Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #52

[jjenny]

That's a month old though. New article out from today that I posted.

I don't believe the "new article" as it seems to contradict all of the previous information.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I saw his Update 61 earlier today. It is really important information, so am including it here (I am not sure if you posted this one, but am assuming so..but I missed it)
But this information regarding the physiology in the epithelium of the cells ,and reiterating what happens to the ACE-2---is making this much more of a cardiovascular issue than a lung issue.

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Yes, folks were thinking there was an H strain and an L strain due to what it did to the lungs and the cardiovascular. But it's now coming out that they think it's just a progression of the disease. Egads, did one city which is very famous have more of the progression because they were trying to all test out one drug at the time? Sitting on hands.

A lot of people think it's a very long time, that it has been over two months to figure it out.

But yet many many diseases they still haven't figured it out.

It just goes to show how much scientific efforts are going into this and it is going to be a plethora of conflicting information from scientists for the next few months in my opinion.

Mainstream media is going to hook onto every single pre peer-reviewed article and going to make a big deal out of it, and it's going to take some time m o o

 

[Tadpole12]

New Zealanders are so eager to eat burgers after the coronavirus lockdown that police are having to enforce crowd control - CNN

https://www.burgerfuel.com/nz

 

[tresir2012]

I don't believe the "new article" as it seems to contradict all of the previous information.

That's up to you. I am just posting MSM links which all the UK newspapers are covering also now
Here's another. PHE have to wait for Chief Medical Officer's comments. Will be interesting to see if he disagrees with the Swiss medical guy.

Yahoo is now a part of Verizon Media

 

[Trino]

Wow.




Mayor Bill de Blasio
@NYCMayor
·
13h

My message to the Jewish community, and all communities, is this simple: the time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups. This is about stopping this disease and saving lives. Period.

(Mods hope this copy paste is allowed. Please delete if necessary. Thanks)

Here's a MSM link that discusses it.

Mayor Bill de Blasio to NY Jews: 'Time for warnings has passed'

No different than Tony Spell in Louisiana.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Heyya DixieG
Can you post the link to Dr C's April 29th video.
He's talking about a new? Inflamatory syndrome in children.

ETA

Professor RUSSELL VINER says it's 'incredibly unlikely' there's a new Covid-19 strain targeting kids | Daily Mail Online

Did you find what you were looking for? If you go to one of his YouTube, click on it, and then click on videos, and you will see each and every one.

Let me know if you did not find it

 

[tresir2012]

No different than Tony Spell in Louisiana.

I think this was a funeral though not a regular Sunday congregation like Spell.

 

[jjenny]

More stats on children. Covid might be causing inflammatory disease in some children.
"In NYC, 273 children have been hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 cases. City officials believe seven have died from the coronavirus."
Doctors Fear Rare Illness Sickening NY Children May Be Linked to COVID-19: Source

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I have a pulse oximeter-- i have been short of breath for a few months: i had an echocardiogram in early Feb. which was fine and I had a Chest CT which showed nodules: i need to f/u and have another chest CT next month. The nodules were not particularly suspicious for cancer: if they were the radiologist would no doubt have recommended a PET scan. I will f/u with that test. My SOB does not affect anything I do- I can walk fast, do house work- hit golf balls; it is more like I feel like I have to take a breath: not all the time. Since I am in Florida my plan was(and remains) to get back to Michigan and see my docs there and go from there. My own assessment is that it is probably cardiac related since I am 75 and have high cholesterol: that is just a guess. However, since the pandemic, I have been very hesitant to go to doctors here in Florida ----My oxygen level is between 95 and 97--- I read that any reading between 95 and 100 is considered normal. I also read that docs are seeing people in the ER who don't even have SOB but when they evaluate the patient's oxygen, it is very low, to the surprise of the physicians. I just want to make sure my oxygen is not low.

Godspeed. I too, because of pre-existing condition, got a pulse oximeter and I now know my Baseline. And I actually know that it's sometimes of the day it is less than others. I also know it is very important for me to take my daily anti-allergy medicine.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

My FIL has a chronic illness and is at home with my MIL, which is a tremendous amount of work for her. He cannot do anything for himself. She basically could not leave home even before the virus because he needs constant care - even with a visiting nurse's help my MIL is essentially housebound.

Now with the virus, even family isn't visiting to protect them from the virus. She chose to have her husband home with her, but will all spouses be willing to turn into elder care givers (any more than all parents willing to turn into long-term homeschoolers)??

We have a lot of issues to address and figure out. Childcare and eldercare should be on the top of the list, imo (but haircuts and dining will likely get more attention, I suspect?). Women are likely to take on the tasks of childcare and eldercare, and I hope women are at the table when decisions are made.

jmo

Oh, i understand what your MIL is going through.. I had full time care of my husband before he passed a year ago, but at least I had friends over, and about 10 hours a week for aides to come to the house so I could do errands and get together with friends for a break now and then. I often think how hard it would be now... I feel for her..wish you could give her a hug for me! These eldercare workers are also so dreadfully underpaid. They are front line workers too. I just hope this does not get swept under the big bad rug when we are doing better with this dreadful situation. I think all care centers are going to have to incorporate "private sterile wards" into their overall architectural plan..

 

[Tadpole12]

More stats on children. Covid might be causing inflammatory disease in some children.
"In NYC, 273 children have been hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 cases. City officials believe seven have died from the coronavirus."
Doctors Fear Rare Illness Sickening NY Children May Be Linked to COVID-19: Source

Ty for all the links, jj

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This is a similar outcome with the hydroxychloroquine---"when used early". I think with this newer information (e.g. Dr. Suheult)... IF this covid has more dangerous implications for cardiovascular problems, blood clots etc., it really does emphasize that we absolutely need different drug protocols, for the different ways this deadly disease manifests itself.

Looking back, it really is amazing at the information that China gave to the entire world in that one report. Since then, not much has changed as to BASIC statistics, and or added on after three more months. Go figure. Those that require hospitalization, those percentages that require intensive care, and the percentage that are mild are still pretty much the same. That was just the basics they gave us within one month. And to this day, scientists all over the world are still fighting on what is the root cause, is it the epithelial throughout the body, including intravascular..which is now the new scientific Direction.

 

[jjenny]

"In less than 24 hours, Children's National Hospital in Washington, D.C., has admitted several children with COVID-19 who are also experiencing a constellation of symptoms that resemble "Kawasaki disease," a rare inflammatory syndrome typically affecting children under the age of 5."
Some children with COVID-19 are experiencing symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe they can't pass it on though as was originally touted.

Just on UK news, a third of hospital admissions for CV19 have died and males are affected more than females.

Also new figures for UK deaths to include care home deaths are now 26k. Link to follow.

UK coronavirus deaths pass 26,000

No one 'touted' that children can pass it on. Scientists don't "tout." I don't even think the Daily Mail departed from any main stream science.

Children get this disease, and anyone with the disease can transmit it for an unknown length of time, but generally for longer than the other coronaviruses or influenza viruses or other respiratory viruses. Children are more often asymptomatic but if a swab shows live virus - that person can transmit live virus regardless of symptoms. Here are some articles on children and CoVid (keep in mind that children do die of CV19, just in lower numbers and there's excellent research on why that might be so. Newborns and infants under 6 months are more vulnerable. Symptomatic children are more likely to have a very serious course.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30236-X/fulltext

Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Children — United States, February 12 ...

Sometimes, with some diseases, children produce more virion than adults (are more contagious) but that's not true for CoVid-19, as far as the research shows. There is possibly a new strain in children (in UK, where conditions are perfect for the appearance of new strains). This strain is causing much worse symptoms in kids age 5 and up. I believe it's a new strain, myself. I hope it doesn't go anywhere else but UK citizens travel more than any other nation (per capita).

Because testing for antibodies involves either a needle draw or a pinprick, that hasn't been done extensively in children. So we don't know the rates at which children may have passed this among themselves. Some studies show that in households where everyone tested positive and/or had symptoms of CoVid, that the adults got it at work, which is known through contact tracing and symptom timing.

It's too early to say just how much of a vector children may be, but it's very possible that their period of being contagious is much shorter than for a febrile adult. But the null hypothesis would be to assume that since children do get CoVid, sometimes show mild symptoms and certainly can have live virus in their nasal or bucal swabs...would be that yes, kids can pass it on. I pray it's for a brief period and I'm glad to know children are not higher in production of live virus. I also pray that the version of CoVid19 currently infecting children in UK does not spread further.

 

[10ofRods]

"In less than 24 hours, Children's National Hospital in Washington, D.C., has admitted several children with COVID-19 who are also experiencing a constellation of symptoms that resemble "Kawasaki disease," a rare inflammatory syndrome typically affecting children under the age of 5."
Some children with COVID-19 are experiencing symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease

Oh no. That's similar to what's happening in UK. This is so sad.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Interesting! We are collectively learning so much as we go along.

My older sister was in the baby-boom in our town, when schools were so crowded they went to classes in shifts. She went to high school in the afternoon, while others went in the mornings - until new buildings were built. It can be done.

(By the time I came along, schools were closing and consolidating instead of opening - different times, different situations. People adapt.)

jmo

I didn't know any differently. But when I was growing up, it was the same in 10/11/12th grades..

I was on what was called at that time was split sessions. The upper classes got out at 12:15. The lower grades went in pm. That way we could go to work at 12:30. It was fabulous! I earned income by working two jobs after school when I got off at 12:15 to help my family.

Actually, I think it's a fabulous idea. The only issue would be care for the younger children in 9th and 10th grades. When I was young, 9th and 10th graders were okay to be left alone. They were self-sufficient to get to school on their own.

That's so strange that you brought that up because it's so familiar to me. I'll have to think on this but that is a perfect solution as I think it worked when I was growing up. And it allowed us older kids to get a job when we were 15 and 16, although I'm not sure that that is allowed by law anymore?

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Yes, folks were thinking there was an H strain and an L strain due to what it did to the lungs and the cardiovascular. But it's now coming out that they think it's just a progression of the disease. Egads, did one city which is very famous have more of the progression because they were trying to all test out one drug at the time? Sitting on hands.

A lot of people think it's a very long time, that it has been over two months to figure it out.

But yet many many diseases they still haven't figured it out.

It just goes to show how much scientific efforts are going into this and it is going to be a plethora of conflicting information from scientists for the next few months in my opinion.

Mainstream media is going to hook onto every single pre peer-reviewed article and going to make a big deal out of it, and it's going to take some time m o o

BINGO. That's why I just don't pay too much attention right now, beyond passing curiosity. We are in such early days, science-wise, and most of the info will be contradictory until we understand more.

 

[Sundog]

Coronavirus infects North Carolina workers at pick-your-own strawberries farm, forcing closure

 

[10ofRods]

If it is the Kawasaki disease we did post some info yesterday. Pretty rare. I'll find and bump.

ETA I posted this Guardian link yesterday near the end of the last thread so here it is again.

At least 12 UK children have needed intensive care due to illness linked to Covid-19

"Most of the children affected have Kawasakidisease, a rare vascular condition that is the main cause of acquired heart disease in under-18s in the UK. There are estimated to be 4.5 cases for every 100,000 children under the age of 18 in the UK. “These cases happen when someone with Kawasaki disease gets Covid-19 and that produces complications,” said one NHS source."

More at link.

Yet, those children apparently did not have Kawasaki's prior to CoVid- just like the children at the Children's Hospital in Washington, D.C. It's Kawasaki-like symptoms (which of course involve inflammation of veins, just like CoVid). I think it's clear that CoVid challenges the immune system in children and expands the susceptibility to Kawasaki's.

Kawasaki's is probably an auto-immune disease and now the symptoms are expanding beyond the usual age group (under 5) according to UK data.

I think the NHS statement has it backwards, but that's not surprising - the NHS is in the heat of an almost impossible situation, with one of the highest per capita mortality rates from CoVid in the world. And still rising in UK. Scotland has about 1500 deaths, with a population of only 5.4 million (and still rising in linear fashion).

AFAIK, the NHS has nothing in pre-print status to support their statement.

 

[tresir2012]

No one 'touted' that children can pass it on. Scientists don't "tout." I don't even think the Daily Mail departed from any main stream science.

Children get this disease, and anyone with the disease can transmit it for an unknown length of time, but generally for longer than the other coronaviruses or influenza viruses or other respiratory viruses. Children are more often asymptomatic but if a swab shows live virus - that person can transmit live virus regardless of symptoms. Here are some articles on children and CoVid (keep in mind that children do die of CV19, just in lower numbers and there's excellent research on why that might be so. Newborns and infants under 6 months are more vulnerable. Symptomatic children are more likely to have a very serious course.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30236-X/fulltext

Coronavirus Disease 2019 in Children — United States, February 12 ...

Sometimes, with some diseases, children produce more virion than adults (are more contagious) but that's not true for CoVid-19, as far as the research shows. There is possibly a new strain in children (in UK, where conditions are perfect for the appearance of new strains). This strain is causing much worse symptoms in kids age 5 and up. I believe it's a new strain, myself. I hope it doesn't go anywhere else but UK citizens travel more than any other nation (per capita).

Because testing for antibodies involves either a needle draw or a pinprick, that hasn't been done extensively in children. So we don't know the rates at which children may have passed this among themselves. Some studies show that in households where everyone tested positive and/or had symptoms of CoVid, that the adults got it at work, which is known through contact tracing and symptom timing.

It's too early to say just how much of a vector children may be, but it's very possible that their period of being contagious is much shorter than for a febrile adult. But the null hypothesis would be to assume that since children do get CoVid, sometimes show mild symptoms and certainly can have live virus in their nasal or bucal swabs...would be that yes, kids can pass it on. I pray it's for a brief period and I'm glad to know children are not higher in production of live virus. I also pray that the version of CoVid19 currently infecting children in UK does not spread further.

For 6 weeks UK Grandparents have been told that they cannot see their grandkids. Now the Swiss head of infectious diseases says it's ok for Grandkids to hug grandparents so someone is touting the wrong info. Someone has got it wrong. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just posting what is being stated today. You say it's too early to say. Well it's not according to the Swiss apparently.