified as being engineered.

 

[Lilibet]

I’ve actually talked to someone about this who has clinical OCD and severe germaphobia.

A main theme was that this has always been their norm, excessive hand washing, worrisome thoughts, deep understanding of cross contamination, contagions and pathogens...etc., so if anything, it’s some relief because now they don’t feel as crazy. What they have always perceived to be a “real threat” has finally presented itself. It’s now just more visible and extreme.

If anyone is “equipped” to protect themselves, it is one who has already been living with germaphobic rituals.

That’s one side of it. Moo.

True, but they would be even less likely to feel tormented enough to seek help because what they feared has become “real” and they were “right” all along. But maybe that’s a blessing?

 

[Tadpole12]

Indeed. That’s why I said “one side of it”.

ETA:
If they already don’t use public restrooms, etc, there’s less of a transition and behavioral changes that need to be made, therefore less shocking lifestyle wise overall. I’m certainly not saying it’s not traumatic because we know that’s not true.

How’s Howie Mandel I wonder?

Howie Mandel (@howiemandel) on Twitter

Looks like he's trying to promote small business in America
and shooting his show remotely.

 

[KALI]

All of the countries infected by China. Need to sue China.
Certainly for billions of dollars.
Everyway since Sunday.
The only way China will stop their dangerous, frig you to the rest of the world, is for them to be shunned to the point, that their communist leaders can no longer live in their Mansions .
Canada, Germany, USA, Britain and more must come together and together, punish the Chinese leaders with a huge hammer.
We have to stop China from continuing to release viruses into our countries.
Start with. No Chinese allowed to travel into our countries.
Period.
All business can be done by remote phones and apps that allow virtual meetings.
All containers of Chinese goods, need to sit for days, until we are sure their virus has died due to lack of a human it can infect.

 

[Sprockett7701]

Australia

If someone can cross post to the Aussie thread for me, that would be awesome, I’m not that good at finding threads!!

Just curious as to what peeps think about this?

Australians will not be forced to download COVID-19 tracking app — 9news.com.au

Would you sign up? Do you think they’re tracking us anyway? I have to admit I’m not jumping on the App Store...but I rarely leave my house even when we’re not in iso so idk...

 

[Tillicum]

Australia

If someone can cross post to the Aussie thread for me, that would be awesome, I’m not that good at finding threads!!

Just curious as to what peeps think about this?

Australians will not be forced to download COVID-19 tracking app — 9news.com.au

Would you sign up? Do you think they’re tracking us anyway? I have to admit I’m not jumping on the App Store...but I rarely leave my house even when we’re not in iso so idk...

No way would I sign up. Nope.

 

[margarita25]

Australia

If someone can cross post to the Aussie thread for me, that would be awesome, I’m not that good at finding threads!!

Just curious as to what peeps think about this?

Australians will not be forced to download COVID-19 tracking app — 9news.com.au

Would you sign up? Do you think they’re tracking us anyway? I have to admit I’m not jumping on the App Store...but I rarely leave my house even when we’re not in iso so idk...

Well USA knew where all the Spring breakers went.

That article would be interesting to revisit.

 

[Bravo]

Australia

If someone can cross post to the Aussie thread for me, that would be awesome, I’m not that good at finding threads!!

Just curious as to what peeps think about this?

Australians will not be forced to download COVID-19 tracking app — 9news.com.au

Would you sign up? Do you think they’re tracking us anyway? I have to admit I’m not jumping on the App Store...but I rarely leave my house even when we’re not in iso so idk...

Australia & New Zealand - COVID-19 Coronavirus