Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #50

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  • #101
Hi, everybody! :)
Here is an Italian research paper on Covid- 19, identifying it as a vascular, not a respiratory disease.

Abstract:

"The symptoms most commonly reported by patients affected by coronavirus disease 2019
(COVID-19) include cough, fever, and shortness of breath.

However, other major events usually
observed in COVID-19 patients (e.g. high blood pressure, thrombosis, pulmonary embolism) seem to suggest that the virus is targeting the endothelium, one of the largest organs in the human body.

Herein, we report both clinical and preclinical evidence supporting the hypothesis that the
endothelium is a key target organ of COVID-19."


More at link:

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0204/v1/download
 
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So, I am a "Princess Cruise" Platinum member or whatever it is called...and just received a lengthy e-mail from the company. It explains about how they will focus on health screening for passengers, and crew. Access to hand sanitizers, sanitizer stations on the ship, increased hand washing access for crew members and passengers...blah, blah, goes on for quite a bit.

So, jeez, didn't they wash hands before? :eek:

Our opinion now of cruises? We don't see any problems with short, time limited cruises. 4-5 days. Not for us, but I think that the cruise ship industry will come back.
 
  • #104
It is the time to find out why and where the virus started in China, and how we can prevent it from happening again. Solidarity is great, but part of solidarity is not hiding the truth, and providing full details of what happened.
Exactly. Of course they don't want finger pointing---they want to deflect, and not discuss the origins.
 
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Exactly. Of course they don't want finger pointing---they want to deflect, and not discuss the origins.
The US would be the same way. I mean, we have people here who won’t even acknowledge the virus is a real thing!
 
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The US would be the same way. I mean, we have people here who won’t even acknowledge the virus is a real thing!
I don't think there are very many people who don't believe it is a real thing. Anyone can see that NYC and New Orleans and Los Angeles and many other hotspots have many patients dying.

But there are some who believe that the other, less affected areas, should be allowed to re open.
 
  • #110
It is the time to find out why and where the virus started in China, and how we can prevent it from happening again. Solidarity is great, but part of solidarity is not hiding the truth, and providing full details of what happened.

Indeed.

Additionally, what happened with Dr. LW and all the coverup and silencing of their (now missing) citizen journalists, etc. is unacceptable (and scary).

What happened to Chen Q, Fang Bin, and the missing others?? Any news at all? :(

Quick reference:
Another citizen journalist covering the coronavirus has gone missing in Wuhan
Feb 12

Whistleblowing coronavirus doctor at Wuhan hospital mysteriously vanishes
Apr 1

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Oh article from 3 days ago:
China's disappeared: What happened to those who dared to speak up about coronavirus? | Daily Mail Online

4 days ago:
2 Wuhan whistleblowers missing months after helping expose coronavirus outbreak, activists say

Coronavirus: Two Bloggers Who Exposed The Real Situation In Wuhan Still Nowhere To Be Found

5 days ago:
Three coronavirus whistleblowers still missing after two months | Metro News

6 days ago:
Coronavirus China: Three whistle-blowers missing two months on | Daily Mail Online

1 week ago:
Fang Bin and Chen Qiushi took the blade from the mouth: So, they disappeared without a trace | The Global Domain News

3 weeks ago:
US lawmaker seeks inquiry into disappearance of Chinese journalists

@Tadpole12 , @JerseyGirl


Remember I said back then I thought they’d never be seen again..:( :(

Shudder

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They Documented the Coronavirus Crisis in Wuhan. Then They Vanished.

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China's disappeared: What happened to those who dared to speak up about coronavirus? | Daily Mail Online

“Their fate is unknown but human rights groups believe Mr Fang – along with lawyer Chen Qiushi and former state TV reporter Li Zehua – are being tortured and forced to write confessions in extrajudicial detention centres where, in more normal times, Chinese police secretly terrorise lawyers and activists who are seen as enemies of the state.”

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“The Chinese government has been silent over the fate of the whistle-blowers but all three are believed to be in secret detention centres – a sinister form of extrajudicial imprisonment described by officials as ‘residential surveillance at a designated location’.

Frances Eve, deputy director of research at Hong Kong-based watchdog Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD), said: ‘Everyone who has disappeared is at very high risk of torture – most likely to try to force them to confess that their activities were criminal or harmful to society.

‘Then, as we’ve seen in previous cases, people who have been disappeared will be brought out and forced to confess on Chinese state television.’”

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“China has denied knowledge of the disappearance of the whistle-blowers. The Chinese ambassador to the US, Cui Tiankai, has been asked twice in TV interviews about the fate of Chen Qiushi, insisting angrily in the second interview in March: ‘I have not heard of this person… I did not know him then, and I do not know him now.’

The only disappeared person China has made any official comment on is billionaire property tycoon Ren Zhiqiang, 69, who vanished in March after calling President Xi Jinping a clown for mishandling the virus outbreak.”

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“She added: ‘There’s a Chinese phrase that you kill the chicken to scare the monkey. The arrest of the eight doctors, including Dr Li, at the beginning of January was a signal to people to be silent about the coronavirus.’

-more at link


Hmmm...I don’t see them being forced out on TV right now moo.

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ETA:

Pierre Haski, president of Reporters Without Borders, said both men are in "the hands of the Chinese authorities."

There is "very little" information about their disappearance, reports Le Parisian.

Haski added: "The authorities may keep them until the subject of the health crisis becomes less hot. In this case, one could imagine that they will be released within a few weeks, but this remains unlikely. The other more usual scenario would be to hear more about them for a while. Then we will learn within six months that they have been indicted for subversion."”

2 Wuhan whistleblowers missing months after helping expose coronavirus outbreak, activists say

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“A Chinese government spokesman said FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr is more than welcome to visit Wuhan but called Carr’s request to speak with disappeared citizen COVID19 whistleblowers “a fiction.””

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“Last week, Carr asked China’s communist government to give him permission to speak with the many disappeared citizen journalists who sounded early alarms on the severity of the coronavirus outbreak.

During the back and forth twitter thread the Chinese spokesman suggested that U.S. officials should visit China to experience “freedom,” and the FCC commissioner accepted the offer, adding that first he wants to speak with the brave journalists.”

China Says Disappeared COVID Journalists Is 'fiction,' While FCC Carr Demands They 'Un-disappear' Them

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BBC:
Why have two reporters in Wuhan disappeared?
Feb 14
 
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Is anyone else beginning to think or talk about, with co-workers or boss, what going back to work is going to look like for your place of work?

We honestly don't know when we will actually open again, and we're trying to get creative on ways we can serve the public while still technically being closed. But we're also starting to discuss what it will look like when we do open to the public.

We know we will wear masks. I'm going to suggest that we put a recommendation out that the public also wear masks. I'm also going to suggest limiting the numbers in groups, because we can't become the summer teen hang-out that we usually are. I think we're putting tape on the floor to distance people from the front desk.

But mostly I'm also thinking about how we will social distance from each other in such a small space. I've realized how close we get when working. My boss kept having to stop himself from hanging over my shoulder while I dealt with a problem on the computer today. He's used to doing that. It's just how he is. Every interaction he and I had today was one of us beginning to do something and then coming to a halt because we aren't supposed to be that near each other now. We're afraid of killing each other or being killed by each other accidentally if one of us is asymptomatic.

The week before we shut down, I was trying to distance more from my co-worker, and it was difficult. I found myself at one point leaning up against the filing cabinet, telling him a funny story from two feet away. I quickly moved myself. But I realized how much our interactions would have to change.

My boss and I also used to bring food in occasionaly for the others - home-made desserts or muffins from our own homes. Now I'm wondering if that is even advisable.

Just so much stuff that will have to change.
Imagine going to a restaurant. Servers wear masks and gloves. Well, if we do, how do we eat?
 
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Imagine going to a restaurant. Servers wear masks and gloves. Well, if we do, how do we eat?
One thing, 3 months ago I think most businesses would have discouraged employees from wearing masks because months ago we avoided people in masks. Now we avoid people without masks. And now it’s a smart business move to allow employees to wear masks because it will put customers’ minds more at ease. I felt better shopping today than last time I shopped because the employees were masked.
 
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Imagine going to a restaurant. Servers wear masks and gloves. Well, if we do, how do we eat?
If the servers are wearing masks and gloves, and the other tables are more than 6 feet away, then I would feel OK eating in a restaurant, if it was a clean, responsible establishment.

I wouldn't want to go into Manhattan or downtown Los Angeles and eat yet. But I am an hour north of the city and there are little towns just North of me, who haven't had any CV cases reported yet. My kids live in a town like that, thank goodness.

So I look forward to taking them out to eat some day soon, and spending some quality time with my granddaughter again. :)
 
  • #114
There seem to be two groups of us. Many of us here are in the "avoid at all costs" category. One family in our neighborhood looks super healthy, but she is actually on immune suppressants, lifelong, and she is not going out of her house. She's in her late 30's, looks super healthy - but isn't even willing to drive anywhere.

People should know better and model better behavior. But, as someone said to me today, "The projections were so much worse! This isn't so bad." (Said from a distance of 15 feet, ha).

Yeah, well, let's see what happens next. I pray that this virus is less contagious than we thought. There are mechanisms by which, if the virus really does come in different varieties of deadliness, the less deadly form will spread further (because the really bad kind is being contained in hospitals). That may not be true at all - we don't know yet. Scientists need time to figure it out.

Meantime, your neighbors are gambling. It's very likely neither of them has CoVid (since it looks like only about 3-5% of us have had it).

I feel for you, having to leave to go to that essential job. I'm cleared to work at home through December and probably all next year. My DH may not be so lucky, though.
And the lawyers still go out every day to lunch and don’t have any issues about that - I wash my hands and face constantly
 
  • #115
If the servers are wearing masks and gloves, and the other tables are more than 6 feet away, then I would feel OK eating in a restaurant, if it was a clean, responsible establishment.

I wouldn't want to go into Manhattan or downtown Los Angeles and eat yet. But I am an hour north of the city and there are little towns just North of me, who haven't had any CV cases reported yet. My kids live in a town like that, thank goodness.

So I look forward to taking them out to eat some day soon, and spending some quality time with my granddaughter again. :)

I'm the opposite. I can't imagine having dinner in a restaurant where the servers are wearing masks and gloves. I absolutely wouldn't do that and hope that's not the plan :eek:
 
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And the lawyers still go out every day to lunch and don’t have any issues about that - I wash my hands and face constantly

Have any of them gotten sick?
 
  • #117
Is this unique to CV19?

I believe it is. Shortly after news broke about Life Care Center, a respite care facility near Seattle, WA where 37 individuals died between mid-Feb and March (129 infected), the then epicenter of COVID-19 where the first cluster in the US occurred, the center's director reported terrifying and sudden ways coronavirus struck the patients with the strangest symptom being red eyes. It was also reported that several of the dead only had eye symptoms (virus in their eyes) and nothing else. If not for learning about this locally, I don't think I'd be aware as I don't think I've heard this reported elsewhere.

For the dead, the single most important symptom started with the eyes, then cough, rapid breathing, and death. The red-eye was described as external, like red eye shadow. and patients described it felt like allergy eyes.

Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure it was reported on CNN because my sister on the east coast saw it.
 
  • #118
That suggests it's important to wear goggles in addition to masks.
My friend in Tacoma who's making face shields for first responders and medical personnel sent me one as he worries about me. I'm a bit nervous about using it though because I feel like it should be given to someone more in need of protection. He said not to worry as he's cranking out large amounts every day now.

And in other news I had a long conversation with my friend in the local health department today. She's been meeting with the doctors and others responsible for monitoring cases in our area.

A couple of interesting remarks I can share is that in order to open back up an important factor is having adequate tests available and utilizing them. This is so any "hot spots" can be found immediately and addressed appropriately.

The other remark was that re-opening society will not be a "switch" but rather a "dial." IOW it's akin to reverse engineering the shut down and must be done in a logical and cautious way.

I know this is mainly common sense but it does give me comfort to know that our local government is working to ease current restrictions - in a *safe* fashion. There was a protest today in Olympia. Apparently about 2,000 people showed up.

And an aside: There is concern that teen pregnancies could spike during the restrictions because, well, kids are kids and continue to gather because they think they're invincible and hormones don't know about Covid-19. Members in the health department are calling students and letting them know that they can contact the local clinic for any reason and their information will be kept confidential.

I know it seems silly during the crisis but IMO it's important that young people know that they can seek help if they need it.
 
  • #119
Posting the text accompanying Dr. Hansen's youtube if you don't have time to watch it:

COVID19 - How does this coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, kill people? Why does it kill some people and not others?

Welcome to another video, for those of you who don’t know me, I’m doctor mike Hansen, I am a real doctor who specializes in pulmonary medicine, critical care medicine, and internal medicine.

When I’m not working in the hospital or pulmonary clinic, I’m at home working on making these videos for you, to deliver you accurate medical expertise, to the best of my ability (especially during this pandemic).

This virus, we know, is mainly transmitted by respiratory droplets, and through contact, by getting into our mucosa, like our mouth, nose, and eyes. Although less common, it also can be transmitted through aerosol, meaning airborne. Most likely when you have people in an enclosed space, such as an elevator, and someone sneezes or coughs without covering their mouth, and someone else can inhale it in.

This virus attaches to cells in our body by this ACE2 receptor. This ACE2 receptor is only located on certain cells in our body. Its on our tongue, in our nose, back of the throat, and in our lungs. Specifically, within the lungs, its only located on our type II alveolar cells.

We know that ARDS develops in about 4 to 5% of COVID-19 patients. And of all the people who get COVID19, the mortality rate is around 1 to 2%. So why do some COVID patients get ARDS, and why do some die? There are different reasons, and lets talk about them. It could be one of these reasons, but more likely it’s a combination of these reasons.

1) The virus only gains entry into our cells that express the ACE2 receptor. They are located in multiple sites. Besides being in the lung, they’re in your mouth, nose, throat, stomach, small intestine, colon, skin, lymph nodes, thymus, bone marrow, spleen, liver, kidney, brain, and testes.

2) It makes sense that if the virus only gets into your mouth or nose or throat, but not the lungs, that it would cause only cold-like symptoms. But if the virus gets all the way down into your alveoli of your lungs, that’s whats going to cause ARDS. And by the way, the ACE2 recoptors in your gut probably explains why some patients get nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.

3) The amount of virus that you get into your body likely determines how sick you get. This is what we call the viral load.

4) The inflammatory reaction that occurs with COVID-19 is extremely complicated with lots of different proteins and hormones and interleukins at play. But there are several known genetic polymorphisms of these proteins that likely make some people more prone to getting worse illness than others. A genetic polymorphism simply means a variation on a particular gene. For example, there are genetic polymorphisms for the ACE gene, as well as IL-6. Basically, a lot of it just comes down to our genes. And sex.

5) Because the 5th reason has to do with estrogen. Estrogen is known to inhibit the effects of IL-6, which plays a huge role in this cytokine storm. This might explain why women overall have less severe disease compared to men.

6) And the 6th reason being because of people who are already taking certain medications. For those people who are already on and ACEI such as lisinopril, or an ARB such as losartan, or telmisartan, or candesartan, or irbesartan. Or people who take hydroxychloroquine for lupus or rheumatoid disease. Or people who take tocilizumab, and IL-6 receptor inhibitor. Are these patients less prone to getting severe illness? My guess is yes.

So...forgive me if this has already been discussed but #6, is he saying people who take lisinopril are LESS prone to getting severe illness? I am sooo confused, have asked for clarification from my cardiologist but haven't heard back (has only been a day and they can take up to 72 hours for medication questions).
 
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    • China’s National Health Commission (NHC) said there were 30 new confirmed cases as of April 21, of which 23 were attributed to travelers coming from overseas. That brings the country’s total to 82,788 cases, the NHC said.
    • Mexico reported a jump of more than 700 new cases, reaching a total of 9,501 cases.
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New cases in Germany jump by 2,237
Germany reported 2,237 new confirmed cases, bringing the total to 145,694, according to the Robert Koch Institute, a federal government agency responsible for disease monitoring and prevention.

It also said there were 281 more deaths, with its total fatalities now at 4,879. — Weizhen Tan

Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths
 
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