Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #51

[cody22]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-patients-admitted-to-queens-nursing-home-with-body-bags


Oh my goodness ...............moo

 

[weepingangel]

i ordered a thermometer and pulse ox from Amazon--never got these items and i am po'd

Im thinking I need a pulse ox now. $40 is like the cheapest though? Is that about right? I don’t want to ridiculously overpay

 

[weepingangel]

I don’t think I will even Read that right now. The death rate in Massachusetts has consistently been little less than half or so in nursing homes if I’m not mistaken.horrible horrible stuff. Links in many of my previous posts

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-patients-admitted-to-queens-nursing-home-with-body-bags


Oh my goodness ........moo

 

[jjenny]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-patients-admitted-to-queens-nursing-home-with-body-bags


Oh my goodness ........moo

I think it's ridiculous to mandate nursing homes to accept covid patients. Absolutely ridiculous. Clearly results speak for themselves.

 

[Seattle1]

The hot weather makes it harder to tell people to stay home. Only some beaches will open, but there's these rules. You can walk on the beach, but you can't stop. May 1st is the official date everyone must wear masks if you leave the house. It's going to be bikinis and face masks.

Scorching Temps Stretch into Weekend for San Diego County

County to Require Mask-Wearing for All Starting May 1

County Clears Way for Beaches to Reopen as Soon as Monday at Cities’ Discretion

"Under the first phase, running and walking allowed at beaches, but stopping, sitting, and lying down are not. The public can surf, swim, kayak, and paddle board in the ocean and bays, but cannot boat. Boardwalks, piers, parking lots, and Fiesta Island are closed, and there are no gatherings or non-physically distant activities allowed on the sand. Boating will not be permitted at this time."

BBM

Pictures everywhere proving the rules are not being followed!

 

[Curious Me]

… snipped... Then, if there is the normal Thanksgiving and Christmas shopping and travel, yikes! However, I also expect people will know and many will forgo and go back to isolation. I'm dreaming of a virtual Christmas?

Forget the significance, we need to move those holidays to a safer time. So many people catch illness from the holiday events. They moved days off for some holidays to Mondays. Throw tomatoes at me, but I want these holidays moved to non-flu season.

 

[Curious Me]

Pictures everywhere proving the rules are not being followed!

I never said they would be. I can't get people to not throw their gum near my car. Some people do not care about you or I.

In San Diego county, the mask rule goes into effect by May 1st. People stopping or sitting on the beach... good luck trying to control that.

There's this one middle-aged woman heading some of the protests that lives in the beach area that is just so outraged that people can't be free, free, free. She is so righteous about it though that, IMO, she sounds ignorant.

 

[The Night Watchman]

The University of Miami Miller School of Medicine finds a coronavirus death rate of 0.18% in Miami Dade County, from an extrapolated 165,000 positive cases and 295 deaths. This is the first truly randomized CV data collection that I have seen, although this death rate will vary geographically for many reasons.

We could compare this 0.18% death rate to the flu rate of 0.10%, but the comparisons stop there. Coronavirus has no vaccine and is more contagious and asymptomatic, which is why we have a pandemic. However, rather than being continually fed with misinformation, it is important to know the critical metrics of coronavirus death rate and the demographics of the victims- so they can be protected.

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Miami-Dade County and the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine conducted a random antibody testing study of the county's 2.75 million residents, with about 1,800 people participating, Miami Mayor Carlos Gimenez said Friday during a news conference.

The data showed 6% of the people in the study tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies, which extrapolates to around 165,000 residents, Gimenez said.

In comparison, the Florida Department of Health says 10,701 people have tested positive in Miami-Dade County.
That means that the actual number of Covid-19 cases in Miami-Dade County is about 16.5 times the number reported by the state, Gimenez said.

Two coronavirus studies released Friday -- one involving almost 2,000 people from Florida and the other from a Washington state nursing home -- came to the same conclusion: Many of the people who tested positive for the virus didn't know it they had it because they showed no symptoms.

 

[slowpoke]

Imo, the way they are classifying "Covid deaths" is so absurd, you have to wonder why. The quote is from the link and there's video of her saying this and elaborating at the link.

IDPH Director explains how Covid deaths are classified

Essentially, Dr. Ezike explained that anyone who passes away after testing positive for the virus is included in that category.

"If you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means technically even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed as a COVID death. So, everyone who's listed as a COVID death doesn't mean that that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID at the time of the death." Dr. Ezike outlined.

Maybe including those deaths help predict and plan hospitals’ needs (bed space, icu, equipment, staffing, etc)?

 

[weepingangel]

today’s update
Coronavirus cases in Massachusetts reach 53,348 on Saturday and 174 new fatalities


The number of COVID-19 cases in Massachusetts now stands at 53,348 as health officials announce 2,379 new cases of the virus.

Officials also confirmed 174 new deaths, bringing the statewide total to 2,730.

More than half of the reported deaths were in long-term care facilities with 1,530 people dead which accounts for 56% of all fatalities. The share of the death toll among the elderly in long-term care has been steadily increasing.

I don’t think I will even Read that right now. The death rate in Massachusetts has consistently been little less than half or so in nursing homes if I’m not mistaken.horrible horrible stuff. Links in many of my previous posts

 

[jjenny]

Here is another article about nursing homes in three states being forced to accept covid patients. i think it's ridiculous and frankly beyond belief. Relatives are not allowed to visit for fear they spread covid, and yet nursing homes are forced to accept patients with covid?
"Three states hit hard by the pandemic — New York, New Jersey and California — have ordered nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to accept coronavirus patients discharged from hospitals. The policy, intended to help clear in-demand hospital beds for sicker patients, has prompted sharp criticism from the nursing home industry, staff members and concerned families, as well as some leading public health experts."
At a NY nursing home forced to take COVID-19 patients, 24 residents have died

 

[jjenny]

Due to Covid-19? Sorry, didn't click as I can only handle so many bikini pics from the DM, and what if one of them is him? All kidding aside, I heard he had some bad habits and was in bad health for such a young person. JMO. Curious to know if this virus is why he's sick.

As far as I can tell he had heart problems, not covid. Although of course covid could cause heart problems.

 

[Seattle1]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/coronavirus-patients-admitted-to-queens-nursing-home-with-body-bags

Oh my goodness ...............moo

Kind of like arriving hospital and parking your casket in the corner.

 

[firebird]

Maybe including those deaths help predict and plan hospitals’ needs (bed space, icu, equipment, staffing, etc)?

I don't see how that could possibly be the case for people who died of a totally separate cause. If they're projecting needs for covid patients, the deceased's info wouldn't be pertinent, and if they're projecting needs for non-covid patients, they could do that based on their actual cause of death. jmo

 

[Simply Southern]

Well, that's not what she said. She said even if you die from a clear alternative cause, you're classified as covid if you tested positive. So the person who shot themselves in the head would be a covid death if the person tested positive. There's no legitimate justication for that, imo.

Thought I'd weigh in on the subject .... cause of death Covid19.

Center for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS) issued guidance a month ago, for Covid. The claims for medical services will be reimbursed at a higher rate and will NOT be under automatic cert review.

Hospitals, Home Health, Long Term Care and Hospice will be paid MUCH more for any and all services rendered to diagnosed Covid patients. This was an ENCOURAGEMENT for all to provide extended care. This is to cover the extra PPE, staff, testing etc.

About a week ago CMS partnered with CDC and ALL providers. requesting All claims for respiratory diagnosis back to Jan 2020 be investigated/traced by all agencies, looking for possible Covid in prior patients and deaths. CMS is requesting medical documents tests, lab reports, xrays, etc trying to determine, if Covid was in the US in Jan and Feb.

Basically, blanket coverage, at a higher rate and NO questions ask.

Yes, every state is adjusting their death count, AFTER research. This means increased revenue for all healthcare resources and helps CDC determine a more precise entry in US population.

Moo...

 

[Satchie]

There's this one middle-aged woman heading some of the protests that lives in the beach area that is just so outraged that people can't be free, free, free. She is so righteous about it though that, IMO, she sounds ignorant.

I agree that most people have common sense, that's why it's called common. But not universal.

There is this longstanding issue with young people, however. I don't want it to be true, but it is. They take more risks: drive more recklessly, take drugs, have risky sex, max out their credit cards, etc. Wise elders tell them not to, but do they all listen? No, many of them do not.

And in this case of Covid-19, will they suffer from their failure to social distance? No, likely they will not, they will have no symptoms, or mild ones, or maybe a nasty bout, but they'll bounce back.

So what is the hard, bitter truth to extract from this? IMO, older and more vulnerable people will probably need to stay away from young people, and the people who live with them. I think that's just going to be a reality as social distancing relaxes.

 

[mickey2942]

I guess that I don't get the last month of staying home, because right now, there are no less than 25 people standing outside of "Five Guys", zero social Distancing.

Same at Costco, Walmart and Target. I stayed in the car while my daughter ran errands today. I just watched people.

 

[tresir2012]

N.Y. health officials denied request to transfer nursing home patients to emergency COVID facilities

This is very concerning.

"Emails between New York state health officials and administrators of a hard-hit Brooklyn nursing home show that the care facility was denied a request to transfer its suspected coronavirus patients to nearby emergency medical facilities, a decision which may have led to the nursing home's having the highest death rate of any such establishment in the state.

Donny Tuchman, the CEO of Brooklyn's Cobble Hill Health Center, asked the New York Health Department on April 9 if there was a way to send the nursing home's "suspected covid patients" to the city's emergency coronavirus field hospitals before their conditions worsened.

"We don’t have the ability to cohort right now based on staffing and we really want to protect our other patients," Tuchman said, according to the New York Post, which reviewed the emails."

A few weeks later he had 55 dead residents.

 

[jjenny]

N.Y. health officials denied request to transfer nursing home patients to emergency COVID facilities

This is very concerning.

"Emails between New York state health officials and administrators of a hard-hit Brooklyn nursing home show that the care facility was denied a request to transfer its suspected coronavirus patients to nearby emergency medical facilities, a decision which may have led to the nursing home's having the highest death rate of any such establishment in the state."
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Horrible. Why didn't New York used the ships for the covid patients instead of either leaving covid patients stay in nursing homes or sending covid patients from the hospitals into the nursing homes?

 

[otto]

Wow, this link is so very misleading!! I think it's nothing short of politicizing the reporting of clinical results which is not beneficial to anyone!

The published draft was full of errors and taken down!

Also from the linked article - WHO draft put online states remdesivir does not benefit severe coronavirus patients.

Please don't throw the baby out with the bath wash here and ignore the results showing there were still signs that it could be useful, possibly in patients with milder versions of disease. And I think the second wave of virus may prove to be patients with milder version.

I've posted about the NIH shadow trials to the clinical trial that also reported the virus in the lungs was decreased in subjects treated. Reducing the virus in the lungs as it relates to ARDS may indeed be the answer for patients with milder versions of the disease and save lives.

More from the link above:

News of the failure was posted on a World Health Organization clinical trials database, but later removed. A WHO spokesman said it had been uploaded too soon by accident.

The manuscript is undergoing peer review and we are waiting for a final version before WHO comments,” said Tarik Jasarevic, a WHO spokesperson.

According to Gilead - the company that plans to get rich on the virus, the study is faulty.

“The study results are inconclusive, though trends in the data suggest a potential benefit for remdesivir, particularly among patients treated early in disease,” the company said without providing details to back up that assertion.
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A screenshot of the WHO posting, captured by the medical news website STAT before it was taken down, said the trial enrolled 237 patients with 158 receiving remdesivir compared with 79 who got a placebo. The rate of death was similar at 13.9% for remdesivir versus 12.8% in the control group.
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Gilead is awaiting results of a trial of remdesivir, which previously failed as an Ebola treatment, in 400 patients hospitalized with severe COVID-19, with data expected later this month."
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Remdesivir: Accidentally released results suggest potential COVID-19 drug failed human trial