Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #52

[Reasonable & Just]

If people are working remotely in their offices, then they should just work remotely from home. Why go into work and risk transportation issues, etc. if they are only going to work to continue to work remotely from their offices?

I need to go in to get some files from my office in a few weeks, and we are staggering this process. Because we need to swipe our card to get into the building,
we can control the times that people go in to their offices, programming the card access. I still plan to wear a mask when I go in, even if no one else is there, due to an older building and a concern I have about the virus staying in the air for a few hours if others have been in the building.

We are doing something similar at our school, and I also wear a mask when there.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

Wow.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NYCMayor
My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period.

(Mods hope this copy paste is allowed. Please delete if necessary. Thanks)

I'm Jewish, and I completely agree with him. These people think they're different than the rest of us, just because they're Orthodox Jews. What they're doing is endangering lives, and they couldn't care less. I feel the same as I do about the Churches holding large services. The fact these Morons are Jewish is irrelevant to me. They're still Morons.

 

[Inthedetails]

I was chatting to a hospital consultant the other day who works on paediatric wards. They were all geared up for a big influx of young patients and cleared a whole ward ready for virus cases, but on the day I spoke to her there were only 3 kids in there. A few others had been released or were back on general wards already.

In her professional opinion it is not children who are the problem in terms of both treatment/resources and spread of the disease, and she said she'd have no issue with her own children going back to school in a few weeks.

I think they will phase them in and have different year groups go in on different days. There's no way you can plonk 300 excited kids back in a primary school and expect social distancing to work effectively!

Interesting! We are collectively learning so much as we go along.

My older sister was in the baby-boom in our town, when schools were so crowded they went to classes in shifts. She went to high school in the afternoon, while others went in the mornings - until new buildings were built. It can be done.

(By the time I came along, schools were closing and consolidating instead of opening - different times, different situations. People adapt.)

jmo

 

[cody22]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-aid-may-depend-on-sanctuary-city-policies-trump/

National Virus News....moo

 

[Inthedetails]

It's the high cost of being poor. We may see more pushback from society as more workers are forced back to their jobs in unsafe conditions, but many of those people are in low paying, low skill jobs, people who have few options and no perceived political voice.

BBM
Others can speak up for them. I'm not aiming that at you specifically but "us" collectively who are willing (and/or called) to do so.

jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think we all need to stand in front of nursing facilities, and the homes of old people, and wear coats that say, "I Really Don't Care, Do You?"

This is going to change the whole industry. Who is going to be happy about putting a loved one in one of these places? However, we will have to compare to the numbers of people of same age brackets dying at home as well. Even for the healthy ones, the lonliness just seems to be unbearable.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I have a pulse oximeter-- i have been short of breath for a few months: i had an echocardiogram in early Feb. which was fine and I had a Chest CT which showed nodules: i need to f/u and have another chest CT next month. The nodules were not particularly suspicious for cancer: if they were the radiologist would no doubt have recommended a PET scan. I will f/u with that test. My SOB does not affect anything I do- I can walk fast, do house work- hit golf balls; it is more like I feel like I have to take a breath: not all the time. Since I am in Florida my plan was(and remains) to get back to Michigan and see my docs there and go from there. My own assessment is that it is probably cardiac related since I am 75 and have high cholesterol: that is just a guess. However, since the pandemic, I have been very hesitant to go to doctors here in Florida ----My oxygen level is between 95 and 97--- I read that any reading between 95 and 100 is considered normal. I also read that docs are seeing people in the ER who don't even have SOB but when they evaluate the patient's oxygen, it is very low, to the surprise of the physicians. I just want to make sure my oxygen is not low.

I am just starting to do some research on "Oxidative Stress" (as mentioned in a few of the recent updates of this Dr. Suheult). I feel this is such important information as how the oxygen levels can get so low, even without the shortness of breath.
this is just the wikipedia link for definition...but there are many articles and youtubes that do explain this more....and Dr. Suheult says he is going to be bringing it up more and more.
Oxidative stress - Wikipedia

 

[musicaljoke]

BBM
Others can speak up for them. I'm not aiming that at you specifically but "us" collectively who are willing (and/or called) to do so.

jmo

Yes, we must!

 

[Inthedetails]

This is going to change the whole industry. Who is going to be happy about putting a loved one in one of these places? However, we will have to compare to the numbers of people of same age brackets dying at home as well. Even for the healthy ones, the lonliness just seems to be unbearable.

My FIL has a chronic illness and is at home with my MIL, which is a tremendous amount of work for her. He cannot do anything for himself. She basically could not leave home even before the virus because he needs constant care - even with a visiting nurse's help my MIL is essentially housebound.

Now with the virus, even family isn't visiting to protect them from the virus. She chose to have her husband home with her, but will all spouses be willing to turn into elder care givers (any more than all parents willing to turn into long-term homeschoolers)??

We have a lot of issues to address and figure out. Childcare and eldercare should be on the top of the list, imo (but haircuts and dining will likely get more attention, I suspect?). Women are likely to take on the tasks of childcare and eldercare, and I hope women are at the table when decisions are made.

jmo

 

[tresir2012]

This could be due to age-specific gene expression. Kind of like how 10-year olds don't have to shave

Yes maybe because they don't yet have any hormones. It has already been mentioned that giving oestrogen to male patients might help as more males seem to die of the virus.

 

[jjenny]

That children "just don't have the receptors to catch the disease"?
Hmm?

That makes no sense to me whatsoever. Children certainly have Ace 2 receptors (which is how the virus gets in).

 

[tresir2012]

Heyya DixieG
Can you post the link to Dr C's April 29th video.
He's talking about a new? Inflamatory syndrome in children.

ETA

Professor RUSSELL VINER says it's 'incredibly unlikely' there's a new Covid-19 strain targeting kids | Daily Mail Online

If it is the Kawasaki disease we did post some info yesterday. Pretty rare. I'll find and bump.

ETA I posted this Guardian link yesterday near the end of the last thread so here it is again.

At least 12 UK children have needed intensive care due to illness linked to Covid-19

"Most of the children affected have Kawasakidisease, a rare vascular condition that is the main cause of acquired heart disease in under-18s in the UK. There are estimated to be 4.5 cases for every 100,000 children under the age of 18 in the UK. “These cases happen when someone with Kawasaki disease gets Covid-19 and that produces complications,” said one NHS source."

More at link.

 

[jjenny]

I have no clue what these supposed experts are talking about. Children can get the disease, they just have less severe symptoms.
"Data from China suggest that pediatric coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) cases might be less severe than cases in adults and that children (persons aged <18 years) might experience different symptoms than adults."
Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Children — United States, February 12 ...

 

[jjenny]

Children can get infected, have been infected, some even died. It's also dangerous to infants.
"US infants had a much higher hospitalisation rate than any other child age group. Of 95 infants, 62 percent were hospitalized. The estimated rate for children aged 1 to 17 was 14 percent at most."
The Results Are in From The Largest Study on Kids And COVID-19 to Date

 

[jjenny]

Here is a story of a healthy child almost dying from covid.
""I died for two minutes," Juliet, of Louisiana, told "Good Morning America" in an exclusive interview about her unlikely health journey that began three weeks ago when she was airlifted to Ochsner Medical Center in New Orleans with heart failure."
12-year-old speaks out after beating COVID-19: 'I wanted for it all to stop'

 

[tresir2012]

Children can get infected, have been infected, some even died. It's also dangerous to infants.
"US infants had a much higher hospitalisation rate than any other child age group. Of 95 infants, 62 percent were hospitalized. The estimated rate for children aged 1 to 17 was 14 percent at most."
The Results Are in From The Largest Study on Kids And COVID-19 to Date

Maybe they can't pass it on though as was originally touted.

Just on UK news, a third of hospital admissions for CV19 have died and males are affected more than females.

Also new figures for UK deaths to include care home deaths are now 26k. Link to follow.

UK coronavirus deaths pass 26,000

 

[dixiegirl1035]

And rural communities might not have the heath-care infrastructure to handle a large outbreak. The virus isn't a big-city virus.

jmo

Yes, as was the first large outbreak in Southwest Georgia.

A lot of individuals are not aware of such information, and we need to take the time to educate those seeking out such to learn. Thank you for pointing that out.

Many rural communities don't even have a ventilator.

 

[jjenny]

Children can infect others.
"“This is the big issue,” says Roberts. “Many think that children are at low risk and we don’t need to worry about them, and yes, that is true for children who don’t have chronic medical conditions like immunodeficiencies. What people are forgetting is that children are probably one of the main routes by which this infection is going to spread throughout the community.”"
Why children are not immune to Covid-19

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I didn't get "acceptable losses" from the article. What I got was we need to look at this in a way that we protect the truly vulnerable because what we're doing right now isn't working. Jmo

There are over a hundred sixty countries I believe in the world that are going through this, can you point me to what is working?

 

[tresir2012]

Children can infect others.
"“This is the big issue,” says Roberts. “Many think that children are at low risk and we don’t need to worry about them, and yes, that is true for children who don’t have chronic medical conditions like immunodeficiencies. What people are forgetting is that children are probably one of the main routes by which this infection is going to spread throughout the community.”"
Why children are not immune to Covid-19

That's a month old though. New article out from today that I posted.