Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #50

[tresir2012]

Reporting from Southern California.
Small business restaurant.
We have not received ANY help.
Not one cent.
Where is the billions of dollars ?
I want to know Exactly where is the money for small businesses??
We've also not received the $1,200.00 per person.
We've not received a penny.
I am so angry,
I Live in Southern California and pay obscene taxes.
What the hell has California done with all of this money?
What about we small businesses?
Nothing, but talk.
From our leaders who live in guarded mansions.
With no financial help to small, medium businesses.
California is going to see a phenomenal unemployment and reduction of its
Bogus Golden State.
Living in California, is no longer Golden.
Thank You Politicians. MOO

Have you got a state or local representative you can complain too or a local business organisation?

 

[Inthedetails]

In the US we have a Flu vaccine, and we still have the Flu. Why on earth does anyone think that when the vaccine comes out this virus will go away?

Those poor animals have no choice.

The flu vaccine is a guess every year. They make a prediction on what strain will be prevalent, but the guess isn't always right, which results in people getting the flu even if they got a vaccine.

At least, that's my understanding. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Reporting from Southern California.
Small business restaurant.
We have not received ANY help.
Not one cent.
Where is the billions of dollars ?
I want to know Exactly where is the money for small businesses??
We've also not received the $1,200.00 per person.
We've not received a penny.
I am so angry,
I Live in Southern California and pay obscene taxes.
What the hell has California done with all of this money?
What about we small businesses?
Nothing, but talk.
From our leaders who live in guarded mansions.
With no financial help to small, medium businesses.
California is going to see a phenomenal unemployment and reduction of its
Bogus Golden State.
Living in California, is no longer Golden.
Thank You Politicians. MOO

Isn't the stimulus money Federal money?

jmo

 

[musicaljoke]

i call that one of the million dollar questions.

I have to call my doctor about a prescription issue---and I am going to ask if they have any email address so I can send THEM the Dr. Suheut and Dr. Hansen videos. They are NOT pulm docs, so even they can learn something!

Don't be offended if they choose not to watch the videos. Dr. Musicaljoke says that she is so flooded with CoV19 information coming across her email everyday that she is wasting precious time just sorting out which are vital and which can be ignored.

 

[katydid23]

I knew the original Ruth F. as a child in NOLA. She was a wonderful woman, very active in her community and a gracious host. She would be mortified at the very thought of accepting this money. Shame.

I don't see anything wrong with them getting a cash infusion. By now, they must be hemorrhaging cash. So much inventory going to waste. So many employees on the payroll and so much rent or mortgage to come up with. So many vendors to be paid. And little to no cash incoming.

They have been a very stable successful company. Why should they be penalized for that by not being included in cash bailout programs?

 

[10ofRods]

In the UK the vaccine has already been tested on animals by Oxford University and they have recruited volunteers for the human tests and got all the volunteers they need already. UK govt has funded it with a £45million grant I posted the links yesterday, probably on the last thread now.

I'm sorry, but this is impossible. As I've mentioned before, the first group of humans is usually the lab workers and scientists themselves. Are they representative of All Humans? No. Not at all. None of them are toddlers. None of them are very elderly. None of them are cancer patients. None of them are taking immune suppressants (you can't work in a viral lab if you have those issues - or if you have lupus or if you have RA). They are disproportionately male (if not all male - in many cases, first run of viral testing is in men).

Further, how long has it been? Did they then go expose themselves to several variants of COVid? No, they did not. They can't, because they have only limited strains in Britain. Being an island, that's always the case. They need to test it in New York.

No one should be injected with a vaccine that has that kind of testing. The next rounds of testing should involve the entire British military. Then it's a waiting game. We know that military members have been exposed but they would need to completely drop social distancing and see if the vaccine works. Has Britain done this? No. It's two weeks between exposure and symptoms. They need to vaccinate the entire military (and they do not have the manufacturing capacity to do this yet), and then wait a month. Deliberately allow CV+ people to remain untreated and within the population.

At that point, we still won't know how the elderly and the compromised will deal with it, but the results will be highly suggestive. Before the US will allow it, they'll give the vaccine to all military members first (for strategic as well as medical reasons) and deploy them as usual all over the world, and make no attempt to isolate them. Let them have shore leave. Let's hope that the vaccinated can't still be carriers, right? Do we know that right now? No, we do not.

I'd give that process 6 months. People who specialize in safe development of vaccines would be cringing (as they'd have done it differently) but the FDA and our government do allow for this kind of testing.

But no way would I want our entire military vaccinated until UK does theirs first and we see results. I'd want a two month experiment in Britain. They're obviously going to start giving it to all comers unless some major change comes in their thinking. If, in two months, UK is down to virtually zero cases, then I think we should test in the US. Let them be the guinea pigs, as they seem intent on doing it.

I do wonder how many Brits will actually go for the vaccine under these circumstances. It will be a leap of faith with a dose of science.

 

[tresir2012]

Coronavirus: 49 deaths and 631 new cases confirmed in Ireland

(Ireland)

THE CHIEF MEDICAL Officer has confirmed a further 49 reported deaths of patients diagnosed with Covid-19 and 631 new cases of the disease in Ireland.

It brings to 16,671 the total number of cases in Ireland while the total number of lab-confirmed deaths from the virus sits at 769.

As of midnight on Tuesday, the Health Protection Surveillance Centre reported 302 clusters in residential care settings, 179 of which are in nursing homes.

Of the 769 deaths in lab-confirmed cases, some 412 are associated with residents of residential care settings, with 348 of those associated with nursing homes.



Data from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) as of midnight on Monday, show that 56% of the confirmed cases at that stage (15,871) were female, while 44% were reported in males.

The median age of confirmed cases at that stage was reported as 48.

Some 2,387 cases involved a person being hospitalised. Meanwhile, some 4,393 cases were associated with healthcare workers.

New figures today show hospitals in Ireland are treating over 700 patients with Covid-19 and that 132 patients are currently in ICU.

The acute hospitals with the most confirmed cases are in Dublin with the figures covering the situation up to last night.

Wow. Is this new info? More than half of Ireland's total deaths are from residential homes ( nursing and care homes ) ?

"Of the 769 deaths in lab-confirmed cases, some 412 are associated with residents of residential care settings, with 348 of those associated with nursing homes.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't see anything wrong with them getting a cash infusion. By now, they must be hemorrhaging cash. So much inventory going to waste. So many employees on the payroll and so much rent or mortgage to come up with. So many vendors to be paid. And little to no cash incoming.

They have been a very stable successful company. Why should they be penalized for that by not being included in cash bailout programs?

I don't know what the loan application process was like, but assuming companies had to prove need? Some companies might have a cushion to see them through the crisis and not need the forgivable loans to survive.

I don't know if that is the case, though, that companies had to show need?

jmo

 

[ilovewings]

In the US we have a Flu vaccine, and we still have the Flu. Why on earth does anyone think that when the vaccine comes out this virus will go away?

Those poor animals have no choice.

Thing is: with the flu there are various strains- when they make the vaccine every year they try to guess (for lack of a better word) what strains will be present. Sometimes they are wrong, and when they are the vaccine doesn't work, although they say one should still get the vaccine ( I never have): However, with the coronavirus, i don't think there is the same concern (different strains- though there could be i guess). so this seems to be horse of a different color.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm sorry, but this is impossible. As I've mentioned before, the first group of humans is usually the lab workers and scientists themselves. Are they representative of All Humans? No. Not at all. None of them are toddlers. None of them are very elderly. None of them are cancer patients. None of them are taking immune suppressants (you can't work in a viral lab if you have those issues - or if you have lupus or if you have RA). They are disproportionately male (if not all male - in many cases, first run of viral testing is in men).

Further, how long has it been? Did they then go expose themselves to several variants of COVid? No, they did not. They can't, because they have only limited strains in Britain. Being an island, that's always the case. They need to test it in New York.

No one should be injected with a vaccine that has that kind of testing. The next rounds of testing should involve the entire British military. Then it's a waiting game. We know that military members have been exposed but they would need to completely drop social distancing and see if the vaccine works. Has Britain done this? No. It's two weeks between exposure and symptoms. They need to vaccinate the entire military (and they do not have the manufacturing capacity to do this yet), and then wait a month. Deliberately allow CV+ people to remain untreated and within the population.

At that point, we still won't know how the elderly and the compromised will deal with it, but the results will be highly suggestive. Before the US will allow it, they'll give the vaccine to all military members first (for strategic as well as medical reasons) and deploy them as usual all over the world, and make no attempt to isolate them. Let them have shore leave. Let's hope that the vaccinated can't still be carriers, right? Do we know that right now? No, we do not.

I'd give that process 6 months. People who specialize in safe development of vaccines would be cringing (as they'd have done it differently) but the FDA and our government do allow for this kind of testing.

But no way would I want our entire military vaccinated until UK does theirs first and we see results. I'd want a two month experiment in Britain. They're obviously going to start giving it to all comers unless some major change comes in their thinking. If, in two months, UK is down to virtually zero cases, then I think we should test in the US. Let them be the guinea pigs, as they seem intent on doing it.

I do wonder how many Brits will actually go for the vaccine under these circumstances. It will be a leap of faith with a dose of science.

The links to all the Vaccine trials was posted yesterday IIRC with a lot of details of the stages they were at and what tests had been done up to now. IIRC The Oxford one was at phase 2.

I'll see if I can find a link back to it.

 

[Inthedetails]

“But one thing we know for sure. We will celebrate the Fourth of July in New York City this year,” he said, adding, “We will find a way to put on a show that will show people how much we love our country, how much we want to celebrate everything great about this city and this nation.”

However, de Blasio said, “We don’t know exactly what it’s going to look like.”

https://nypost.com/2020/04/22/de-blasio-macys-july-4th-fireworks-show-will-happen-amid-coronavirus/

 

[katydid23]

It's a small business loan is the problem. Ruth Chris is a crazy expensive steakhouse chain. Harvard speaks for itself. Jmo

But why shouldn't Ruth Chris receive a business loan? They pay a lot of state and federal taxes, employ a bunch of people, pay a lot of vendors and other local services, etc etc...

Why should they be exempt from getting a loan when they are having obvious financial losses like every other restaurant is now?

 

[katydid23]

If you use 75 % of the loan for payroll, the loan is forgiven.

Yes, by keeping their employees on the payroll. Don't we want them to do that?

 

[katydid23]

Here are the largest public companies taking payroll loans meant for small businesses
- it's really shameful behavior IMO
I added these to the CARES thread with the other links.

I don't know who most of these companies are. Are we sure they did not get hit by the pandemic crisis?

 

[24Roses]

Iowa news today: April 22: 107 new COVID-19 cases in Iowa, seven additional deaths (WATCH Gov. Reynolds) 107 new confirmed cases and 7 more have passed. We now have 3,748 confirmed cases and 90 passed (51% in long term care). 1,428 have recovered (38%).
Iowa Department of Corrections expands COVID-19 testing; 10 additional inmates test positive All of the inmates are in the same facility in Coralville.
Tyson worker fondly remembered after succumbing to COVID-19 This is so sad.

 

[j_in_c]

When I go back to eating in restaurants, I would prefer one with servers wearing masks. It would not have to be a hospital type setting, but they could have nicely decorated masks (they can be sterilized and reused several times). I could see a vegetarian restaurant where carrot and radish decorated masks were worn. That would feel much better for me than being aware of too many people breathing on my food. Maybe over time, I would be less nervous about this, but that is probably after a vaccine. MOO

I also could see a return to the silver covers that fancy restaurants used once upon a time - as a bonus it will keep your food hot until it is placed in front of you!

 

[margarita25]

Maybe this is just a coincidence but Ghangzhou in Guangdong Province had a brand new cruise ship terminal open in November
New Guangzhou Cruise Port Set For November 17 Opening

More info in this article

Guangzhou’s New Homeport Is Open for Business

And this report links Wuhan to transmissions in air conditioning in a Guangzhou restaurant.

COVID-19 Outbreak Associated with Air Conditioning in Restaurant, Guangzhou, China, 2020

Great find Tresir! Maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

We may never know what the real numbers are/were in the various Chinese provinces, but Guangdong peeked its head quite a bit here and there, enough to peak my interest. That’s also where SARS came from, iirc.

We know that numbers in Hubei much outweigh Guangdong numbers, and that Hubei has always been considered the epicenter.

But what if Hubei was like New York, for example, imported, and it spread like wildfire.

Hubei and Guangdong are quite intermingled with travelers going back and forth.

I think it’s possible there is more than one source. Or at least a source not related to the Hubei market.

I wonder if any of the merchants working the Hubei market lives in Guangdong or got their animals from there, Guangzhou specifically.

We know teams went into the Hubei market and never found the original source al though there was surface contamination confirmed in their sample studies. They even supposedly tracked down all the merchants, etc.

Idk, Guangdong has bugged me from the beginning. If China was trying to cover up Wuhan in November and December, then who knows what else has been covered up.

Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Foshan...

I’m still on April 10 WHO conference but keeping my ears open for any more references re: source.

Again, I could be way off on this but it’s been bugging me since the beginning.

Maybe you, @dixiegirl1035 or @Henry2326 or someone else here can explain the genome sequences from Guangdong from this virology report, it’s over my head:

Genomic epidemiology of hCoV-19 in Guangdong Province, China

 

[katydid23]

DrTony always get his vaccines. He has to or he wouldn’t be able to do locum work anywhere. That means TB testing, flu shot, Hep shot, etc. I rarely get sick but our internist suggested, rather firmly but kindly, that with my underlying condition, Ménière’s—it would be a very good idea. So I will do flu & whatever.
In January of this year I got something for the first time in over 20 years. Horrible sore throat, like I had crushed gravel in it. Could only have lukewarm broth & water. Coughing, sneezing hideous pain. Low fever. DrTony phones in an anti-biotic. Nothing happens. Then laryngitis. Went through second course. Still nothing. He said then it’s a virus, it will go away in 7 days or a week, his old joke. So yes, I will get both flu & should a vaccine for this harrowing be available, I shall get it as well. I’m old have no grandchildren & I don’t want to find myself on a ventilator.

Maybe you got the CV in January?

 

[musicaljoke]

Even better. So the businesses aren't benefitting so much rather than the employees. UK is paying 80% of all furloughed employees wages so that is a similar benefit. Corporation and income tax will likely be increased next year to recoup it anyway.

Canada is giving employers 75% wage coverage, if their income dropped by 30% from the same period last year, and they keep their employees on.

 

[The Night Watchman]

Wow. Is this new info? More than half of Ireland's total deaths are from residential homes ( nursing and care homes ) ?

"Of the 769 deaths in lab-confirmed cases, some 412 are associated with residents of residential care settings, with 348 of those associated with nursing homes.

No different in Massachusetts. The residential care facilities are not well prepared for this. With health care costs skyrocketing, I doubt these for profit homes put much money into costly training and ventilation protection for a pandemic like COVID-19 that was unlikely to happen. But that is where we are today.

My 91 year old Mom finally left her house for assisted living in Fall 2018. Three months there, and then to a nursing home where she died two months later. It is the cycle of life, and good for her to be kicking on her own til she was 91. She never would have survived COVID-19 if infected in the nursing home. But it would not have impacted her expected outcome that year, it is the reality of the situation. The average age and health status matters when talking about the impact of this pandemic.