Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #51

[Deleted member 39678]

The chief of the WHO berates the world for not listening to their warnings on Jan 30. Interesting.

Why did they wait until the virus escaped China before recommending a travel ban?

While behind-the-scenes talks remain unclear, it took some three weeks before China permitted a WHO team was allowed in for further research. Yet the organization maintained its congratulatory tone and insisted international trade and travel go on, even as cases multiplied through January.

Yet as the illness started spawning internationally, the WHO remained wary of advocating widespread trade or travel bans. It was not until March 11 that the WHO official labeled the pathogen a pandemic when Italy was well into lockdown and its healthcare system overwhelmed.

How complicit is the WHO in China’s coronavirus cover-up?

WHO chief berates the world for 'not listening carefully' to the agency's warnings about coronavirus on January 30 when there were only 82 Covid-19 cases outside China

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Exclusive: She's been falsely accused of starting the pandemic. Her life has been turned upside I

Exclusive: She's been falsely accused of starting the pandemic. Her life has been turned upside down - CNN

this is so sad. I just hope something can be done to discredit this conspiracy guy. I do think Facebook and Google are stepping up to the bar more than usual... but the roots never get pulled.

 

[Seattle1]

CDC confirms six new coronavirus symptoms that are showing up in patients over and over

April 27, 2020

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention added six symptoms of the novel coronavirus to its list, suggesting health experts are learning more about the growing number of ways physicians see the virus affecting patients.

The symptoms, which the CDC reports could appear two to 14 days after exposure to the virus, are:

– Chills

– Repeated shaking with chills

– Muscle pain

– Headache

– Sore throat

– New loss of taste or smell

Previously, the CDC listed just three known symptoms: shortness of breath, cough and fever.

Mario Ramirez, the former acting director of the Office of Pandemic and Emerging Threats under President Barack Obama, told The Washington Post that the frequency of symptoms in new diseases changes with time, even with recurring illnesses like season influenza. The recent additions, he said, reflect the CDC’s confidence in stating: “we can say reliably that these six symptoms go with covid-19.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Missed posting this yesterday...

Global Update Monday 27th April

 

[Henry2326]

The chief of the WHO berates the world for not listening to their warnings on Jan 30. Interesting.

Why did they wait until the virus escaped China before recommending a travel ban?

While behind-the-scenes talks remain unclear, it took some three weeks before China permitted a WHO team was allowed in for further research. Yet the organization maintained its congratulatory tone and insisted international trade and travel go on, even as cases multiplied through January.

Yet as the illness started spawning internationally, the WHO remained wary of advocating widespread trade or travel bans. It was not until March 11 that the WHO official labeled the pathogen a pandemic when Italy was well into lockdown and its healthcare system overwhelmed.

How complicit is the WHO in China’s coronavirus cover-up?

WHO chief berates the world for 'not listening carefully' to the agency's warnings about coronavirus on January 30 when there were only 82 Covid-19 cases outside China

Because travel bans with only one country doesn't work, as we have found out the hard way.
See WHO bulletin below on travel bans.

As well, as agreed by member states of the WHO, one way travel bans are not allowed without member states agreeing. The US forged ahead without agreement by member states.
There are 2 bodies of the WHO: member states who vote on the rules and then a technical side than manages on the ground activities, vaccine and drug development, procedures, training etc.

A cover-up is defined as "an attempt to prevent people's discovering the truth about a serious mistake or crime."

In this case, pure nonsense....post 678 on this thread....

WHO visited China on January 20th and 21st.
"On 20-21 January 2020, a World Health Organization (WHO) delegation conducted a field visit to Wuhan to learn about the response to 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCOV). The mission was part of the on-going close collaboration between WHO and Chinese national, provincial, and Wuhan health authorities in responding to 2019-nCoV.
The delegation visited the Wuhan Tianhe Airport, Zhongnan hospital, Hubei provincial CDC, including the BSL3 laboratory in China’s Center for Disease Control (CDC). The delegation observed and discussed active surveillance processes, temperature screening at the airport, laboratory facilities, infection prevention and control measures at the hospital and its associated fever clinics, and the deployment of the rRT-PCR test kit to detect the virus."
Mission summary: WHO Field Visit to Wuhan, China 20-21 January 2020

Jan 3: the head of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Robert Redfield, received a call from his Chinese counterpart with an official warning. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, was alerted to the virus around the same time.

Intelligence reports warned about a pandemic in January. Trump reportedly ignored them.

Warnings Ignored: A Timeline of Trump’s COVID-19 Response - The Bulwark

Trump’s pandemic response was hindered by missed opportunities, ignored warnings

Jan 12: China submitted genome sequence for COVID-19 to WHO.

AP report on China’s ‘delayed’ epidemic response conveniently passes blame - Global Times



WHO | Effectiveness of travel restrictions in the rapid containment of human influenza: a systematic review

 

[SkylarSid]

Ah ok like our National Insurance in the UK. But that's high for Americans when they don't have a NHS. So 35% from employers and employees plus they have to pay additional privately for medical insurance too. If I was an American and caught this from my workplace or transit or rental apartment, I think I would sue too or be left with huge medical bills to pay or for my relatives to pay I guess.

Did anyone else hear in the US news the possibility that the WH was going to enact some legislation making it impossible for employees or customers to sue places of business for liability if they contract COVID-19 there? Has anyone heard of this?

 

[Henry2326]

My very personal opinion is the WHO has lost all credibility with me. Jmo

Respectfully, 1,000 organizations in the US disagree....

Over 1,000 organizations, individuals write to Trump over WHO funding-Ecns.cn

Major health groups and charities urge Trump to reverse World Health Organization funding decision - CNNPolitics

More than 1,000 organizations and individuals including charities, medical experts and healthcare companies from around the world have written to the White House arguing the Trump administration should reverse course and keep funding the World Health Organization (WHO).

They make the case that the coronavirus pandemic can't be brought under control without the WHO.

"The United States cannot rid this insidious virus from the country, nor around the world, without WHO," the letter addressed to President Donald Trump, and sent to the White House on Thursday night says. "WHO is the only organization with the technical capacity and global mandate to support the public health response of all countries during this critical time."
Signatories include influential companies and groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics, Oxfam, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the American Public Health Association and the healthcare company Kaiser Permanente.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Tuesday 28th April, Global Update

 

[24Roses]

Early Iowa news today:
Iowa tells workers to return to jobs or lose their unemployment benefits, with exceptions
Unemployment benefits available for some who refuse to work coronavirus-related reasons
1,346 test positive for virus in county IMO-as of today before numbers come out from IDPH, because of this county releasing their own daily numbers, the total of confirmed cases is off by at least 500 in Black Hawk county alone! ETA-IDPH has Black Hawk county as having 844 confirmed cases as of April 26 at 10:00 a.m. so what IDPH releases today will be current IMO as of April 27 at 10:00 a.m. Black Hawk should also be releasing their new numbers today around noon. The 1,346 is current as of yesterday at around noon. Iowa COVID-19 Information
Black Hawk County Health Department | COVID-19 Response

 

[CSIDreamer]

Respectfully, 1,000 organizations in the US disagree....

Over 1,000 organizations, individuals write to Trump over WHO funding-Ecns.cn

Major health groups and charities urge Trump to reverse World Health Organization funding decision - CNNPolitics

More than 1,000 organizations and individuals including charities, medical experts and healthcare companies from around the world have written to the White House arguing the Trump administration should reverse course and keep funding the World Health Organization (WHO).

They make the case that the coronavirus pandemic can't be brought under control without the WHO.

"The United States cannot rid this insidious virus from the country, nor around the world, without WHO," the letter addressed to President Donald Trump, and sent to the White House on Thursday night says. "WHO is the only organization with the technical capacity and global mandate to support the public health response of all countries during this critical time."
Signatories include influential companies and groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics, Oxfam, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, the American Public Health Association and the healthcare company Kaiser Permanente.

That's cool. I still stand my ground lol. I'm very stubborn btw.

 

[tresir2012]

The origin of the pandemic has not been questioned by scientists anywhere. The origin has been clearly documented in international, peer reviewed journals, including the most highly regarded scientific journal in the world, 'Nature'. The links have been posted here several times. They are extremely academic, which might discourage some readers.

Here's a link to a more readable article which cites the Nature entry.

Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

From the link:

What experts do agree on is that a pandemic like this is no surprise. Scientists have been warning governments for years that a new disease was on the horizon, and that many countries were woefully under-prepared.

For example, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Anthony Fauci, told the incoming US government administration in January 2017 about the inevitability of a "surprise outbreak", urging them to make preparations.

"We've been aware for some time that another coronavirus, like SARS and MERS before it, could cause a pandemic, and so in many ways, the emergence of a new coronavirus with pandemic potential is not a surprise," explains La Trobe University epidemiologist Hassan Vally.

"We have to be careful to not aid those irresponsibly using this global crisis for political point-scoring by giving any oxygen to these and other rumours."

That's meaningless though. It's from bats and another animal but they don't know which one. So how's about finding outt which one by a worldwide investigation and a worldwide proper analysis. I have read the Nature report and even posted a link but it told me nothing.

This from your link confirms their lack of knowledge IMO. The head of the Lab at Wuhan checked everything so she must have suspected some sort of escape initially.

"Unfortunately, it's difficult to determine where and how the new coronavirus acquired its mutations, although most researchers think the process involved an animal host.

Additionally, researchers are still investigating if the necessary mutations for causing the new disease occurred before or after SARS-CoV-2made the jump to humans.

The institute at the centre of the controversy has repeatedly deniedaccusations of being the source of the pandemic. Back in March, head of bat coronavirus research at WIV, Shi Zhengli, explained that when she first received samples from early COVID-19 patients, she immediately did a thorough investigation at her department, finding no match between the viruses her lab had been working on, and COVID-19 patients.

"That really took a load off my mind," she told Scientific American. "I had not slept a wink for days."

 

[HongKongPhooey]

CDC confirms six new coronavirus symptoms that are showing up in patients over and over

April 27, 2020

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention added six symptoms of the novel coronavirus to its list, suggesting health experts are learning more about the growing number of ways physicians see the virus affecting patients.

The symptoms, which the CDC reports could appear two to 14 days after exposure to the virus, are:

– Chills

– Repeated shaking with chills

– Muscle pain

– Headache

– Sore throat

– New loss of taste or smell

Previously, the CDC listed just three known symptoms: shortness of breath, cough and fever.

Mario Ramirez, the former acting director of the Office of Pandemic and Emerging Threats under President Barack Obama, told The Washington Post that the frequency of symptoms in new diseases changes with time, even with recurring illnesses like season influenza. The recent additions, he said, reflect the CDC’s confidence in stating: “we can say reliably that these six symptoms go with covid-19.”

From my personal experience of the virus, I agree with all of the above except for sore throat which I personally did not have (other than where it became raw from coughing). Mine started with a major headache. Muscle and back aches needed painkillers.

But missing is a massive symptom - fatigue. It isnt just tiredness, it's can't-move-from-your-bed fatigue. In fact, almost 6 weeks on and today I am having a throwback day of it, in my bedroom with the dog watching movies and doing nothing else. My colleagues report the same, the fatigue is a big and ongoing issue, which lessens but lingers for a good while.

I know I'm repeating myself, but if this helps one person who hasnt seen my previous posts hopefully it's worth it.

 

[CSIDreamer]

From my personal experience of the virus, I agree with all of the above except for sore throat which I personally did not have (other than where it became raw from coughing). Mine started with a major headache. Muscle and back aches needed painkillers.

But missing is a massive symptom - fatigue. It isnt just tiredness, it's can't-move-from-your-bed fatigue. In fact, almost 6 weeks on and today I am having a throwback day of it, in my bedroom with the dog watching movies and doing nothing else. My colleagues report the same, the fatigue is a big and ongoing issue, which lessens but lingers for a good while.

I know I'm repeating myself, but if this helps one person who hasnt seen my previous posts hopefully it's worth it.

Your posts have been extremely helpful.

 

[Gardenista]

I’ve worked the coronavirus front line — and I say it’s time to start opening up

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Todays timing and visual mapping of the flight paths for today in Trenton, Philadelphia, Newark, NYC and Long Island.

View Flight Paths For Thunderbirds, Blue Angels Flying Over NJ Tuesday

 

[cody22]

AG tells Jackson to rescind temporary ban on open carry of guns, calls it illegal

Mississippi Virus News.....moo

 

[tresir2012]

I’ve worked the coronavirus front line — and I say it’s time to start opening up

That is a really informative article. Especially this bit IMO.

"It is precisely what I have witnessed that now tells me that it’s time to ease the lockdown. Here’s why.

First, the wave has crested. At 1 p.m. April 7, the COVID-19 arrivals slowed down. It was a discrete, noticeable event. Stretchers became available by 5 p.m., and the number of arriving COVID-19 patients dropped below the number discharged, transferred or deceased.

This was striking, because the community I serve is poor. Some are homeless. Most work in “essential,” low-paying jobs, where distancing isn’t easy. Nevertheless, the wave passed over us, peaked and subsided. The way this transpired tells me the ebb and flow had more to do with the natural course of the outbreak than it did with the lockdown.

Second, I worry about non-coronavirus care. While the inpatient units remain busy with sick COVID-19 patients, our ER has been quiet for more than a week. We usually average 240 patients a day. For the last week, we averaged fewer than 100. That means our patients in this diverse, low-income community are afraid to come to the ER for non-COVID care.

Gotham-wide, the number of 911 ambulance runs declined to 3,320 on April 18, down from a peak of 6,527 on March 30, according to New York Fire Department data. The current nadir is significantly below the average."

Obviously much more info in your link but this is the bit that resonated with me.

 

[Henry2326]

Todays timing and visual mapping of the flight paths for today in Trenton, Philadelphia, Newark, NYC and Long Island.

View Flight Paths For Thunderbirds, Blue Angels Flying Over NJ Tuesday

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At a cost of $60,000 per hour, I'm sure most frontline responders and healthcare workers would prefer PPE...at least that's what my Paramedic husband said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...lue-angels-thunderbirds-coronavirus-response/

 

[10ofRods]

Perhaps I'm confusing platelets with plasma. I know several of my friends and I gave twice a week and first donation we were paid $10. Second in the same week, we earned $15. It was quite a while ago. They took out blood and then spun it to separate out the red cells, which were then retuned to our vein in a solution. It was all right to do it twice a week.

The things college student will do for money, though I presume it was also helpful.

Well, it could have been plasma back then - the rules have definitely changed. They do send your blood through a machine with both platelets and plasma.

I used to sign up for clinical drug trials to make money. I don't remember most of them (one was a beta blocker) but when the trial was over, they sent the participants a brief statement of the findings. One of them was an earlier trial of xanax, but I was in the placebo group (sadly, ha). For the beta blocker test I had to wear a heart monitor for a few days. I think they paid me $25 for that one!

 

[Gardenista]

That is a really informative article. Especially this bit IMO.

"It is precisely what I have witnessed that now tells me that it’s time to ease the lockdown. Here’s why.

First, the wave has crested. At 1 p.m. April 7, the COVID-19 arrivals slowed down. It was a discrete, noticeable event. Stretchers became available by 5 p.m., and the number of arriving COVID-19 patients dropped below the number discharged, transferred or deceased.

This was striking, because the community I serve is poor. Some are homeless. Most work in “essential,” low-paying jobs, where distancing isn’t easy. Nevertheless, the wave passed over us, peaked and subsided. The way this transpired tells me the ebb and flow had more to do with the natural course of the outbreak than it did with the lockdown.

Second, I worry about non-coronavirus care. While the inpatient units remain busy with sick COVID-19 patients, our ER has been quiet for more than a week. We usually average 240 patients a day. For the last week, we averaged fewer than 100. That means our patients in this diverse, low-income community are afraid to come to the ER for non-COVID care.

Gotham-wide, the number of 911 ambulance runs declined to 3,320 on April 18, down from a peak of 6,527 on March 30, according to New York Fire Department data. The current nadir is significantly below the average."

Obviously much more info in your link but this is the bit that resonated with me.

Yes, there really was a ton of info in the article. The part about kids not getting vaccinated is super-concerning.