Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #50

[Curious Me]

I can't stand how ridiculous these articles have gotten. "Fakes oxygen"? … snipped to reply...

Physician Says COVID-19 Can Have Long-Lasting Impacts on the Healthiest Patients

I understand what he means. He's not a quack, but a La Jolla doctor. Not everybody feels out of breath when they have low oxygen saturation. I measured my next door neighbor's saturation with my oximeter once and was shocked it was so low. Really low, and she wasn't even showing any signs of being short of breath. Whereas, I often look very short of breath with my bad lungs and yet at times register not too low on the oximeter.

 

[Amonet]

Temperatures used to be lower in hospitals. Bacteria slow down when it's cool.

Since we know that CV19 doesn't like heat, they raise the temperatures. However, no heating system is designed to produce 140F which many studies show will kill or very much reduce the number of virion outside of hosts.

So 70F would be better than 60F and 80F would be better than 70F. But humans begin to have bacterial problems instead. And staff find it very unpleasant, need more water breaks, have to watch electrolytes at 88-90F.

If you think your roommate is interacting with CV people, put the thermostat as high it will go and see how that works (your roommate will probably go ballistic - by which I mean, we're seeing people get mad and spit at each other over such issues).

I am curious and hope I'm not asking something too stupid. But instead of the room temperature being higher, wouldn't it be simpler to give patients an extra blanket, especially those who are prescribed paracetamol/acetaminophen?

I mean there are two things going on here, and I wonder if that presser really managed to communicate that very well to everyone watching, and to everyone reading about it in the newspapers later.

One is killing the virus outside of the human body. On the hands, on surfaces, and in the air.

The other thing is killing the virus inside the human body, mostly in the lungs and respiratory tract.

And then you have, not just killing it, but diminishing the virus in its lifespan and its ability to replicate.

I think this is why people sometimes find things contradictory and confusing, as there's not always time and ability to explain *everything* in a brief presser or in a newspaper article that's written by a journalist.

Sometimes it's not the science that's the problem but the communication of it. Even with the best communication, it's still helpful imho to have interactivity/questions from the individual and answers that are intended for the way that individual thinks and understands things. We're not identical robots, we can hear the same words and each interpret them in slightly different ways....communicating information for something like this is incredibly difficult as it is hard to boil it down to something like a recipe for a cake, where you have a dozen lines of ingredients, the method, and the cooking temperature and time....That's what we desire, but they can't really provide it to us in that format right now.

 

[Amonet]

i couldn't believe my ears. What was he thinking???
Just NO!

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He was thinking of what made sense to him....clean the virus out with the things that are proven to destroy the virus.

But, as he said, he's not a doctor so he didn't realise that those things that work well for surface disinfection can't be used to 'wash out the virus from the lungs' and cure the patient....at least not without killing the patient in the process.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

he didn't realise that those things that work well for surface disinfection can't be used to 'wash out the virus from the lungs' and cure the patient....at least not without killing the patient in the process.

Minor detail.

 

[NJSleuth91]

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

I've been saying this since early March, that the quarantine should be multi-tiered according to risk level. Many people yelled at me and accused me of personally wanting their elderly relatives to die so I can increase my personal wealth (not sure how THAT is supposed to work). But, curiously, when Governor Cuomo started saying the same things a couple of weeks later, nobody accused him of anything like that.

Honestly, at this point, I've decided I'm probably going to stay inside even after this is all over. This pandemic has made me hate and distrust most people and not want to be around them. I don't know who I hate more, the people throwing parties and going to the grocery store every day "just to get out of the house," or the people hysterically screaming that going for walks should be banned and that people in their 20s have just as much chance of dying as anyone else. I don't want anything to do with any of these people even if they aren't potential carriers of SARS 2.

Plus -- and this is something I haven't heard most people talk about, which is actually kind of weird -- I've gotten used to the lockdown. It was much harder in the beginning. But I'm progressively losing any desire to hang out with people (even over video chat), go places, do things, and buy things.

I don't think I will be the only one who does this, either. People who experienced the Great Depression were more likely to become hoarders. People who experienced being constantly told to "social distance" and "you will LITERALLY DIE AND KILL PEOPLE if you go outside" probably will be more likely to become agoraphobic. I've read it's happening in Wuhan already.

 

[Lilibet]

He was thinking of what made sense to him....clean the virus out with the things that are proven to destroy the virus.

But, as he said, he's not a doctor so he didn't realise that those things that work well for surface disinfection can't be used to 'wash out the virus from the lungs' and cure the patient....at least not without killing the patient in the process.

BBM

Well, that’s totally scary! I certainly hope no one is dumb enough to think it makes enough sense to try it.

JMO

 

[tresir2012]

I can't remember which state now but the National Guard went in and disinfected the nursing homes. Anyone else remember that?

Sorry but I cannot get those images below to edit out. It was Alabama and Georgia.

National Guard teams disinfect nursing homes with positive COVID-19 cases
6 days ago · The National Guard teams will disinfect the homes and will train staff on the ... that are equipped and trained to disinfect long-term skilled care facilities.

https://www.waaytv.com › news › A...
Alabama National Guard disinfecting nursing homes during coronavirus crisis
2 days ago · Alabama National Guard disinfecting nursing homes during coronavirus crisis ... County: One at a poultry plant and another at a long-term care facility.

https://www.nationalguard.mil › News
Georgia Guard disinfecting nursing homes across the state > National Guard

3 Apr 2020 · Long-term care residents are vulnerable to illnesses that can be caused or exacerbated by COVID-19. The Georgia

 

[ilovewings]

BBM

Well, that’s totally scary! I certainly hope no one is dumb enough to think it makes enough sense to try it.

Trust me, as we speak there are probably a few
people drinking bleach or alcohol, or both
JMO

 

[firebird]

BBM

Well, that’s totally scary! I certainly hope no one is dumb enough to think it makes enough sense to try it.

JMO

If someone is dumb enough to drink fish tank cleaner, I'm sure there's someone dumb enough to inject disinfectants.

 

[tresir2012]

I've been saying this since early March, that the quarantine should be multi-tiered according to risk level. Many people yelled at me and accused me of personally wanting their elderly relatives to die so I can increase my personal wealth (not sure how THAT is supposed to work). But, curiously, when Governor Cuomo started saying the same things a couple of weeks later, nobody accused him of anything like that.

Honestly, at this point, I've decided I'm probably going to stay inside even after this is all over. This pandemic has made me hate and distrust most people and not want to be around them. I don't know who I hate more, the people throwing parties and going to the grocery store every day "just to get out of the house," or the people hysterically screaming that going for walks should be banned and that people in their 20s have just as much chance of dying as anyone else. I don't want anything to do with any of these people even if they aren't potential carriers of SARS 2.

Plus -- and this is something I haven't heard most people talk about, which is actually kind of weird -- I've gotten used to the lockdown. It was much harder in the beginning. But I'm progressively losing any desire to hang out with people (even over video chat), go places, do things, and buy things.

I don't think I will be the only one who does this, either. People who experienced the Great Depression were more likely to become hoarders. People who experienced being constantly told to "social distance" and "you will LITERALLY DIE AND KILL PEOPLE if you go outside" probably will be more likely to become agoraphobic. I've read it's happening in Wuhan already.

I know what you mean. It is encouraging agoraphobia I think. I have always hated shopping but some people love it. Now all the tourist locations saying don't come and visit after all these years of wanting us there and those trying to demonize second home owners it is depressing IMO.

Now with this scandal of the care homes contributing to half the death tolls, and the high population and transit areas maybe contributing to the other half I think they need to quickly reassess. People are going to get angrier and keeping them in till May and June is not feasible. Sweden got it right IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

If someone is dumb enough to drink fish tank cleaner, I'm sure there's someone dumb enough to inject disinfectants.

Thing is though there are some disinfectants in mouthwashes.

 

[Seattle1]

Coronavirus patients' EYES could be contagious for WEEKS, study suggests | Daily Mail Online

April 24, 2020

Pink eye, or conjunctivitis, can be caused by many bacteria and viruses, though the latter is more common.

And it often comes with respiratory infections.

In the US, pink eye first became a coronavirus concern after a nurse at the Life Care Center care home in Kirkland, Washington - where a devastating outbreak sickened more than 80 residents and 34 staff members and killed 35 people - revealed that almost every COVID-19 patient she treated there had red eyes.

Perhaps most worryingly, she said that many of those patients showed no other signs of illness, but were eventually confirmed to have coronavirus.

Red eyes are still not listed by the CDC as a symptom of coronavirus, but its a phenomenon that's been noted by health authorities in many nations.

Studies have found that the eyes are one of the parts of the body that can be attacked by the virus.

 

[Lilibet]

Thing is though there are some disinfectants in mouthwashes.

Hope you’re being facetious but not the kind of disinfectants strong enough to kill coronavirus and not injected.

 

[Sarahlou]

i couldn't believe my ears. What was he thinking???
Just NO!

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This is just dangerous to even suggest. Why does nobody call him out when he says things like this?

 

[musicaljoke]

Well great. Let's get some independent scientists to interview him, and find out where this really started, and we will not have to worry about conspiracy theories.

A journalist is expected to know where this started? We have solid, scientific, peer reviewed and published, international research to know where this started. There's no confusion about the source of the virus amongst scientists.

I don't see any evidence that China attempted to hide the source of the virus. At the time, I recall thinking that they were quick to find a pattern of illness and recognise it as a new source of infection. I'm not sure that our Western medical community would be as fast. Why, it was just this week, more than two months after the fact, evidence was found that CoV-19 deaths occured in the US 3 weeks earlier than previously believed, and this with the knowledge of exactly what they were looking for.

I expect that the journalist can speak more about the draconian measures that were taken to contain the virus. He would be able to expose human rights issues. Did people die when unable to access essential needs? Were people locked up with no one to help them? Were people imprisoned for looking for food?

I don't doubt that he was "in isolation", wink, wink. His message to the press is most likely scripted. But he is not able to give scientific evidence about the source of the virus.

The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2

COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin

New records show U.S. COVID-19 deaths up to 3 weeks earlier than first reported

 

[musicaljoke]

Australia and Iran are experiencing rapid virus spread and they are currently in summer climates.

Australia has a very low spread with fewer than 1500 active cases in the entire country. They've nearly cleaned it up entirely.
Australia Coronavirus: 6,675 Cases and 78 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[tresir2012]

None of us can tell, without scrolling back, which article you are referring to. If you posted it yourself, then maybe direct people to your profile?

That "reply button" would have included what you were responding to, it would be really helpful.

Professional labradoodle breeder was put in charge of the coronavirus task force at start of crisis | Daily Mail Online

Here's the Daily Mail take on it. Got to say those dog pics are cute.

BTW you don't have to scroll back but just follow the arrows on the replies themselves to find the link. It's a lot quicker.

 

[tresir2012]

Australia has a very low spread with fewer than 1500 active cases in the entire country. They've nearly cleaned it up entirely.
Australia Coronavirus: 6,675 Cases and 78 Deaths - Worldometer

Yes I was going to mention this yesterday. OZ and NZ really have it under control by the look of it. Have there been any reports of care home deaths at all? Europe and Canada have virtually 50% of their deaths in care homes, it is now being reported.

 

[tresir2012]

China now manufactures ventilation ducts with silicon coating (which cuts the life of the virus considerably, perhaps as much as 2-3 hours vs 7 days). China also employs HEPA filters more commonly in ventilation systems for big factories, hospitals and some apartment buildings. People wear masks routinely. I don't know much about their subways and mass transit, but since many wear masks (not surgical masks), I'm sure that helps.

Ventilation is such a large concern that I consider the shared air in most American classroom buildings to be an enormous risk. Kids, of course, will end up being fine (3 deaths in 50,000,000? less than other causes of death in kids, for sure). But universities and colleges have a very different problem.

As do malls, restaurants, gyms, doctors' offices, etc.

Subways lack the basics of airplanes (most commercial airlines do have HEPA filtration). They are death traps and we're seeing France's plateau remain high, IMO, because of subways. New York is the same way.

An aside here: agencies are getting more slow and intermittent in their data submissions to the CDC/own national agencies because workers cannot continue to work 12 hour shifts, 30 days a year. There will be lags in data, which people will interpret as good news. The only good news on that front would be a systematic use of resources to test and report accurately.

If travelling on subways, masks should be worn as is now being done in Spain. The London underground train ventilation system is just the air running through the whole train through open windows. Just think how far droplets travel when someone coughs or sneezes upwind.

Regarding schools and colleges there does not yet appear to be any indication of any high death rates among students or teachers AFAIK.

If governments concentrate on the care home industry and mass transit and leisure, pubs and restaurants with A/c they should be able to reopen it seems to me. The meat/food industry cases are very worrying too.

AJMOO

 

[katydid23]

Do some of my best thinking on here putting my thoughts in a post. I want to thank all of you for weighting in on my Covid Toe.​

Looking back on my calendar, I saw this red patch on my toe back on Jan. 25th. I try to take good care of my feet. I soaked my feet in Apple Cider Vinegar water bath and got sunlight on them. It didn't hurt or itch though. The red patch went away in days.

Then, I see I wrote Red Toe on April 5, so it came back in the exact same place. Nothing I put on it changes anything. It is still there on April 23. Now a smaller toe on the other foot looks red!!! I'm going to try the sunlight on my feet again.

Never had this type of chilblains / pernio before. Perhaps the timing is a coincidence and I have some kind of circulation problem, just at the same time talk of toes are hitting the news... I'm not a kid, and live in a warmer climate. Does anyone here or anyone you know have this symptom?

Doctors say 'COVID toes' may be symptom of coronavirus, especially in youth

“I think it’s much more rampant than we even realize,” said Dr. Paller. “The good news is it resolves spontaneously.”

When? Now I have another one!
My young doctor poo-poos things anytime I try to run something by her. I actually have to argue with her at times. Urged to "ask your doctor", then she poo-poos it. So, I feel it'd just irritate me to have a phone appointment now when they don't know enough. The article says wait for the antibody testing. I have no other Covid-19 symptoms, but I think I have or had it.

"Given the shortage in testing for the virus right now, Dr. Paller recommends getting antibody testing when available to confirm the association in these otherwise largely healthy kids."

Since you first had it back on Jan 25th, it seems unlikely it is associated with CV. It is slightly possible, but not likely, IMO.

I agree that getting it in sunlight and relaxing behind it, is a good step to take. JMO